The Death Penalty

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You haven't look at "References" selection at bottom of Wikipedia's information on individual page. There are list where most sources are come from.

Wikipedia is still not considered a valid form of research. How do we know that the person posting the references read any of them, for instance. Likewise, someone who has no expertise in either the domain or in actual research could be utilizing these resources, increasing the margin of error in interpretation. Wikipedia is not accepted as a reference in any form of academic paper. It is considered unreliable.
 
I'll kill all of you! Police arrest me!!! Sentence for life? No sweat! I'll even kill everybody in prison! I enjoy it! More punishment me! Thank godness for no death row. BWHAHAHAHA!

That my imagine. :wiggle:

I wouldn't want to stay in the prison and saying that I am here for murder someone for whole of my life. Kinda shame and boring life..
 
The Truth & the Facts

Death Penalty Paper
The death penalty debate in the U.S. is dominated by the fraudulent voice of the anti-death penalty movement. The culture of lies and deceit so dominates that movement that many of the falsehoods are now wrongly accepted as fact, by both advocates and opponents of capital punishment. The following report presents the true facts of the death penalty in America. If you are even casually aware of this public debate, you will note that every category contradicts the well-worn frauds presented by the anti-death penalty movement. The anti-death penalty movement specializes in the abolition of truth.

1. Imposition of the death penalty is extraordinarily rare. Since 1967, there has been one execution for every 1600 murders, or 0.06%. There have been approximately 560,000 murders and 358 executions from 1967-1996 FBI's Uniform Crime Report (UCR) & Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).

2. Approximately 5900 persons have been sentenced to death and 358 executed (from 1973-96). An average of 0.2% of those were executed every year during that time. 56 murderers were executed in 1995, a record number for the modern death penalty. This represented 1.8% of those on death row. The average time on death row for those 56 executed - 11 years, 2 months ("Capital Punishment 1995", BJS, 1996), an all time record of longevity, breaking the 1994 record of 10 years, 2 months.

3. Death penalty opponents ("opponents") state that "Those who support the death penalty see it as a solution to violent crime." Opponents, hereby, present one of many fabrications. In reality, executions are seen as the appropriate punishment for certain criminals committing specific crimes. So says the U.S. Supreme Court and so say most death penalty supporters ("advocates").

4. Opponents equate execution and murder, believing that if two acts have the same ending or result, then those two acts are morally equivalent. This is a morally untenable position. Is the legal taking of property to satisfy a debt the same as auto theft? Both result in loss of property. Are kidnaping and legal incarceration the same? Both involve imprisonment against one's will. Is killing in self defense the same as capital murder? Both end in taking human life. Are rape and making love the same? Both may result in sexual intercourse. How absurd. Opponents’ flawed logic and moral confusion mirror their "factual" arguments - there is, often, an absence of reality. The moral confusion of some opponents is astounding. Some equate the American death penalty with the Nazi holocaust. Opponents see no moral distinction between the slaughter of 12 million totally innocent men, women and children and the just execution of society's worst human rights violators.

THE RISK OF EXECUTING THE INNOCENT

Indeed, Michigan Court of Appeals Judge Stephen Markman finds that " . . . the Bedau-Radelet study is remarkable not (as retired Supreme Court Judge Harry Blackmun seems to believe) for demonstrating that mistakes involving the death penalty are common, but rather for demonstrating how uncommon they are . . . This study - the most thorough and painstaking analysis ever on the subject - fails to prove that a single such mistake has occurred in the United States during the twentieth century." Presumably, Bedau and Radelet would have selected the most compelling 23 cases of the innocent executed to prove their proposition. "Yet, in each of these cases, where there is a record to review, there are eyewitnesses, confessions, physical evidence and circumstantial evidence in support of the defendant’s guilt. Bedau has written elsewhere that it is ‘false sentimentality to argue that the death penalty ought to be abolished because of the abstract possibility that an innocent person might be executed when the record fails to disclose that such cases exist.’ . . . (T)he Bedau and Radelet study . . . speaks eloquently about the extraordinary rarity of error in capital punishment." ("Innocents on Death Row?", National Review, September 12, 1994).

Another significant oversight by that study was not differentiating between the risk of executing innocent persons before and after Furman v Georgia (1972). There is, in fact, no proof that an innocent has been executed since 1900. And the probability of such a tragedy occurring has been lowered significantly more since Furman. In the context that hundreds of thousands of innocents have been murdered or seriously injured, since 1900, by criminals improperly released by the U.S. criminal justice system (or not incarcerated at all!), the relevant question is: Is the risk of executing the innocent, however slight, worth the justifications for the death penalty - those being retribution, rehabilitation, incapacitation, required punishment, deterrence, escalating punishments, religious mandates, cost savings, the moral imperative, just punishment and the saving of innocent lives?

Predictably, opponents still continue to fraudulently claim, even today*, that this study has proven that 23 "innocent" people have been executed, even though Bedau and Radelet, the authors of that study, conceded - in 1988 - that neither they nor any previous researchers have proved that any of those executed was innocent: "We agree with our critics that we have not proved these executed defendants to be innocent; we never claimed that we had." (41, 1 Stanford Law Review, 11/1988).


THE COST OF LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE VS THE DEATH PENALTY

Many opponents present, as fact, that the cost of the death penalty is so expensive (at least $2 million per case?), that we must choose life without parole ("LWOP") at a cost of $1 million for 50 years. Predictably, these pronouncements may be entirely false. JFA estimates that LWOP cases will cost $1.2 million - $3.6 million more than equivalent death penalty cases.


Cost of Life Without Parole: Cases Equivalent To Death Penalty Cases

$34,200/year (1) for 50 years (2), at
a 2% (3) annual cost increase, plus
$75,000 (4) for trial & appeals = $3.01 million

2. Same, except 3% (3) = $4.04 million
3. Same, except 4% (3) = $5.53 million


Cost of Death Penalty Cases

$60,000/year (1) for 6 years (5), at
a 2% (3) annual cost increase, plus
$1.5 million (4) for trial & appeals = $1.88 million
Same, except 3% (3) = $1.89 million
Same, except 4% (3) = $1.91 million

Let's stick with the facts.
 
Wikipedia is still not considered a valid form of research. How do we know that the person posting the references read any of them, for instance. Likewise, someone who has no expertise in either the domain or in actual research could be utilizing these resources, increasing the margin of error in interpretation. Wikipedia is not accepted as a reference in any form of academic paper. It is considered unreliable.

I think you misunderstood....

These references selection provide the link to other website, newspaper or book. I guess you didn't take a good look.

Just concept as essay, it required the references. Haven't you done the essay before? Probably not.
 
I wouldn't want to stay in the prison and saying that I am here for murder someone for whole of my life. Kinda shame and boring life..

yeah... saying... have you seen the tv show called "Dexter"? It been told that someone anyone born to be killer. Just an idea.
 
No, it's not up to murder victim's family but law. I would suggest you to read murder victim's families's experience for oppose death penalty. Their wish are being ignored.

It's not always up to law. That's why they allow you to speak at sentencing hearing. If the prosecutor went for death penalty despite of murder victim's families' request, it's probably because of public pressure. It's politic... Who knows. :dunno2:

This is your opinion.

If it was happened to me... I would focus the reason why my child turn into serial killer. I would be shock and heart break... keep to tell myself what and how have I done anything wrong to expose my child into serial killer.... I would feel guilty myself for expose my child into serial killer like this... feel for victim's families.... My child do not deserve to sentence to death because it's my fault to expose him/her into serial killer... It's my fault for bad parent to my child....

Then you should be in prison too for raising a killing machine. I would arrest you and charge you with criminally negligent manslaughter for knowingly raising a killing machine that is a danger to public but self-denying it. If it's your fault for exposing him/her into serial killer, then you should be in jail. Hell - we should arrest punk friends of murderer for exposing him to criminal elements!! Let's arrest owners of strip club for exposing such filth to men who became rapists!!!

Bullshit. Everyone is responsible for their own action - nobody else unless you brainwashed him as your drone and he does everything at your command like a robot.
 
Yes, I know there're many statistic against each other. We need to decide ourselves either one of them are right one.

Those link I provided is the fact because I collect many similar like this for years.





No matter, I do consider death penatly as murder the same if they sentenced serial killers/psychopathic murderer etc. to death. What the justice system made is a vengeance, not right punishment.

I am with Jillio and KarissaMann05. There're high murder/volient rates in America to compare with other countries where death penalty are banned? (Yes I aware there're high murder/volience in the world is South Africa).





No, I disagree with those link over crime rates to compare with Germany and other countries. Those fact link against your link.

Murder Rate in the United States and Germany - Atlantic Review - Analysis of Transatlantic Relations and U.S. Foreign Policy



You can work out thru Chase's link.





Well, accord links, many murder victim's families oppose death penalty and want life sentence for murderers but justice system ignored their wishes to follow their law to execute them . :cool:



You can calcalate it for us if you like to but we know death penalty is expensive than life imprisionment.



Respect? I would suggest you check the links, I provided about murder victim's families's stories in my previous posts. They shared their experience... It's fact link... Their wishes are being ignored by justice system.



I respect your view but I know for the fact that death penatly is a vengance.



Death penatly can't bring your belove one back forever but bitter and revenage.




It's also murder as well if the murderer are execute by the law because it teach kill is okay.


I told you for many times - I refuse to listen to any sources with special interest/agenda. You just gave me a link to some media site that is obviously a Liberal. I'm sorry but that's not a fact. STOP USING MEDIA/BLOG AS SUPPORT FOR YOUR ARGUMENT. It's a waste of time and it's subjective. I want raw raw raw data that you number-crunched yourself then tell me your own interpretation from it. I just did a quick read and turns out that Atlantic Review is anti-Bush, a bit of anti-America, anti-death, anti-etc. damn liberals... :mad2:
 
Let's stick with the facts.

EXACTLY! Wokamuka! :bowdown: Now that's how you do it, Jillio. YOU NEED to support your argument with statistic/document/data. I'm sorry but your logic/common sense are extremely poor weight for your support. You need data from record-keeping agencies such as FBI, Bureau of Justice, etc and then YOU NEED to come up with your convincing interpretation of the data you computed.

Can you prove it to that death penalty costs more? Can you prove it to me that we have wrongfully-executed a person in this century?

Wokamuka, Reba, and I (forgive me if I left out somebody else) have shown you with documents/raw data and came up with our own interpretations based on what we see.

Jillio and Liebling did not. All they have given me are just some links to liberal sites who are anti-war, anti-death, anti-etc. Come on you can do better than that! Think about it - if you were to speak at Supreme Court in D.C. because the judges will decide whether or not to ban death penalty, YOU CANNOT USE MEDIA/BLOG as your support! They will throw you out or hell... even put you in contempt for wasting their time! :o

Now you understand what I'm trying to say?
 
I think you misunderstood....

These references selection provide the link to other website, newspaper or book. I guess you didn't take a good look.

Just concept as essay, it required the references. Haven't you done the essay before? Probably not.

I think you misunderstood. Just because a source from Wiki lists references does not indicate that the individual posting has the expertise needed to properly interpret those resources, nor that they even read them. Like I said, Wiki is not reliable. When one is researching a topic, one uses the actual sources, not someone else's interpretation of those resources, and particularly not when the credentials of the person supplying the information on Wiki cannot be confirmed. As I said, Wiki is not reliable. Use it as a reference in a college level paper, and the professor will laugh.

And, sweetie, I have not only written thousands of essays in my time, I have also done hundreds of research papers. I have also written research reports for professional presentation.
 
yeah... saying... have you seen the tv show called "Dexter"? It been told that someone anyone born to be killer. Just an idea.

And that is even more unreliable than Wiki.
 
EXACTLY! Wokamuka! :bowdown: Now that's how you do it, Jillio. YOU NEED to support your argument with statistic/document/data. I'm sorry but your logic/common sense are extremely poor weight for your support. You need data from record-keeping agencies such as FBI, Bureau of Justice, etc and then YOU NEED to come up with your convincing interpretation of the data you computed.

Can you prove it to that death penalty costs more? Can you prove it to me that we have wrongfully-executed a person in this century?

Wokamuka, Reba, and I (forgive me if I left out somebody else) have shown you with documents/raw data and came up with our own interpretations based on what we see.

Jillio and Liebling did not. All they have given me are just some links to liberal sites who are anti-war, anti-death, anti-etc. Come on you can do better than that! Think about it - if you were to speak at Supreme Court in D.C. because the judges will decide whether or not to ban death penalty, YOU CANNOT USE MEDIA/BLOG as your support! They will throw you out or hell... even put you in contempt for wasting their time! :o

Now you understand what I'm trying to say?

Sweetie, this is an opinion paper. It supports nothing. And try to use Wiki as your support and they will laugh you out of court. Bring in an opinion paper, and they will ask you if you have lost your mind.

I'm still waiting for you to supply those computations you promised.

Obviously, you are jsut beginning in your education, and are unaware of how little you have learned and how much more you need to learn before you present a convincing argument based on subjects you do not have a grasp of.

When you have obtained data from an agency, you didn't perform the computation. The computations were performed prior to the data being released. You simply read the analyzed data. Taht is hardly a computation. And it is subject to your interpretation, anc correct interpretation is based on extensive knowledge regarding what one is attempting to interpret.

Your advise on "how to do it" is totally useless to me. I've been "doing it" for many years.
 
No, it's not subjective. It is objectively supported. Your research in lacking. One white collar criminal.....hundreds of directly affected victims. (And that is a conservative estimate.) One blue collar criminal, one directly affected victim. You do the math. But you might want to keep in mind that numerous criminologists and sociologists have already done the math, and it does not support your belief.
Oh really? criminologists and sociologists have already done the math and it does not support my belief? Can you show me the math? I don't know what concerns you the most - the loss of life or the inconvenience of having to fix your life due to fraud. Funny how anti-death penalty person is more concerned with fraud than a loss of one life... :dunno2:

Oh, puleeze!
but... that's what FBI and Law Enforcement around the world said...

And your data shows that errors have been made. I do not digress at all. 95% is not good enough. That still leaves an error margin of 5%. That is unacceptable. One innocent person put to death is unacceptable as it creates a situation whereby the justice system becomes a legalized form of murder.
And, yes, you have presented some statistics, but obviously, you have misinterpreted them.

Your logic here is naive and ridiculous and shows a complete lack of understanding of the circumstances of the average criminal incarcerated in American prisons. Your concern is misplaced, but that is the result of your naivte, as well. When you are ready to come up with some valid arguments, we can continue this discussion.
If you want to counter-argue my position, you will need to come up with professional studies. My statement is from FBI behaviorist, reputable economist, and my psychology professor. If you would like a textbook, I mail you one but... it's kinda expensive... $120 textbook :squint: My statement does not explain for ALL criminals but it is a very powerful reasoning. Obviously the most popular solution that most experts agreed is to raise minimum raise that will significantly reduce blue-collar crimes.

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For starters..... :popcorn:

I don't know where to begin. You have not shown me ONE IOTA of counter-argument with evidence/statistic/data to me. All I hear is your crying opinion and your so-called clever dismission saying oh it's not subjective, it's objective. I showed that our success rate of execution is approximately 95%. That is not misinterpretation. I'm merely stating my opinion that it is within acceptable rate. If you wish to beg to differ, then show me statistic with your own interpretation - NOT SOME MEDIA/BLOG SITE.
 
Oh really? criminologists and sociologists have already done the math and it does not support my belief? Can you show me the math? I don't know what concerns you the most - the loss of life or the inconvenience of having to fix your life due to fraud. Funny how anti-death penalty person is more concerned with fraud than a loss of one life... :dunno2:

but... that's what FBI and Law Enforcement around the world said...




If you want to counter-argue my position, you will need to come up with professional studies. My statement is from FBI behaviorist, reputable economist, and my psychology professor. If you would like a textbook, I mail you one but... it's kinda expensive... $120 textbook :squint: My statement does not explain for ALL criminals but it is a very powerful reasoning. Obviously the most popular solution that most experts agreed is to raise minimum raise that will significantly reduce blue-collar crimes.

Criminals Gone Wild
Criminals Gone Wild DVD Download
For starters..... :popcorn:

I don't know where to begin. You have not shown me ONE IOTA of counter-argument with evidence/statistic/data to me. All I hear is your crying opinion and your so-called clever dismission saying oh it's not subjective, it's objective. I showed that our success rate of execution is approximately 95%. That is not misinterpretation. I'm merely stating my opinion that it is within acceptable rate. If you wish to beg to differ, then show me statistic with your own interpretation - NOT SOME MEDIA/BLOG SITE.

Sweetie, you have yet to come up with valid research. What do you think Wiki is but a media/blog website? In other words, you have come up with nothing that needs to be countered in any manner other than the ones that have already been used. You are obviously very confused about what contstitutes an accepted study.

Dismission is not a word, but if you are talking about me clarifying the difference between subjective and objective, that was simply to point out the errors you are making in your interpretations. Those errors are the foundation of my argument that your postings have provided nothing valid.

And yes, you have shown that the rate is 95%, which still leaves the 5% error rate. You have been unable to address that.

Ah, your psychology professor. What level of psychology are you taking? What course? How many courses in statistics and methods have you taken? Or are you in your first year of an introductory course? That would be my asessment.

And since you claimed that psychopathology is not evidence of mental illness, you might want to check that one out with that psychology professor of yours. Another error on your part, but I'm sure your professor can set you straight.

You offer me Criminals Gone Wild as valid research and support for your arguments? LOL!
 
Being eligible for parole does not mean "released under parole". As far as your assumptions regarding Pamela's families feelings, you are being very presumptuous. I would venture to say that if they were ethical enough to stand before a court and argue for life in prison for the killer of their daughter, that their feelings have not changed. They knew when they made their argument that the situation would be with them for the rest of their lives. Howver, they stood by their ethics and argued against the death penalty because they are principled people who havew the courage to stand by their values.

And, BTW....he is eligible for parole every 2 years, not annually as you have so claimed.

I think it is safe to say that you don't yet have children.

Tell me, how does one get to be so judgemental? Is it youth and naivite?

yes you are corrected. it's an error on my part. I was typing it off from the site. it is bi-annually.
 
Then you should be in prison too for raising a killing machine. I would arrest you and charge you with criminally negligent manslaughter for knowingly raising a killing machine that is a danger to public but self-denying it. If it's your fault for exposing him/her into serial killer, then you should be in jail. Hell - we should arrest punk friends of murderer for exposing him to criminal elements!! Let's arrest owners of strip club for exposing such filth to men who became rapists!!!

Bullshit. Everyone is responsible for their own action - nobody else unless you brainwashed him as your drone and he does everything at your command like a robot.

You really are naive. A little life experiece and knowledge should serve to temper some of that judgemental attitude. And perhaps paying a little closer attention to what you are learning in that psychology class.
 
Sweetie, you have yet to come up with valid research. What do you think Wiki is byt a media/blog website? In other words, you have come up with nothing that needs to be countered in any manner other than the ones that have already been used.

Dismission is not a word, but if you are talking about me clarifying the difference between subjective and objective, that was simply to point out the errors you are making in your interpretations. Those errors are the foundation of my argument that your postings have provided nothing valid.

And yes, you have shown that the rate is 95%, which still leaves the 5% error rate. You have been unable to address that.

Ah, your psychology professor. I teach psychology classes, my friend.

oh of course... you are entitled to your opinion with professional degree but there are others who disagree with your view. Doctors do not believe in abortions but other doctors do. Politicians believe gun ban reduces crimes but others don't. hence the politic.. debate... I agree experts' views on death penalty. Nobody is more right on any issue. We only create/abolish laws based on current situation because time changes, demography changes, etc. It's fluidic. I've already explained the rate of 95% in my previous post. The data was obtained from Bureau of Justice and FBI. see my previous post last nite -

I only believe what the statistic says because numbers don't lie.
Statistic (data from NCADP - National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty and ACLU):

Since 1976 - 1099 executions
2005 - 60 executions
2006 - 53 executions
2007 - 42 executions
(more white people were executed than black people)

Since 1973, 129 wrongfully-convicted people were freed from death row
Since 1970s - 39 people wrongfully executed (estimated - data from ACLU)

Bureau of Justice Statistics - # of executions from 1930~2007
same as above - # of prisoners on death row

btw - May I ask what is your specialty in psychology? My specialty is database dealing with demography, GIS, math, and bunch more but not relevant to this.
 
oh of course... you are entitled to your opinion with professional degree but there are others who disagree with your view. Doctors do not believe in abortions but other doctors do. Politicians believe gun ban reduces crimes but others don't. hence the politic.. debate... I agree experts' views on death penalty. Nobody is more right on any issue. We only create/abolish laws based on current situation because time changes, demography changes, etc. It's fluidic. I've already explained the rate of 95% in my previous post. The data was obtained from Bureau of Justice and FBI. see my previous post last nite -



btw - May I ask what is your specialty in psychology? My specialty is database dealing with demography, GIS, math, and bunch more but not relevant to this.

Clinical. I am a Ph.D. candidate. I also have a minor in sociology and anthroplogy, and have actively particiapted in research, including the design, and the statistical analysis of the data.

Now your turn. What level of psychology are you taking and what course?
 
Exactly. That proves my above point. The opposition groups know how to use the search engines to their advantage.

Not really, that´s one link I found and posted here at several weeks. I can´t remember which pages I posted here. Few murder victim´s family were angry at first and want murderer dead... They sentenced the murderer death that´s what victim´s family want until they faced murderer on his last day. They saw different...

I found out the example
The place for vengeance


You really don't know how other parents would react. You can't base other people's feelings and thoughts on your own.

wow, interesting...

You said nothing when someone questioned us what and how we reacts when our own child are murdered but you said something when I said something opposite ... *scratch my head*

You are on one sided. I am on both sided because EVERY including murder victims and serial killers do have parents. You make a simple assumption without ask me first.. Interesting... For your information, I had an experience/involve with abuser-victim relationship, intrude, etc in real life and know what kind of feeling I have. I watch feeling of both side and myself in real life. Next time, please don´t make assume. :ty:
 
You really are naive. A little life experiece and knowledge should serve to temper some of that judgemental attitude. And perhaps paying a little closer attention to what you are learning in that psychology class.

Yes I saw his/her post and was like *sigh :roll:*. I can see that she/he have lack of knowledge and feeling.
 
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