Trayvon Case Investigation

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Doesn't sound incriminating at all to me! It could mean that he is a human and has feelings too! I could be that he was truly saddened by the loss of this life. He will have to live with this for the rest of his life whether right or wrong, guilty or innocent. Sometimes I think that you just like to stir things up a little bit by repeating these claims when you yourself have said that we should wait for the trial to judge! Just sayin'!!! :hmm:
 
Zimmerman's version has not been factually proven either. With that, we look at how sound his judgment was in that situation and what was preventable.



well that doesn't sound good for Zimmerman's defense. To anybody, it shows he recklessly put himself in danger. Why? I don't know... perhaps a cop-wannabe mentality?

It really doesn't matter what his age was or whether he was armed or not if he (Zimmerman) was attacked like he said he was and feared for his life. Self defense is just what it implies! :cool2:
 
It really doesn't matter what his age was or whether he was armed or not if he (Zimmerman) was attacked like he said he was and feared for his life. Self defense is just what it implies! :cool2:
They said that the reason he added those two statements was because Martin's mother had asked those two specific questions. He was answering the mom's questions.
 
They said that the reason he added those two statements was because Martin's mother had asked those two specific questions. He was answering the mom's questions.

Good for him. I really can't stand the way that the MM is portraying this whole case. Makes me ill! :barf::barf:
 
That's pretty much what all prosecutors say and believe, yet they don't always get convictions.

Hence the word "prosecutor" ought to mean something. You don't see prosecutors go around and proclaim that the defendant is innocent of a charge.
 
Everything about this case from the way it has been handled by the MM to the racists is just wrong and sad. Hopefully it will end the right way and people will get over it without rioting and more killing.
 
Well, they sure as heck had strong proof not too long ago in a police video that GZ had no noticeable head injuries and some ADers were literally agog over that one and that GZ was lying about his reported injuries.
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That mean nothing to me as we do not know how that happen , We only have Zimmerman side of the story. Did you see him on TV today ? He apologize to Trayvon's parents and said he did not know he was a kid . I thought that was odd that Zimmerman did this before the trial as it made him look guilty. If he did nothing wrong way did he apologize?? A lawyer for 'Nightly News' thought the same thing as I did.
Didn't you read post #686? I bet you meant "WHY did he apologize??". So it already has been answered in Reba's post. TM's mom asked why he didn't apologize about TM's death so at the bond hearing he explained that he did but the police officers and his former lawyers didn't deliver his message to her. Pay attention carefully.
 
:ty: for proving my point.

In case you still don't understand, I'll point it out for you



I'll point it out again

I agree 100% that is what you said and sorry others mis-read your post.
Nevertheless you are wrong. Both sides have 100% the same standards and ethics.
As you said all the defense had to do is cast doubt and I agree with you.
However, as an example, suppose a defendant lies under oath; if the defense lawyer knows of this fact, eventhough the prosecutor does not, then the defense lawyer is obligated under the standards and ethics set for all lawyers to report this violation. Same with a prosecutor whom had a state witness lie under oath and the prosecutor, under the standards and ethics, is obligated to report the violation that the prosecutor is aware of.
 
:ty: for proving my point.

In case you still don't understand, I'll point it out for you

I'll point it out again

"Higher" modifies "standard and ethics." That's the way I read it, too.

Maybe that's not what you meant but that's how it came out.
 
That mean nothing to me as we do not know how that happen , We only have Zimmerman side of the story. Did you see him on TV today ? He apologize to Trayvon's parents and said he did not know he was a kid . I thought that was odd that Zimmerman did this before the trial as it made him look guilty. If he did nothing wrong way did he apologize?? A lawyer for 'Nightly News' thought the same thing as I did.
He never denied killing Martin. That's not the same as admitting to murder.
 
If he did nothing wrong way did he apologize?? A lawyer for 'Nightly News' thought the same thing as I did.

I have never said he did *nothing* wrong.
There is a vast open space between being guilty of murder and doing *nothing* wrong. Lawyers, of course, disagree, which is why they always tell their clients never to apologize.

I can think of a lot of reasons why he would apologize and still not be guilty of second degree murder.

I hope he sincerely meant it, and I hope that poor mother's heart is at least slightly eased by his apology.
 
:ty: for proving my point.

In case you still don't understand, I'll point it out for you



I'll point it out again

You do realize that in English the phrase "higher standard and ethics" means both higher standards and higher ethics, right? So you did say that the prosecutor has higher ethics than the defender. Maybe you didn't mean it, but it is what you said, and I can only discuss what you actually say, not what you meant to say but did not communicate.

The problem with your statement is that the prosecutor only has higher standards of proof to meet IN COURT. In statements made to the media, that does not apply.

Both prosecutor and defender have precisely the same standard of ethics, but their public statements are just that- public statements.

And so the prosecutor's statement to the media shouldn't have any influence on what anybody thinks. It's just a media statement, PR, publicity, politics- it is not a statement made under oath, in the courtroom, and it is not held to that standard.

Prosecutors often make statements in public that they would not and will not make in court. So do defenders.
 
Didn't you read post #686? I bet you meant "WHY did he apologize??". So it already has been answered in Reba's post. TM's mom asked why he didn't apologize about TM's death so at the bond hearing he explained that he did but the police officers and his former lawyers didn't deliver his message to her. Pay attention carefully.

I meant to say 'why' . That is not what said! I know what happen ! I said I am surprised Zimmerman apologize before he had a trial, if he did NOTHING wrong there would be NO reason to be sorry! I think by apologizing it made Zimmerman looks guilty ! No, you got it wrong , you're the one that NEED to pay attention!! Zimmerman was also told not to have any contact TM parents .
I think Zimmerman is trying to save his ass by apologizing. I do not feel sorry for Zimmerman , he did not follow orders from the cops when they told him not follow the kid. If he did Trayvon would still be live.
 
I meant to say 'why' . That is not what said! I know what happen ! I said I am surprised Zimmerman apologize before he had a trial, if he did NOTHING wrong there would be NO reason to be sorry! I think by apologizing it made Zimmerman looks guilty ! No, you got it wrong , you're the one that NEED to pay attention!! Zimmerman was also told not to have any contact TM parents .
I think Zimmerman is trying to save his ass by apologizing. I do not feel sorry for Zimmerman , he did not follow orders from the cops when they told him not follow the kid. If he did Trayvon would still be live.
HIs lawyer explained why: Read on.

O'Mara said after the hearing that his client was responding to an interview in which Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, said she wanted to hear from the man who shot her son.

"He didn't want to defend himself, he didn't want to discuss the facts of the case. He heard the request of the family, and he wanted to respond to it," O'Mara said, adding that an attempt to apologize to the family in private was rebuffed.
 
I meant to say 'why' . That is not what said! I know what happen ! I said I am surprised Zimmerman apologize before he had a trial, if he did NOTHING wrong there would be NO reason to be sorry! I think by apologizing it made Zimmerman looks guilty ! No, you got it wrong , you're the one that NEED to pay attention!! Zimmerman was also told not to have any contact TM parents .
I think Zimmerman is trying to save his ass by apologizing. I do not feel sorry for Zimmerman , he did not follow orders from the cops when they told him not follow the kid. If he did Trayvon would still be live.

Apparently you've never known a cop that shot someone on the job....or a member of the military for that matter. I can assure you they feel the same way. Even when perfectly justified most of them hate taking a life. In fact it often takes an incredible toll on them. I of course, am not saying Zimmerman was justified...we don't know yet... but it is perfectly believable that he would be apologetic even if he WAS justified.
 
OMG Where did I say that?? Stop trying to put words into my mouth!!
I'm not. I'm making a statement.

People say "I'm sorry" all the time for unintentional deaths and injuries. It doesn't mean that they're guilty of crimes.
 
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