This woman hears worse in some aspects with CI over HA.

By the way, I appreciate ecp correcting me because I always forget which frequencies are located on what part of the cochlea. For whatever reason, I always seem to reverse them.
 
Do you have information that shows that audiologists receive compensation for cochlear implants?

This is a case that came about in 2004.

Class Action Lawsuit Against Cochlear and ASHA Audiologists
From: ORM - Jul 28, 2004

In light of the current criminal probe by the US Department of Justice, Otologic Reimbursement Management is again pursuing a class action lawsuit sponsored by a national law firm. The class action for common law fraud will be against Cochlear Americas and those audiologists accepting kickbacks or other illegal inducements from Cochlear--illegal schemes that have kept the price of cochlear implants artifically high and limited their availability to large, urban centers.

The class action will provide financial compensation directly to patients and not to ORM or any individual. It is meant to benefit those of you who have been so harmed by the anti-competitive practices of one company.

While we do not anticipate moving forward until 2005, we are interested in pooling together possible participants at this time. In particular we are seeking cochlear implant users who have been (1) unable to receive their choice of device brand, (2) unable to have their processor programmed at the center of their choosing, (3) used Cochlear's dummy billing service Otologic Management Services, or belonged to a center that did so, or (4) had any device component repaired by Cochlear (whether or not through a service contract) and paid by a Federal or state health plan.

In fall 2000, we received many responses from interested patients to a class action by Duane Morris, a Washington, DC law firm. However, ORM's relationship to the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA) and Duane Morris' representation of certain cochlear implant centers prevented us from going forward at that time. ORM is now working with a new law firm without such conflicts, and likewise no longer has any conflicting relationship with ASHA.

The lawsuit was initially intended to include only Cochlear Americas. However, illegal efforts by ASHA executives Arlene Pietranton and Steven White to block the class action, including denying the existence of Cochlear kickbacks and inducements during their sworn interrogations, have resulted in the inclusion. To the extent possible, we will attempt to include only ASHA member audiologists with unlawful financial relationships to Cochlear, and not those belonging solely to the American Academy of Audiology (AAA), as AAA has thus far stayed above such conduct.

If you are a cochlear implant candidate or user who may potentially meet the criteria and are interested in participating,or if you simply have questions, please contact us as shown below. As with earlier responses, we assure complete confidentiality of any communications with prospective participants, as attorney-client privilege is invoked in our passing such information onto the law firm.

While we may not have a final decision for you until early next year, it will help us to assess the number of potential candidates at this time. Formal announcements or updates will not be posted on our website until a final decisions are made.

News - Class Action Lawsuit Against Cochlear and ASHA Audiologists
 

When those consultants came to our school raving about CIs and all other biased shit, all I could think was how huge their paychecks must be and how they probably earn more than the teachers who spend countless hours working with deaf children. I didn't trust one word out of their mouths. Now, I see this, all I can is just shake at my heads at these shameless audiologists.
 
Good job, Byrdie!:wave:

Thanks Jillio! :)

When those consultants came to our school raving about CIs and all other biased shit, all I could think was how huge their paychecks must be and how they probably earn more than the teachers who spend countless hours working with deaf children. I didn't trust one word out of their mouths. Now, I see this, all I can is just shake at my heads at these shameless audiologists.

I would've asked the audiologists if they have one. :lol:
 
When those consultants came to our school raving about CIs and all other biased shit, all I could think was how huge their paychecks must be and how they probably earn more than the teachers who spend countless hours working with deaf children. I didn't trust one word out of their mouths. Now, I see this, all I can is just shake at my heads at these shameless audiologists.


Glad to see you are still maintaining your self proclaimed neutral position on cochlear implants for children.
 
If you read it closely there is no actual class action but they anticipated going forward perhaps in 2005. If you dig a little further, you might find the relationship formerly between OMG and Cochlear Corp of interest.

Remember the old adage: There are three sides to every story-my side, your side and the truth!

Doesn't matter.

It still shows that the audiologists are getting "kick-backs".
 
Doesn't matter.

It still shows that the audiologists are getting "kick-backs".

It "shows" or proves nothing. They are merely allegations. Proof is a ruling on the merits and proof still matters to some of us.
 
Actually one manufacture is able to reach most of the apex.

Complete Cochlear Coverage

There are a few CI users here that can hear quite a bit of the low bass. I am not missing anything in the bass as far I am concerned with my CI.

I am not bitter with all the hearing aids I had to buy in the last 48 years. However there has been some headway in some states to get insurance coverage for kids.

How? It only look like it cover 1 and 2/3-ish turns cochlea have 2 and half turns
I'm missing some of the bass and lowest part of the frequency which affected me to not enjoying heavy metal, bassy music anymore. Also even if it does cover all way to the end of the end (apex) it only have 12 electrodes. I'm not going to get my other ear implanted until they come out with 25+ complete to the end coverage I don't care about damaging residual hearing, just stick it all way there doc
Deafdude: that's ONLY thing I don't like about my current implant. Heavy bassy music sucked. That's it I'm not trying to cover it up make it all wonderful and crap cuz of how expensive it is and that my residual hearing's gone. No I'm stating the hard cold truth that its amazing in all other way like speech sound clarity's literally 10+ times better than hearing aid even with moderate loss. (I've had moderate loss of 50, 5 db more from it being mild for first 17 years of my life, 21 now) I'm not kidding. Just stop with constant post about how ci's bad or whatever and that ha's better if they have more gains (which is not true but you won't understand it until you get ci but you'll never will because you aren't getting it so), we get the idea that you don't agree with implantation we get it, just stop please and move on, change subject, talk about what's your name, are you male or female, what's your hobby, and all something else please. I'm and I'm sure all other's are tired of it we're done trying to explain, its like trying to describing completely blind from birth colors you won't understand it until you see it. You only grew up knowing what things sound thru ha, you never knew what normal hearing sound like, let alone a ci, don't try saying like you knew what its like its like blind person saying that colors are crap and waste of an sense when you can feel things and determine the "color" you have no idea that there's more to it.

(Btw hear again, if any of it's offensive to you, I apologize in advance I'm just trying to make the point by comparing it)
 
It "shows" or proves nothing. They are merely allegations. Proof is a ruling on the merits and proof still matters to some of us.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

The bolded is the funniest thing I have seen posted on here recently, given that it seems to matter very little to you.
 
It would seem to me that it would be common sense to think that someone gets compensated for marketing of the Cochlear implant. Having said that, I don't know that it should matter *that much* to the average lay person. However, I do tend to agree that CIs are marketed hard and are targetted to specific groups of people (IE, children, ect...) Is this necessarily wrong? No. But, to stick one's head in the sand and say that there are no kickbacks or hardcore marketing is ludicrous, because there is!
 
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I don't see anything wrong with it either. If drugs companies are giving my Dad who was a practicing M.D. for many years free samples and pens with their logo on them then it's likely coachler implant companies are doing the same thing for audiologists. Like O.B. says, it's absurd to deny this is happening.
 
SkullChick

Sorry that the information about the Med-El's long Electrode is not clear for you. The standard cochlea length is about 35 mm and the MED-EL electrode is about 31.5 mm. I see about a bit more of two turns possible with this array. However this implant was not a option for me and since my cochlea's were small to begin with. My Cochlear implant went deeper in order for me to get a full insertion of the array to my advantage. This does not happen to everyone and I enjoy organ music. choir and classical music as well.
http://www.medel.com/US/img/download/20872_CompCochCov.pdf
 
I don't see anything wrong with it either. If drugs companies are giving my Dad who was a practicing M.D. for many years free samples and pens with their logo on them then it's likely coachler implant companies are doing the same thing for audiologists. Like O.B. says, it's absurd to deny this is happening.

Exactly. It's called business, and it goes on constantly. Right or wrong isn't the issue. Denying that it happens, however, shows just how blind some are.
 
It "shows" or proves nothing. They are merely allegations. Proof is a ruling on the merits and proof still matters to some of us.

There is always some basis of truth in "allegations". Secondly--it's still ongoing.......
 
I don't see anything wrong with it either. If drugs companies are giving my Dad who was a practicing M.D. for many years free samples and pens with their logo on them then it's likely coachler implant companies are doing the same thing for audiologists. Like O.B. says, it's absurd to deny this is happening.

Exactly, Deafskeptic. Drug companies are also notorious for their marketing schemes.
 
Exactly. It's called business, and it goes on constantly. Right or wrong isn't the issue. Denying that it happens, however, shows just how blind some are.

More to the point, so insecure that they think the implant companies need defense.
 
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