Tipping System

[Liebling:-)))]

It really doesn't matter who agrees, or which system is "better".

Is it wrong to share cons and pros with agree to disagree about tipping system etc about our countries here? If you don´t like then don´t post.

The point is, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. That is, when people dine out in Europe, they should follow the European customs and just leave "change" tips. When people dine out in the United States, they should follow the American custom and leave at least a 15% tip. It doesn't matter if you or I (or anyone at AD) thinks it's "right" or "wrong", "better" or "worse", or "I do it MY way". Whatever the custom is for that country, that's what should be followed, like it or lump it.

I see nothing wrong if anyone including me debate with agree to disagree here? What is debate topic for? See the links, they are also debated with agree to disagree, too... because we need to open our mind to see the sense about cons and pros.

For your information, I´m traveller. I has no problem to respect every culture where I visit to and get on well with people from other countries.

I guess if a person doesn't like the way things are done in another country, then he/she should stay home.

Ugh? Your post make no sense to me... *shake my head*

 

[Liebling:-)))]

A question for you Liebling.

Hypothecially, (since I know you wont, as you say you never would) you went to an expensive restaurant in Germany. The restaurant's menu says that a service charge is added to the bill, and will be 15 percent.

I have no problem to answer your hypothecial question but I only want to tell you that there´re no additional service charge here in Germany... Service charge is alway include in every meals.

I think we should talk example about Italy where there´re additional charge service.

Your bill comes to about €200, for example. 15% of €200 was the service charge, which is €30 for the service charge. In effect, you paid more than just your food, but to the restaurant, to the waiter, etc.. Right?

Yes.

I fully understand that a service charge is "different," but my point is that some of that service charge still goes to the waiter in addition to the Trinkgeld. Some of that service charge might pay for the waiter's higher salary.

Additional service charge go to owner, not waiter because the owner already fixed waiter´s decent wages which mean is everything including. No matter how many customer they have a day. Perhaps 100 customers a day then next day 60 customers and then next day 10 customers.. but wages, the owner pay stay the same.

According to this link, in Utah, the minimum wage for a waiter receiving tips is $2.13 an hour.
Utah Human Resources State Council - Article Feature

Interesting, I can see that every states are different how and what they did with waiter/waitress in their resturant.

 

[Reba]

Do you think that I pay $100 for that meal? I never spend $100 like that in my life... Greek, Italian or German resturant cost us (4 person) between €40 and €50. $100 plus $20? No Way...

Please re-read my previous post that I do not want to go expensive resturant. I limit $5 and follow the list of % where webexplor provided for us which good to aviod any ambarrassment.

It might be hard for you to go to a nice restaurant in the US and feed four people dinner for only $50 (that equals 40 Euros). But if you do, a $50 meal requires a $7.50-10.00 tip. A $5 tip is just 10%, and that's a low tip meaning you aren't satisfied with the service.

If you go to a regular restaurant and don't include alcohol, salad, soup, appetizer or dessert, you can probably keep the cost down to less than $15 per person. That would total $60 for four people, and the tip would be only $9-12.

If you go to an all-you-can-eat buffet, or a Subway, or a cafeteria, or a salad bar, you can get a meal and a drink (tea or soda) for under $10 each, and you don't need to tip. Or you can go to fast food restaurants for that price, and you don't need to tip them. Also, if you go for lunch instead of dinner it's usually cheaper.

If you limit yourself to a $5 tip, just be careful not to order anything that costs more than $35 total. That means, if you get a meal for four people, the meal and drink total should be less than $8.75 per person.

I hope this helps.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It depends on how much your meal cost in America. It's a percentage.

A $5 tip is good for a meal that cost $25-35.

A $20 tip is good for a meal that cost $100-135.

How much was your meal?

Yes I aware it... I have seen from webexplorer´s list of tipping...

I don´t know how much meal per person in America... as what you said that $5 is right tipping for between $25 and $35. Do you mean that $25 to $35 per person?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It might be hard for you to go to a nice restaurant in the US and feed four people dinner for only $50 (that equals 40 Euros). But if you do, a $50 meal requires a $7.50-10.00 tip. A $5 tip is just 10%, and that's a low tip meaning you aren't satisfied with the service.

If you go to a regular restaurant and don't include alcohol, salad, soup, appetizer or dessert, you can probably keep the cost down to less than $15 per person. That would total $60 for four people, and the tip would be only $9-12.

If you go to an all-you-can-eat buffet, or a Subway, or a cafeteria, or a salad bar, you can get a meal and a drink (tea or soda) for under $10 each, and you don't need to tip. Or you can go to fast food restaurants for that price, and you don't need to tip them. Also, if you go for lunch instead of dinner it's usually cheaper.

If you limit yourself to a $5 tip, just be careful not to order anything that costs more than $35 total. That means, if you get a meal for four people, the meal and drink total should be less than $8.75 per person.

I hope this helps.

Yes your post helps... I appreciate it very much.

I never touch America in my life... I will know more when I see any resturants when I visit America next year. It´s our habit to go good resturants here in Germany.

Buffet and Salad bar sound good... mmmhhh

Yes I can understand and will make sure it should be less than $35.00 to aviod ambarrassment... We don´t eat 3 or 4 gangs. I feel my friend´s pain when I told them that $1.??? is not enough... I will print webexplore´s list of tipping and pass it to them.

 

[Reba]

Ugh? Your post make no sense to me... *shake my head*

We can debate the pros and cons of tipping versus service charges without making value judgments. Different systems work better for different cultures and economic systems. That doesn't necessarily mean one way is "good" or that the other way is "bad."

 

[Reba]

... We don´t eat 3 or 4 gangs....

What does that mean?

 

[Kuifje75]

What does that mean?

She means refills or seconds.

 

[Kuifje75]

Reba is right, you will have a hard time to find a good restaurant for cheap here in the US. If you go to McDonald's, it can cost about 5 to 8 dollars per person, or 20 to 32 dollars for 4 persons.

If you go to a nice all you can eat buffet, it usually costs 10 dollars per person, so it will be 40$ for a group of 4 persons, but no tips because you serve yourself.

If you go to a middle-priced restaurant such as Outback (Australian Steakhouse), TGIF, Chilis, Applebees, Uno, etc... and also drink a glass of wine with your meal, it would probably cost you about 15$ to 20$ for the meal per person. A group of four persons would cost about 60 to 80 dollars. Then on top of that, you give a tip of $12 to $14, totalling it to $72 to $94 for the meal alone.

So, if you really want to avoid yourself the pleasure of fine restaurants in America because you don't want to pay the tip, then you will be very limited with your choices in the US, probably to terrible fast-food restaurants.

 

[WhisperHorse]

Interesting, I would NEVER afford to have a plate of food per $50. $23 per hour wow... I can understand that it´s for rich people who can afford.

Either me, I cant afford that price for food in a plate... Unless, very speical then maybe? Of course, that's right. Rich People are lucky but same time, wow you know...

10% tips back to boss...? I have a question for you... perhap you can ask your Uncle... I know my question sound odd but how do boss know how many tips waiter/waitress collect from their customers then pay 10% of total tips back to their boss?

Boss and waiter/waitress count how much tip they have together then, mostly of time they will give boss 25 dollars, depends on waiter/waitress feels.... Or depends on Boss tell them how much, I'm not sure. I can ask my uncle about that.

 

[webexplorer]

Excuse me, I never heard of paying a waitress by the hour in a restaurant. No way - I think you are mistaken. If it is true, then I am really sure that it will go out of business in a short time!

I think that it would be a good idea to go inside at someone's house that you don't know and just eat their food for free. Just kidding!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What does that mean?

Sorry, it´s my habit to type "3 gang" into German... Sorry to confuse you with German language.

3-Gang Menü = 3-course meal (British language) What K75 said "refills or seconds" could be American language...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

We can debate the pros and cons of tipping versus service charges without making value judgments. Different systems work better for different cultures and economic systems. That doesn't necessarily mean one way is "good" or that the other way is "bad."

Yes, I aware it... It´s normal when we made judgement sometimes when we debated the pros and cons with agree to disagree... You know that because you did in other threads. It´s normal when you are shock after saw total different culture in different countries which you don´t agree/don´t like... example alcohol, abortion, school, polities, etc. etc. I´m shock the same about waitress´s low wage and share tips to others etc. It´s normal when I express my feel for them or shock impression and disagree or don´t like or feel sorry for them.. etc.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Reba is right, you will have a hard time to find a good restaurant for cheap here in the US. If you go to McDonald's, it can cost about 5 to 8 dollars per person, or 20 to 32 dollars for 4 persons.

If you go to a nice all you can eat buffet, it usually costs 10 dollars per person, so it will be 40$ for a group of 4 persons, but no tips because you serve yourself.

If you go to a middle-priced restaurant such as Outback (Australian Steakhouse), TGIF, Chilis, Applebees, Uno, etc... and also drink a glass of wine with your meal, it would probably cost you about 15$ to 20$ for the meal per person. A group of four persons would cost about 60 to 80 dollars. Then on top of that, you give a tip of $12 to $14, totalling it to $72 to $94 for the meal alone.

So, if you really want to avoid yourself the pleasure of fine restaurants in America because you don't want to pay the tip, then you will be very limited with your choices in the US, probably to terrible fast-food restaurants.

Yes I do beleive you and understand what you mean that it´s hard to limit with my choice if I want to visit good resturant. It´s stress to limit the tipping if I want to pick good resturant... Oh Well...

McDonald?

I see why not to try buffet and salad bar because we don´t have like this here in Germany. (For hotels yes, not resturants). I have to ask you question again... As what you say that there´re no tipping in buffet & salad bar because I serve myself... Okay, but what about plate, cup and forks, spoons, knife? Is it including in fix price? If yes, what they use the word to including the fix price in the bill when there´re no service charge including written?

I don´t mind to try good resturant to see what it alike before I leave for Germany. I aware about tipping system... mmmmhhhh

 

[Reba]

McDonald?

I agree. I never eat at McDonalds, even when travelling.

I see why not to try buffet and salad bar because we don´t have like this here in Germany.

Yes, you can get a lot of food at a buffet. Most of them are all-you-can-eat. That means, you can go back, again and again, to get more food.

The "Chinese" buffets are very good, and offer a large variety of foods for a very cheap price.

... Okay, but what about plate, cup and forks, spoons, knife? Is it including in fix price?

They are all included in the price. That also includes condiments, napkins, high chairs and booster seats for kids, and drink refills. There is no extra service charge. Each time you go to the buffet table to get more food, you also get a clean plate or bowl.

I don´t mind to try good resturant to see what it alike before I leave for Germany. I aware about tipping system... mmmmhhhh

If you want cheaper prices at a good restaurant, try to go for lunch instead of dinner. Some restaurants have "early bird" specials for early dinner times, like before 6 p.m. Those are usually cheaper prices.

If you don't like long waits or crowds, go early or don't go on Friday and Saturday nights.

 

[Opal]

Waitress Arrested For Credit Card Fraud - Complained That Deaf Don't Tip

Received it in my email for you all to read below -

WAITRESS ARRESTED FOR CREDIT CARD FRAUD, COMPLAINED THAT DEAF DON'T TIP


Washington, DC. Police have taken into custody a former waitress at G&G II Italian restaurant, she will be charged with credit card fraud, a felony, after receiving several complaints from Gallaudet students for unauthorized charges on their account. In the intake court hearing, the waitress complained to the judge that Gallaudet students who frequented her restaurant never leave a tip, and that she is struggling to make ends meet as a single mother of two. "These Deaf students are able to afford a $30 meal, if only they can put down $3, just 10%, that will be enough, but often my children goes to school hungry." The waitress was released on bail, and ordered to pay an restitution to all those affected. Washington Post investigators noted that the waitress always add the tip to the credit card without the student knowledge, this was able to go on quite awhile as students often don't bother to check the receipts they signed. The judge ordered that postings be put up on the Gallaudet campus, notifying them that anyone who was a victim of the crime, to send a copy of the credit bill to the court within 30 days. The waitress made a plea bargaining that she will reimburse the students 23%, 15% as normal tip, 8% as punitive compensation, plus 42 cents postage (new rate). It ain't much but it can be significant for those who frequented the establishment. The judge took this step in an effort to avoid having them file a class-action lawsuit, which will be a burden on the already backlogged court system. University officials are planning to add "tipping" workshops in their orientation program for incoming Freshmen in the fall.

 

[DVDFreaker]

Received it in my email for you all to read below -

WAITRESS ARRESTED FOR CREDIT CARD FRAUD, COMPLAINED THAT DEAF DON'T TIP


Washington, DC. Police have taken into custody a former waitress at G&G II Italian restaurant, she will be charged with credit card fraud, a felony, after receiving several complaints from Gallaudet students for unauthorized charges on their account. In the intake court hearing, the waitress complained to the judge that Gallaudet students who frequented her restaurant never leave a tip, and that she is struggling to make ends meet as a single mother of two. "These Deaf students are able to afford a $30 meal, if only they can put down $3, just 10%, that will be enough, but often my children goes to school hungry." The waitress was released on bail, and ordered to pay an restitution to all those affected. Washington Post investigators noted that the waitress always add the tip to the credit card without the student knowledge, this was able to go on quite awhile as students often don't bother to check the receipts they signed. The judge ordered that postings be put up on the Gallaudet campus, notifying them that anyone who was a victim of the crime, to send a copy of the credit bill to the court within 30 days. The waitress made a plea bargaining that she will reimburse the students 23%, 15% as normal tip, 8% as punitive compensation, plus 42 cents postage (new rate). It ain't much but it can be significant for those who frequented the establishment. The judge took this step in an effort to avoid having them file a class-action lawsuit, which will be a burden on the already backlogged court system. University officials are planning to add "tipping" workshops in their orientation program for incoming Freshmen in the fall.

She needs to get another job

 

[DVDFreaker]

I forgot to add one more thing, I never tip to waitress, I just feel that they have a paycheck that they earned and they don't need my tip, that is just my opinion, the only thing I tip is strippers

 

[Banjo]

I forgot to add one more thing, I never tip to waitress, I just feel that they have a paycheck that they earned and they don't need my tip, that is just my opinion, the only thing I tip is strippers

You are obviously ignorant to the fact that most servers work for below the minimum wage. They need the tips to make the ends meet. Thank you for proving the waitress right.

 

[DVDFreaker]

You are obviously ignorant to the fact that most servers work for below the minimum wage. They need the tips to make the ends meet. Thank you for proving the waitress right.

It isn't hard to find another job dude and plus, if she doesnt' like it, she can quit and find another job or work 2 jobs, she doesn't really need my tip but if she really really needs it, I'll give her a penny, that's better than no tip