This woman hears worse in some aspects with CI over HA.

jillio said:
Because, in effect, they could be sued for malpractice for recommending a CI for a conductive loss. Conductive loss is remediated differently. It would be like recommending chemotherapy for a cold.
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So... when they recommend a CI, they are greedy.
When they don't recommend a CI, they just don't want to get sued.
I see.
 
Daredevel7 said:
So... when they recommend a CI, they are greedy.
When they don't recommend a CI, they just don't want to get sued.
I see.
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You are twisting my words to suit your agenda. That is not what I am saying at all.
 
jillio said:
You are twisting my words to suit your agenda. That is not what I am saying at all.
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It's not just you, but there's SO many attacks towards the audiologists "pushing" for the CI. Frankly, I'm sick of it for a number of reasons:
1) Every product is monetary driven. What makes the audiologists so special?
2) It implies that people get the CIs just because the audiologists say so.
3) We all are constantly pushed by people everyday in our lives. For every audiologist who recommends a CI, there's a person who says "Dont do it, it's dangerous and not worth it". Both are "pushes" to me.
 
Daredevel7 said:
So... when they recommend a CI, they are greedy.
When they don't recommend a CI, they just don't want to get sued.
I see.
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Conductive losses are different than sensorinal losses...I took a few grad level audiology classes and those who have conductive losses do not qualify for a CI.
 
Deafteen90 said:
I thought a person with a conductive loss had to have BAHA not CI
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You are correct, Deafteen.

I heard from Linn Tearney at Cochlear today. She said that CIs are only for individuals with sensorineural hearing loss. Unless these people also have sensorineural hearing loss (which is called a mixed loss), the hair cells in the cochlea are functional. People with conductive loss are often candidates for the BAHA.

However, individuals with a mixed hearing loss might be candidates for a CI if their sensorineural loss is severe-profound bilaterally.
 
All I can add to the above few comments is that I was seriously looking into this last fall, as a good number of you know. It was my CI audi that warned me of the benefits that I would *not* realize from getting a CI, especially in the areas of speech discrimination, based on my test scoring. I felt she was very honest and not in any way pushing me to do this. Based on my test scores and her frank honesty, I opted not to do this right now. Perhaps later, if things should change ....
 
AlleyCat said:
All I can add to the above few comments is that I was seriously looking into this last fall, as a good number of you know. It was my CI audi that warned me of the benefits that I would *not* realize from getting a CI, especially in the areas of speech discrimination, based on my test scoring. I felt she was very honest and not in any way pushing me to do this. Based on my test scores and her frank honesty, I opted not to do this right now. Perhaps later, if things should change ....
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I'm glad that you are one of the lucky ones that has an audiologist that will be completely honest with you. They are out there, it just seems that one really has to look to find them.
 
shel90 said:
Conductive losses are different than sensorinal losses...I took a few grad level audiology classes and those who have conductive losses do not qualify for a CI.
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Exactly. That was my point.
 
I personally don't want to get a CI until they make electrode arrays that can reach all the way to the apex of the cochlea (where bass sounds are) mostly because I love deep sounds and high pitched sounds are physically painful to me (which is common for people with sensorineural hearing loss).

That and I'm hoping to get some new and much more powerful hearing aids soon. I got my hearing aids before they knew my hearing loss was progressive so now I'm at the absolute maximum for the poor little BTEs. Too bad insurance companies discriminate against deaf and hard of hearing people by refusing to cover hearing aids. My insurance company would pay nearly 100% of the cost of a cochlear implant but won't pay anything for hearing aids.
 
Actually one manufacture is able to reach most of the apex.

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There are a few CI users here that can hear quite a bit of the low bass. I am not missing anything in the bass as far I am concerned with my CI.

I am not bitter with all the hearing aids I had to buy in the last 48 years. However there has been some headway in some states to get insurance coverage for kids.

ecp said:
I personally don't want to get a CI until they make electrode arrays that can reach all the way to the apex of the cochlea (where bass sounds are) mostly because I love deep sounds and high pitched sounds are physically painful to me (which is common for people with sensorineural hearing loss).

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john57 said:
I am not missing anything in the bass as far I am concerned with my CI.
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Earlier this afternoon I listened to some early 80s rap music and discovered that I am able to hear bass with my CIs quite well. In my case, I think this has to do with the 6 high frequency electrodes that were turned off on each CI because I don't remember being able to hear bass before.
 
I thought it is the high pitch that is all the way apex of the cochlea . bass sounds are my strongest suit.
 
ecp said:
I personally don't want to get a CI until they make electrode arrays that can reach all the way to the apex of the cochlea (where bass sounds are) mostly because I love deep sounds and high pitched sounds are physically painful to me (which is common for people with sensorineural hearing loss).

That and I'm hoping to get some new and much more powerful hearing aids soon. I got my hearing aids before they knew my hearing loss was progressive so now I'm at the absolute maximum for the poor little BTEs. Too bad insurance companies discriminate against deaf and hard of hearing people by refusing to cover hearing aids. My insurance company would pay nearly 100% of the cost of a cochlear implant but won't pay anything for hearing aids.
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doesn't Hearpo offer it. My husband's insurance offer hearpo.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
I thought it is the high pitch that is all the way apex of the cochlea . bass sounds are my strongest suit.
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High frequencies are located towards the center (inner part) of the cochlea while low frequencies are located towards the outer part of the cochlea.
 
Well this thread scared me. I have always been curious about CI's. I often wonder if CI's would help me hear better than my hearing aids do. There is one thing I have never been able to do and that is talk on a telephone. When I am on the telephone I can hear the other person's voice but I can not make out the words. If someone could guarantee me that a CI would let me hear on a telephone I would do it in a minute.

My audi has never ever talked to me about CI. He has known me since I was 5 and I am 37 now. I would think I am a candidate for them since I hear nothing without my hearing aids, but we have never discussed them. I think it is because my audi believes that I do so well with my hearing aids there is no need for anything else.

But that question remains in my head, what if I could hear better with CI's? What if they would help me hear sounds that I don't hear right now? But reading this thread I am thinking "what if I hate them and then I can never go back to my hearing aids?" It is pretty scary.
 
bebito831 said:
Well this thread scared me. I have always been curious about CI's. I often wonder if CI's would help me hear better than my hearing aids do. There is one thing I have never been able to do and that is talk on a telephone. When I am on the telephone I can hear the other person's voice but I can not make out the words. If someone could guarantee me that a CI would let me hear on a telephone I would do it in a minute.

My audi has never ever talked to me about CI. He has known me since I was 5 and I am 37 now. I would think I am a candidate for them since I hear nothing without my hearing aids, but we have never discussed them. I think it is because my audi believes that I do so well with my hearing aids there is no need for anything else.

But that question remains in my head, what if I could hear better with CI's? What if they would help me hear sounds that I don't hear right now? But reading this thread I am thinking "what if I hate them and then I can never go back to my hearing aids?" It is pretty scary.
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yeah, I used to have the very same fear. I think anyone who thought about CI's wondered the same thing.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
yeah, I used to have the very same fear. I think anyone who thought about CI's wondered the same thing.
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I certainly did.

However, in my case, I had nothing to lose since I didn't have alot of residual hearing to begin with. If someone receives measureable benefit from their hearing aids, I don't blame them for questioning whether or not a CI is right for them.
 
Hear Again- you got it backwards.
High frequencies are located towards the center (inner part) of the cochlea while low frequencies are located towards the outer part of the cochlea.
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The apex is the very end of the "snail" and that is where low frequencies can be heard. This makes sense because low frequency sounds have a hard time moving the base of the cochlea which is very stiff. However, the apex is wide and floppy making it the place where low pitches are heard.

As I said in another post, I am a scientist who have worked in two different hearing labs (while in college). I do know what I'm talking about (I've dissected so many mouse cochlea and done ABRs on mice and all sorts of other things).
Here is an image from wikipedia that illustrates the frequency mapping on the cochlea.
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A description of the image for those who are blind:
The image shows the snail like two and one half turns of the cochlea. Superimposed on the snail are the frequencies that correspond to that portion of the cochlea. The base of the cochlea (furthest from the center) has 20,000Hz on it and the apex, in the center has 100Hz on it.
I hope that is a clear description of the image.
-ECP
 
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