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You do not have to own slaves to be portrayed as "evil", you just need to spew words to be portrayed as "evil". Even evil can be found in a businessperson wearing a three piece suit.

I googled up about the Confederate flags and you can find information in this link along with the different Confederate flags.

"A Southern View of History"

CCSinned mentioned about the KKK and the CSA,

The KKK was never part Confederate States of America.

Argument #1 "Since the Ku Klux Klan fly the Confederate flag, it has become a symbol of hatred, racism and intolerance. We cannot let our state or school or community, etc. project an image of racism by flying a Confederate battle flag or something that contains the Confederate battle flag."

"First, many in the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) do not fly the Confederate battle flag. In fact, only a small number actually use a Confederate flag. However, we are told that KKK bylaws require the U.S. flag and the Christian flag to be present at every event. Most people are not aware that the largest KKK membership is in the North and it has been that way since the early 1900s." link
 
cental34 said:
I never said that the KKK was your heritage. The flag was fought under by soldiers whose idea of states rights included the right to enslave a race of human beings that were believed to be inferior and less than human.

That's correct.

AJ, give me a break.

C.C. Sinned, U.S. did not have any law to ban the slaves until Civil War Era. I bet your family (not owners in 1900th century) enjoyed to watch the slave masters whipping on the back of the African slaves....
 
mld4ds said:
That's correct.

AJ, give me a break.

C.C. Sinned, U.S. did not have any law to ban the slaves until Civil War Era. I bet your family (not owners in 1900th century) enjoyed to watch the slave masters whipping on the back of the African slaves....

Just because there were not any laws banning it until that time. Don't mean it would have not have ended if the war was never fought in the first place. Again in a simple words - THE WAR WAS NOT FOUGHT OVER SLAVES...

Nope. My family was nowhere around slave owners...
 
C.C.Sinned said:

My family was nowhere around slave owners...

Interesting, how do you know? I bet your granddaddies did not tell you whole truth...

I simply asked you if your granddaddies probably witnessed the abuse system in the South...
 
mld4ds said:
That's correct.

AJ, give me a break.

C.C. Sinned, U.S. did not have any law to ban the slaves until Civil War Era. I bet your family (not owners in 1900th century) enjoyed to watch the slave masters whipping on the back of the African slaves....

And even though slavery was ended by the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, not a single slave was freed in the South until 1865, after the war.
 
CCSinned, remember who you are arguing with.....

According to mld's theory, we should also condemn the American flag http://www.scv674.org/SH-8.htm
From 1641, when Massachusetts first legalized slavery, until 1865, when the Confederate struggle for independence ended, slavery was a legal institution in America. The Confederate battle flag flew for 4 of those 224 years, but the U.S. flag and its colonial predecessors flew over legalized slavery for ALL of those 224 years. It was the U.S. flag that the slave first saw, and it was the U.S. flag that flew on the mast of New England slaves ships as they brought their human cargo to this country. It is clear, that those who attack the Confederate flag as a reminder of slavery are overlooking the most guilty of all reminders of American slavery, the U.S. flag.

*singing*O, I wish I was in the land of cotton
Old times there are not forgotten
Look away! Look away!
Look away! Dixie Land.

In Dixie Land where I was born in
Early on one frosty mornin'
Look away! Look away!
Look away! Dixie Land.

Chorus:
O, I wish I was in Dixie!
Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I'll take my stand
To live and die in Dixie
Away, away,
Away down south in Dixie!
 
CC, in response to your claim of blacks fighting in the Confederate Army, yes they did fight in the Confederate Army. Some were forced, some were willing. Those that were willing were under the impression that they would earn their freedom if they fought.

Again, you're right it was not a war over slavery. It was a war over the right to have slavery.
 
as i said before.

the Southern Cross, which i will be calling it from now on, was associated with some negative things. and im putting it in a positive light, in a positive way.

and yes,unfortunatley, it was used be the KKK look it up.
and yeah, there's a good chance that my ancestors were slave owners and if thats true, thats disgusting. cuz thats certainly not how i feel. and i dont share those views. and there's nothing i can do to change the past...i can only change the future
 
AJ, I highly suggest reading "People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. It many great ideas concerning slavery, and upper and lower class whites that you might find interesting.
 
cental34 said:
CC, in response to your claim of blacks fighting in the Confederate Army, yes they did fight in the Confederate Army. Some were forced, some were willing. Those that were willing were under the impression that they would earn their freedom if they fought.

Again, you're right it was not a war over slavery. It was a war over the right to have slavery.
The Civil War brought an end to slavery in America. Of course, it would have ended in time without the War. No civilized nation today still allows slavery. But without the War it would not have ended so suddenly. Gradual abolishment would have been more likely, similar to the process followed by England and some northern states. New Jersey, for one, was still in that process at the outbreak of the Civil War.
It was about the slave it was about Industry, Taxes & Money
President Abraham Lincoln quoted, "We didn't go into this war to put down slavery . . . and to act differently at this moment would, I have no doubt, not only weaken our cause, but smack of bad faith." When he was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" Lincoln replied, "I can't let them go, Who would pay for the government?"
 
Eve said:
CCSinned, remember who you are arguing with.....

According to mld's theory, we should also condemn the American flag

Eve, how well do you know me? Prove me...
 
C.C.Sinned said:
It was about the slave it was about Industry, Taxes & Money
President Abraham Lincoln quoted, "We didn't go into this war to put down slavery . . . and to act differently at this moment would, I have no doubt, not only weaken our cause, but smack of bad faith." When he was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" Lincoln replied, "I can't let them go, Who would pay for the government?"

If CSA won the war, CSA may be joined with superpower German under Hilter...

Thanks Heaven...We are under red, blue and white nation...
 
cental34 said:
AJ, I highly suggest reading "People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. It many great ideas concerning slavery, and upper and lower class whites that you might find interesting.

i dont know how well ur listening to me....ur mind is clouded with ur own opinion. im saying YES, the Southern Cross was associated with NEGATIVE sources.

BUT.....

im turning this flag into a positive thing.

and anyway the KKK and the racist bastards in this world disgraced the Southern Cross and put a negative view on the flag.
 
AJ said:
i dont know how well ur listening to me....ur mind is clouded with ur own opinion. im saying YES, the Southern Cross was associated with NEGATIVE sources.

BUT.....

im turning this flag into a positive thing.

and anyway the KKK and the racist bastards in this world disgraced the Southern Cross and put a negative view on the flag.
No he will only listen to other Liberials.
 
You might find this interesting:

Rebel re-enactor with a cause
June 30, 2002 12:59 am

By LAURA MOYER
The Free Lance-Star

ROCKVILLE--In the Hanover County woods where men in blue and men in gray are shooting at each other, it's all noise and smoke and stink.

Across a field there's cannon fire so loud it resets your heartbeat for you. Horses whicker, and men shout. Fog-thick gunpowder smoke gives off a rotten-egg reek.

For Confederate Pvt. Casey of the 6th North Carolina State Troop, a Civil War re-enactment unit, the conflict is all external.

In real life, the Rebel private is Maj. Willie Levi Casey Jr. of the U.S. Army--a tasty bit of irony if you're looking for it.

But Casey sees no irony at all in re-enacting as a 19th-century soldier in gray and being a 21st-century African-American.

Casey, a 40-year-old resident of Spotsylvania County's Chancellor area, is a Southerner by birth and proud of it by choice.

He's been re-enacting since 1997 and was welcomed as a full member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans Matthew Fontaine Maury Camp No. 1722 two years ago.

It all makes sense, he said, if you view the Civil War not as a textbook struggle between good and evil, but as the nuanced conflict it truly was.

"Look at the mentality of a black person in the South" at the time of the Civil War, Casey said. That person's ancestors might have been living in the South for 150 years before the war.

In such a case, he said, "You may be a Southerner by force, but you are a Southerner."

Historians have long held that black Southerners, free or slave, did not serve the Confederacy as soldiers, but worked instead as teamsters, laborers, cooks and personal servants.

If those black men took up weapons in battle, this official version of history goes, it was because of circumstances and self-defense, not because they believed in the Southern cause.

But recent scholarly works--many by African-American academics--have alleged a historical understatement and even a cover-up of blacks' real participation.

Casey, who earned a degree in history from Presbyterian College in South Carolina, said his reading over the past few years leads him to believe that tens of thousands of blacks, slave and free, fought for the Confederacy.

Their motivation, he believes, was not to support slavery but to support what they saw as their country--the South--and to improve their own lot in life.

"You would fight to gain status. Because you know that even if you lose, you're still one of the brothers in arms," Casey said. "You're fighting to make your life better."

Casey's persona as a re-enactor is a free black cabinetmaker from eastern Tennessee, able to read and write, with a wife and a child at home.

But he has a real-life link to the Confederacy as well--one he always vaguely knew about but pinned down only in recent years.

Casey grew up in Cross Anchor, S.C., in the 1960s and '70s. It was an area full of Caseys, black and white.

He and his siblings knew they had a white great-grandfather, a man who had never married their American Indian/African-American great-grandmother even though they had six children together.

A family photo of the couple's son Barney Casey shows a bulky man in overalls with lank gray hair and white skin. He's Willie Casey's grandfather.

Willie Casey was well into adulthood when he decided to research the white side of his family.

In the course of his genealogical effort he came across the Civil War record of one Pvt. Martin Luther Casey, a South Carolina soldier killed in 1862. That man was the older brother of Casey's great-grandfather.

Being a collateral relative of a Civil War soldier qualified Casey for membership in the SCV. He's twice been elected aide-de-camp of the local group.

His acceptance into the organization doesn't surprise him. "Most people will welcome you according to how you treat them," he said.

The SCV denounces racism and has vehemently fought the usurpation of the Confederate battle flag by the Ku Klux Klan and other hate groups.

"These are guys who are trying to remember their ancestors in a positive manner," he said. And that's what he wants to do, too.

Still, Casey is often asked to explain himself--not to his fellow re-enactors or SCV members, but to people who just can't understand where he's coming from.

"People say to me, 'Do you support slavery?'" he said.

"I say, 'No. I support preserving Southern history and telling it the way it is.'"


http://fred411.com/News/FLS/2002/062002/06302002/654553
 
C.C. Sinned,

Any of your family has colored sibling since 1700 century? What is the ratio of mixed mutts?
 
C.C.Sinned said:
No he will only listen to other Liberials.


so what ur saying is....he doesn't have a mind of his own.
 
Eve, how well do you know me? Prove me...
Your vast ignorance speaks for itself.
Any of your family has colored sibling since 1700 century? What is the ratio of mixed mutts?
what does THIS have to do with the price of tea in china?
 
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