Trayvon Case Investigation

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from rockin' robin's link - "Prosecutors have seen all evidence and still believe Zimmerman murdered Trayvon"

:Ohno:

Of course they say that. That's posturing. It's required. It doesn't mean they are right and it doesn't mean they can prove their case in court. That's about as meaningful as his defense lawyer saying he's seen all the evidence and still believes Zimmerman is innocent.

With ABC News’ release of the George Zimmerman photo showing blood flowing freely from his head, the question becomes whether Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the case, had access to the photo before charging Zimmerman with second-degree murder.

The arrest affidavit did not mention the photograph, or the bleeding, gashes, and bruises on Zimmermans’ head. Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School stated upon release of the arrest affidavit that it was “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

After the release of the photo, however, Dershowitz went much further, telling Breitbart News that if the prosecutors did have the photo and didn’t mention it in the affidavit, that would constitute a “grave ethical violation,” since affidavits are supposed to contain “all relevant information.”

Dershowitz continued, “An affidavit that willfully misstates undisputed evidence known to the prosecution is not only unethical but borders on perjury because an affiant swears to tell not only the truth, but the whole truth, and suppressing an important part of the whole truth is a lie."

When asked if it made a difference whether the prosecution had the bloody photograph at the time they charged Zimmerman, Dershowitz responded, “We do know that there were earlier photographs before the affidavit was done that strongly suggested blood on the back of the head, and we know the police had first access to him, so if there was blood they [the prosecution] would know about it …

"I've had cases in Florida against prosecutors,” Dershowitz said, “and this is not the first time they have willfully omitted exculpatory evidence. It's a continuing problem. Here, it’s not only immoral, but stupid. The whole country is watching. What do they benefit from having half-truths in an affidavit?"

Dershowitz added, "I'm not taking sides, but I'm insisting that both sides play by the rules, and so far the prosecution is not playing by the rules."

Dershowitz Blasts Zimmerman Prosecution: 'Not Only Immoral, But Stupid'

I don't know if Dershowitz is right. The point is that what the prosecution says to the media is not evidence of the solidity of their case. No need for the nail biting and, er, hyperventilating.
 
I heard that Zimmerman had gotten out of his car to get the address of the building where he was in order to give more information to the dispatcher. He said he was on his way back to his car when he was attacked by Martin.

Apparently your sources and my sources aren't saying the same things.

Maybe at the trial we'll hear all versions of what happened.

He already gave sufficient information to dispatcher - something about clubhouse. and then he said "he ran"

and then he was pursing him after saying "those assholes.. they always get away"...
 
Of course they say that. That's posturing. It's required. It doesn't mean they are right and it doesn't mean they can prove their case in court. That's about as meaningful as his defense lawyer saying he's seen all the evidence and still believes Zimmerman is innocent.

Dershowitz Blasts Zimmerman Prosecution: 'Not Only Immoral, But Stupid'

I don't know if Dershowitz is right. The point is that what the prosecution says to the media is not evidence of the solidity of their case. No need for the nail biting and, er, hyperventilating.

the difference between prosecutor and defense lawyer is that prosecutor has higher standard and ethics than defense lawyer. All defense lawyer has to do is cast a doubt.

Prosecutor wouldn't prosecute Zimmerman if he's clearly within his rights as par Stand Your Ground law.
 
Zimmerman apologizes as judge sets $150,000 bond - CNN.com
Zimmerman spoke moments before a Florida judge set a $150,000 bond that will let him get out of jail while he awaits trial.

"I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son," Zimmerman said in an unusual appeal directly to Martin's family before he testified. "I thought he was a little bit younger than I was, and I did not know if he was armed or not."

that sounds rather incriminating...
 
He already gave sufficient information to dispatcher - something about clubhouse. and then he said "he ran"

and then he was pursing him after saying "those assholes.. they always get away"...

that's jumping to quite a few conclusions which are not factually proven.
 
that's jumping to quite a few conclusions which are not factually proven.

Zimmerman's version has not been factually proven either. With that, we look at how sound his judgment was in that situation and what was preventable.

"I thought he was a little bit younger than I was, and I did not know if he was armed or not."

well that doesn't sound good for Zimmerman's defense. To anybody, it shows he recklessly put himself in danger. Why? I don't know... perhaps a cop-wannabe mentality?
 
I'm not interested in all prosecutors from all over. This specific prosecutor is serious business and has high conviction rate.

According to my friend who is an attorney in FL..... Corey has roughly 25% of her convictions overturned. I haven't found a link but I consider this guy credible.
 
the difference between prosecutor and defense lawyer is that prosecutor has higher standard and ethics than defense lawyer. All defense lawyer has to do is cast a doubt.

Prosecutor wouldn't prosecute Zimmerman if he's clearly within his rights as par Stand Your Ground law.

You mean "has the burden of proof" right? Not higher standard of ethics...
 
Zimmerman's version has not been factually proven either. With that, we look at how sound his judgment was in that situation and what was preventable.

the difference being that I am not acting like it is. I don't quote his version as thought it was a fact. It's merely evidence that there is more than one version and none of them has been proven and neither you nor I can possibly know which is which at this point.

but you keep quoting media versions as though they were the settled fact, when they are not.



well that doesn't sound good for Zimmerman's defense. To anybody, it shows he recklessly put himself in danger. Why? I don't know... perhaps a cop-wannabe mentality?

No, it doesn't show to 'anybody' that he recklessly put himself in danger.
It apparently shows that to you. Not to everybody.
 
According to my friend who is an attorney in FL..... Corey has roughly 25% of her convictions overturned. I haven't found a link but I consider this guy credible.

interesting. I wonder how many cases is 25%. It should be a public record so I guess I'll see what I can dig up but not likely since I don't have access to full legal database. My friend's too busy to help me.
 
the difference being that I am not acting like it is. I don't quote his version as thought it was a fact. It's merely evidence that there is more than one version and none of them has been proven and neither you nor I can possibly know which is which at this point.

but you keep quoting media versions as though they were the settled fact, when they are not.
fact? media version? where?

No, it doesn't show to 'anybody' that he recklessly put himself in danger.
It apparently shows that to you. Not to everybody.
I'm not allowed to have an opinion on it?
 
:ty: for proving my point.

In case you still don't understand, I'll point it out for you



I'll point it out again

That is actually worse.... oh well. That's off topic so nevermind.
 
'I'm sorry for the loss of your son': Zimmerman offered $150,000 bail after he apologizes face-to-face in court to Trayvon Martin's parents for killing their son - as picture emerges revealing bloodied head
Trayvon Martin case: George Zimmerman offered $150k bail after he apologizes to victim's parents | Mail Online

Florida judge sets George Zimmerman bail at $150,000
BBC News - Florida judge sets George Zimmerman bail at $150,000

George Zimmerman apologises to Trayvon Martin's parents
George Zimmerman apologises to Trayvon Martin's parents - Telegraph

Trayvon Gunman Granted Bail After Apology
Trayvon Martin Shooting: George Zimmerman Granted Bail Over Killing | World News | Sky News

article says he assault police officers
 
I believe that he's sorry about what happened. So many lives changed in just one moment.
 
from rockin' robin's link - "Prosecutors have seen all evidence and still believe Zimmerman murdered Trayvon"

:Ohno:

For now that is only the prosecutors and not the jury! His defense attorney thinks he's innocent! :nana:
 
He already gave sufficient information to dispatcher - something about clubhouse. and then he said "he ran"

and then he was pursing him after saying "those assholes.. they always get away"...

You don't know that and neither do I! Only time, testimony and evidence will tell.
 
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the difference between prosecutor and defense lawyer is that prosecutor has higher standard and ethics than defense lawyer. All defense lawyer has to do is cast a doubt.

Prosecutor wouldn't prosecute Zimmerman if he's clearly within his rights as par Stand Your Ground law.

That is not always correct either. A prosecutor can be trying a high profile case to boost their ratings and possibly get re-elected or put a feather in their cap for a bigger promotion down the road to say judge! A really good defense attorney knows the law better than many prosecuting attorneys.
 
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