the energy that a dhh kid expends on listening

TXgolfer said:
Are you referring to the "limited benefit" of a hearing aid as "hearing" ?
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ah so it wasn't an educational setting as a kid... am I right?
 
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TXgolfer said:
Again, that is one opinion, I am giving mine. If you want to disagree, that is perfectly fine. :)
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I am not disagreeing. I am just asking you if you've done lip reading in educational setting... as a kid because that is basically what the blog was about.

but I think we can end this quibbling around right here. It is pretty obvious that you've never done lip reading in educational setting as a "deaf kid".
 
Jiro said:
I am not disagreeing. I am just asking you if you've done lip reading in educational setting... as a kid because that is basically what the blog was about.

but I think we can end this quibbling around right here. It is pretty obvious that you've never done lip reading in educational setting as a "deaf kid".
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I didn't go through grade schools with any hearing problems. But I did go to college dhh. Left ear deaf, and deemed it wasn't worth being aided, so I relied solely on my right severe to profound ear. No accommodations, just me. No problems. I don't get tired or head aches from speech reading either. BUT I don't just rely on speech reading, I think that makes a big difference. Some weekends I might not wear my aid at all, and only speech read, but I miss a lot and couldn't have an indepth conversation like that. Mostly I do a combination of listening and speech reading. But if I can't see the speaker I can't understand then, it's just gibberish. Well, I'm deader now than when I went to college.

I guess I just have a hard time wrapping my head around why if I did fine with my aids with severe loss, why can't other people and kids do just as well?
 
ambrosia said:
I didn't go through grade schools with any hearing problems. But I did go to college dhh. Left ear deaf, and deemed it wasn't worth being aided, so I relied solely on my right severe to profound ear. No accommodations, just me. No problems. I don't get tired or head aches from speech reading either. BUT I don't just rely on speech reading, I think that makes a big difference. Some weekends I might not wear my aid at all, and only speech read, but I miss a lot and couldn't have an indepth conversation like that. Mostly I do a combination of listening and speech reading. But if I can't see the speaker I can't understand then, it's just gibberish. Well, I'm deader now than when I went to college.

I guess I just have a hard time wrapping my head around why if I did fine with my aids with severe loss, why can't other people and kids do just as well?
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See, now THAT is a strong argument. There is a possibility that kids will miss out on stuff by speech reading only. A strong possibility even. That is an understandable and convincing point, one that might sway the judgement of hearing parents.
 
ambrosia said:
I didn't go through grade schools with any hearing problems. But I did go to college dhh. Left ear deaf, and deemed it wasn't worth being aided, so I relied solely on my right severe to profound ear. No accommodations, just me. No problems. I don't get tired or head aches from speech reading either. BUT I don't just rely on speech reading, I think that makes a big difference. Some weekends I might not wear my aid at all, and only speech read, but I miss a lot and couldn't have an indepth conversation like that. Mostly I do a combination of listening and speech reading. But if I can't see the speaker I can't understand then, it's just gibberish. Well, I'm deader now than when I went to college.

I guess I just have a hard time wrapping my head around why if I did fine with my aids with severe loss, why can't other people and kids do just as well?
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Now that you don't hear, try to begin learning Russian. From scratch, with no prior knowledge, not allowed to read anything that would help you, as this would put you on a par with a deaf kid starting out.

And to add, from a native Russian speaker who has no knowledge of the language you already know.
 
Bottesini said:
Now that you don't hear, try to begin learning Russian. From scratch, with no prior knowledge, not allowed to read anything that would help you, as this would put you on a par with a deaf kid starting out.

And to add, from a native Russian speaker who has no knowledge of the language you already know.
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I don't mean deaf, I'm really deaf now, I have lots if problems now, the difference between being severe to profound and being profound is actually huge. It's not really that many decibels difference, but those few decibels make a huge difference in speech recognition.

In theory I can see why even with severe loss I might have an advantage over someone with severe loss since birth. BUT I was talking about kids with that amount of loss, severe or even moderate, not every kid that is born with hearing loss is deaf. Know what I mean now?
 
I think the point that TX is making is that deaf lipread anyway. Very few children make it to pre-school or K without some mode of communication. And, unless you have very superficial loss, almost everyone who wears an aid is lipreading to some degree. I do it unconsciously quite a lot.

I don't think you can get through k to 12 on it alone without special classes, but improvement of it is helpful since you are going to be doing it for the rest of your life.

Every tool is a needed tool.

If the point of the thread is that sign should be taught I agree with it. But, it is still not going to solve the problem of the general population not knowing sign so you are going to need the lipreading, like it or not.
 
Bottesini said:
Now that you don't hear, try to begin learning Russian. From scratch, with no prior knowledge, not allowed to read anything that would help you, as this would put you on a par with a deaf kid starting out.

And to add, from a native Russian speaker who has no knowledge of the language you already know.
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You've basically just dismissed the difficulties Ambrosia faced while learning. Learning while dealing with the major life changes of hearing loss, tinnitus, vertigo and so forth all while raising kids and most likely working. Well done!

No one has argued that learning through lip reading or speech reading only is optimal. Only that arguing for other teaching methods simply because lip reading is tiring is not a very convincing argument. There are other arguments that could be much more convincing.
 
Bottesini said:
Now that you don't hear, try to begin learning Russian. From scratch, with no prior knowledge, not allowed to read anything that would help you, as this would put you on a par with a deaf kid starting out.

And to add, from a native Russian speaker who has no knowledge of the language you already know.
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good example, so wait, its an excellent example, this is how we ought to explain to hearing people...for many issues, CI for congential children is one...
as you see, the 'And to add, from a native Russian speaker who has no knowledge of the language you already know.' can refer to 'the lack of how they really know what we 'hear' like with implants....its all a mystery audis thinkg they got it right everytime...im not too sure about that...it doesnt well hardly translate that well in the real world of social (sic) interactions in the hearing world...
 
TXgolfer said:
You've basically just dismissed the difficulties Ambrosia faced while learning. Learning while dealing with the major life changes of hearing loss, tinnitus, vertigo and so forth all while raising kids and most likely working. Well done!

No one has argued that learning through lip reading or speech reading only is optimal. Only that arguing for other teaching methods simply because lip reading is tiring is not a very convincing argument. There are other arguments that could be much more convincing.
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Man, is that completely unrelated to what I said! :ugh:


But don't let me interrupt you...
 
ambrosia said:
I didn't go through grade schools with any hearing problems. But I did go to college dhh. Left ear deaf, and deemed it wasn't worth being aided, so I relied solely on my right severe to profound ear. No accommodations, just me. No problems. I don't get tired or head aches from speech reading either. BUT I don't just rely on speech reading, I think that makes a big difference. Some weekends I might not wear my aid at all, and only speech read, but I miss a lot and couldn't have an indepth conversation like that. Mostly I do a combination of listening and speech reading. But if I can't see the speaker I can't understand then, it's just gibberish. Well, I'm deader now than when I went to college.

I guess I just have a hard time wrapping my head around why if I did fine with my aids with severe loss, why can't other people and kids do just as well?
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because you've never experienced what being deaf is like from birth.
 
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