This woman hears worse in some aspects with CI over HA.

jillio said:
Of course their is a financial incentive. The more people are implanted, the more patients they see for follow up and regualr mapping. Simple logic. And CI manufacturers do offer incentive for using their particular brand, the same way that pharmaceutical companies offer incentive to physicians for prescribing their particular meds. "Tis well known within the medical community.
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And the more people who have hearing aids, the more programming they do. So?
And I would like to see evidence that audiologists receive money from the CI companies when they refer someone to get an implant. Or that they get a "kickback" for a particular brand. Then why would my daughter's audi NOT give any sort of recommendation?
 
jillio said:
Of course their is a financial incentive. The more people are implanted, the more patients they see for follow up and regualr mapping. Simple logic. And CI manufacturers do offer incentive for using their particular brand, the same way that pharmaceutical companies offer incentive to physicians for prescribing their particular meds. "Tis well known within the medical community.
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I remember my dad getting samples and pens with the brand name of certain drugs. In case others are wondering, he's a retired M.D. So it's easy for me to believe this is going on with CIs.
 
faire_jour said:
And the more people who have hearing aids, the more programming they do. So?
And I would like to see evidence that audiologists receive money from the CI companies when they refer someone to get an implant. Or that they get a "kickback" for a particular brand. Then why would my daughter's audi NOT give any sort of recommendation?
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Incentives come in forms other than actual cash. And the surgeon refers to the audi, not the CI company. Programming with an HA is not as frequent as programming with a CI.

All I am saying is that it does occur. CI manufacturers are in the business to make money. The way they make money is to get surgeons to use their particular product so they can sell it to the surgeon. The very same way that a pharmaceutical company makes more profit by getting more doctors to prescribe their particular meds. Only the pharmaceutical manufacterer has a larger margin to play with because of the sheer number of different meds they produce. To believe that anyone involved with the manufacturer or surgery involved with CI is doing so purely for altruisitc purposes is to be extremely naive.
 
deafskeptic said:
I remember my dad getting samples and pens with the brand name of certain drugs. In case others are wondering, he's a retired M.D. So it's easy for me to believe this is going on with CIs.
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Absolutely. And they used to offer much more than pens...like vacations in Hawaii, etc, etc. It has gone on in the medical profession since the days of snake oil.
 
jillio said:
Incentives come in forms other than actual cash. And the surgeon refers to the audi, not the CI company. Programming with an HA is not as frequent as programming with a CI.
All I am saying is that it does occur. CI manufacturers are in the business to make money. The way they make money is to get surgeons to use their particular product so they can sell it to the surgeon. The very same way that a pharmaceutical company makes more profit by getting more doctors to prescribe their particular meds. Only the pharmaceutical manufacterer has a larger margin to play with because of the sheer number of different meds they produce. To believe that anyone involved with the manufacturer or surgery involved with CI is doing so purely for altruisitc purposes is to be extremely naive.
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Actually, for us at least, the audi referred us to the surgeon, not the other way around.
 
faire_jour said:
Actually, for us at least, the audi referred us to the surgeon, not the other way around.
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Then, if the audi is referring you to a specific surgeon, you would be wise to question the relationship there as well. But the point is that the audi does not have direct contact with the CI company, in that they do not purchase the devise from the manufacturer to be implanted. The surgeon does.
 
jillio said:
Then, if the audi is referring you to a specific surgeon, you would be wise to question the relationship there as well. But the point is that the audi does not have direct contact with the CI company, in that they do not purchase the devise from the manufacturer to be implanted. The surgeon does.
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Again, not correct in my experience. The audiologist order the device for us. Also, there is only one pediatric ENT in the state, so we all have the same surgeon.
 
faire_jour said:
Again, not correct in my experience. The audiologist order the device for us. Also, there is only one pediatric ENT in the state, so we all have the same surgeon.
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Hmm...would appear that he has quite the monopoly, then, wouldn't it?:cool2:

If the audi is ordering the devise that the surgeon would be implanting, again, I would question the relationship between the triad.
 
jillio said:
Hmm...would appear that he has quite the monopoly, then, wouldn't it?:cool2:

If the audi is ordering the devise that the surgeon would be implanting, again, I would question the relationship between the triad.
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I just don't see what there is to question. I chose the audiologist,I asked for the implant, I chose the device.
 
jillio said:
I guess that is just something you will have to figure out for yourself as time goes by.
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Hmmmm, I researched something, sought out several professional opinions, decided on something, and found professionals who were on board with that plan.....Good lord, what a mistake!
 
faire_jour said:
Hmmmm, I researched something, sought out several professional opinions, decided on something, and found professionals who were on board with that plan.....Good lord, what a mistake!
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I'll just say that you have been known to change your mind before, despite all of the above.
 
Hi everyone,

For those of you who were interested in knowing whether or not someone with a conductive loss (only) can receive a CI, my audi said that they generally do very well with hearing aids so there is no need for an implant.
 
Hear Again said:
Hi everyone,

For those of you who were interested in knowing whether or not someone with a conductive loss (only) can receive a CI, my audi said that they generally do very well with hearing aids so there is no need for an implant.
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But but.. how can your audiologist say that? They are supposed to push for a CI!!!

S/he broke his audiologist oath.... tsk tsk tsk.....
 
I thought a person with a conductive loss had to have BAHA not CI
 
Daredevel7 said:
But but.. how can your audiologist say that? They are supposed to push for a CI!!!

S/he broke his audiologist oath.... tsk tsk tsk.....
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Because, in effect, they could be sued for malpractice for recommending a CI for a conductive loss. Conductive loss is remediated differently. It would be like recommending chemotherapy for a cold.
 
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