The Deaf Community

HHIssues said:
May I ask what's your hearing loss range? Cause, and I may be mistaken, I suspect that you may be just hard of hearing. If that's the case, then you ought to try to see if there are other organizations that tend to be populated among the hard of hearing. For instance, like the Hearing Loss Association of America in the States. Although I do not know if there's one in your country?
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It should not matter what her hearing loss range is. She's entitled to come here.
 
Thank you Alley Cat :)

HHIssues, I have been very open about my dB and personal experiences in my posts here. I don't feel the need to repeat myself.
 
shel90 said:
Should the Deaf community accept hearing people calling deafness defective or that Deaf people need to improve themselves by getting CIs or seeking a cure.? Or that we should assimilate in the hearing world fully>
If so, why?

If not, why not?

For me...NO...because we have the right to be comfortable with our deafness and be respected as contributing citizens to this country. No, we may not live our lives the hearing way but as long as we are contributing to society, why complain about us wanting to stay in the Deaf community and using ASL as our language?
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Following on from my last comment. We should remember the topic of the thread.
 
I am mildly hoh...but I found that things like HLAA doesn't quite resonate with me, and I have investigated it. The things I find valuable - and which I do find here - are missing or not much part of stuff with certain other groups.
 
HHIssues said:
I don't know, you answer the question, you asked the question to begin with.
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I have stated the money trail on profitng off the deaf..

Now im asking you how can i profit when i want everyone in the deaf community to have a decent education and a job?

What is in it for me? I dont see your reasoning.

Just like any of your posts... always a question, never bringing any real validity up front.
 
HHIssues said:
Force him to be someone he's not? Isn't that kind of saying that there is this "deaf identity" that should apply to all deaf people, particularly deaf children? And if they do not have this "deaf identity" that you think all deaf children should have, he or she is being forced to "be someone they're not". Just cause you may have some cultural ties indicate you have the right to apply this "deaf identity" on all deaf people, particularly on all deaf children...
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You see, she was raised oral and now finds happiness in what she preaches.. Sorry you don't see it this way.
 
HHIssues said:
Again, who are YOU to determine how ALL of the deaf should live or how ALL of the deaf children should be raised?

How would you feel if someone that doesn't use the wheelchair determines how ALL those that does use the wheelchair should live or how ALL children that does use the wheelchair be raised?

The fact that you seem to tiptoe around the issue and won't answer the above questions does put it in perspective that you probably wouldn't like it if was the other way around...
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the second paragraph makes it perfectly clear.. why should we allow the hearing people to determine how we are raised and how we do things??

The reason she understands this more than many is because shes in a wheelchair and does not want anyone to tell her what to do. she is who she is. She can relate with the deaf community. The same goes for minorities.
 
From my observations, the deaf community consists of deaf folks that want to be part of a separate sub culture and some that don't. The same applies to hearing communities with people coming from diverse heritages. Some want to assimilate into the native culture and some don't. I say live and let live. I also support cultural preservation as long as it is not by providing mis-information or spun or skewed information to do so.

At the end of the day assuming all information is accurate and truthful, you will still have those that decide not to be a part of the deaf culture. In fact (and please correct me if I am wrong) it is my understanding that the d/Deaf sub culture only exists in the USA and not so much in other countries.
 
rockdrummer said:
From my observations, the deaf community consists of deaf folks that want to be part of a separate sub culture and some that don't. The same applies to hearing communities with people coming from diverse heritages. Some want to assimilate into the native culture and some don't. I say live and let live. I also support cultural preservation as long as it is not by providing mis-information or spun or skewed information to do so.

At the end of the day assuming all information is accurate and truthful, you will still have those that decide not to be a part of the deaf culture. In fact (and please correct me if I am wrong) it is my understanding that the d/Deaf sub culture only exists in the USA and not so much in other countries.
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When the Gallaudet protest happened, support spewed from every corner all over the world. China, Kenya, Sweden, South America, all over.

Deaf Community is ALL over the world. Thats why it will be easy for me to travel, I already know people all over the world.
 
rockdrummer said:
From my observations, the deaf community consists of deaf folks that want to be part of a separate sub culture and some that don't. The same applies to hearing communities with people coming from diverse heritages. Some want to assimilate into the native culture and some don't. I say live and let live. I also support cultural preservation as long as it is not by providing mis-information or spun or skewed information to do so.

At the end of the day assuming all information is accurate and truthful, you will still have those that decide not to be a part of the deaf culture. In fact (and please correct me if I am wrong) it is my understanding that the d/Deaf sub culture only exists in the USA and not so much in other countries.
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The d/Deaf culture is very much alive and existing in other countries. :)
 
HHIssues said:
May I ask what's your hearing loss range? Cause, and I may be mistaken, I suspect that you may be just hard of hearing. If that's the case, then you ought to try to see if there are other organizations that tend to be populated among the hard of hearing. For instance, like the Hearing Loss Association of America in the States. Although I do not know if there's one in your country?
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Why don't you go to HLAA instead of this forum? You'll fit in there much better. :wave:

Besides, the degree of hearing loss is not an important factor in this forum.
 
BecLak said:
I was responding to #524 - Which quotes you, FJ, and PFH's response to your comment about him.

I don't see you as an easy target, I see that you have a very prejudicial bias that you insist on pushing on others, which distracts from the topic of the thread and into petty arguments that are of no worth. I am not alone in saying you refuse to see yourself.
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The idea that I am "prejudiced" is ridiculous. I support and advocate for ASL. My daughter uses ASL. She attended a bi-bi school. I took classes to become fluent in ASL so my daughter could communicate with me no matter what. I push for ASL with other parents so hard that I have been warned by other groups (and even on this very forum) that I was talking too heavily about the cons of oral only (cognitive issues, delays, permanente literacy issues) that it was scaring the poor newbies.

This is all because I choose to support parents and families REGARDLESS of their choice. I believe that ALL choices (even holy ASL) have downsides. I believe that children can be, and are, successful using MANY different languages and modalities. I believe that the key is early identification, motivated parents, shared language and access to high quality professionals. And I believe that is true for regardless of whether a parent choices an AV lifestyle or voice off ASL with no therapy or amplification.

There is no one right way. Anyone who believes that there are no downsides to their "path" is either a fool or a liar. You have no idea why a parent makes the choices they do, you have no idea the complications in their life, or the resources available to them. Who are you to judge?

Yes, I believe that oral only can work. Why? Because I have met SO MANY deaf adults who grew up and are oral and are happy about it. They advocate for oralism for other children. Yes, you (general you) may have grown up and hated it, struggled every day and then were ecstatic when you found the ease of communication that came with ASL. YES, I BELIEVE YOU! That is why I chose to give ASL to my daughter, so that no matter what she could always understand and communicate. But guess what, there are many others who have a totally different experience. I accept that. People have different experiences. Who am I to deny their happiness?

I have met adults on both sides. Deaf teachers of the Deaf on both sides, deaf people who know ASL on both sides. I have seen successful children using SEE, ASL, cuing, TC and spoken language. I have seen successful teens and young adults using all modalities as well. I know deaf people who advocate for each one of those things. So, in this messy world, why is it so horrible that I believe that a family should chose what works for THEIR child? I have NEVER advocated staying with a method that is failing, or even advocated for eliminating a choice.

The "prejudice" and "bias" you believe you see is actually seeing ALL perspectives rather than one.
 
posts from hell said:
When the Gallaudet protest happened, support spewed from every corner all over the world. China, Kenya, Sweden, South America, all over.

Deaf Community is ALL over the world. Thats why it will be easy for me to travel, I already know people all over the world.
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I understand about deaf community being all over the world. What I understand is that d/Deaf Culture is an American thing. Deaf community does not equal d/Deaf culture if I understand correctly.
 
Jiro said:
right

Primary Oral --> Secondary ASL
Primary ASL --> Secondary Oral

but which method of communication would yield a more reliable result?
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I know I'm way behind on this thread and I don't mean to derail it more, but I just wanted to answer and say that for me, primary ASL --> secondary oral is definitely the more reliable result in terms of education, social, and language development.
 
rockdrummer said:
I understand about deaf community being all over the world. What I understand is that d/Deaf Culture is an American thing. Deaf community does not equal d/Deaf culture if I understand correctly.
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Its def not an american thing. It has happened 700 years ago in europe and has spread over here. We have that connection and history.
 
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posts from hell said:
rockdrummer said:
I understand about deaf community being all over the world. What I understand is that d/Deaf Culture is an American thing. Deaf community does not equal d/Deaf culture if I understand correctly.
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Its def not an american thing. It has happened 700 years ago in europe and has spread over here. We have that connection and history.
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He might be talking about a certain British blogger.
 
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