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shel90 said:
Yea, he does speak with him but when I am around, he uses ASL with him. Sometimes, my son wont sign back and I always have to ask them what they are saying. It can be challenging at times but we all are working on it.
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I figured as much, but I didn't want her assuming that he was in a deaf only household. I think she knows, but I just didn't want her assuming, ya know?
 
KristinaB said:
I figured as much, but I didn't want her assuming that he was in a deaf only household. I think she knows, but I just didn't want her assuming, ya know?
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Thanks...


even with a hearing dad and being babysat by his hearing grandmother in his first 2 years 5 days of the week, he still had language delays.

I was the one who noticed something wasnt right when he was 18 months old and took action. We had worked hard with him and now he will be 5 in two weeks and has no issues with either languages. :)
 
faire_jour said:
That reminds me...why hasn't anyone responded to PFH's reverse audism that I mentioned earlier??
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Because it's not true :) I don't bother to reply to that because... its laughable.

I'd like you to show me the post that clearly demonstrates the reverse audism. So far I've demeaned the people who obviously can't read.
 
GrendelQ said:
I don't see how this is constructive -- every single one of us -- you included (me too) -- has asked questions on this forum that someone, somewhere, may have previously answered in some other context, addressing some other question or person, or even months back in the same thread. I sure don't have the CVs and educational background of every person on this forum memorized, and just as I might say to a colleague I know well 'you went to what school, again?, there's no offense in asking a straight up question that's relevant to the immediate discussion. These threads can go long and get really wound up -- sometimes it's hard to recognize any relationship with the orig. post after a few pages.

It's so easy to get all trigger happy, I know, I've done it myself and more often regretted it than not, but it's getting crazy how people just keeping calling each other out on a personal level rather than addressing issues and getting past misunderstandings by clarifying. Get past this, all of you. All of us.
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I understand that - if it happens once, twice.. But the same person asks me the same questions here and there and there, then asks me the different same questions here and there and there... Nothing is getting registered..

I'm making the point.... if you dont want to be ridiculed... don't waste my time by making me repeat myself, especially when its OBVIOUS that many know the answer.
 
posts from hell said:
I understand that - if it happens once, twice.. But the same person asks me the same questions here and there and there, then asks me the different same questions here and there and there... Nothing is getting registered..

I'm making the point.... if you dont want to be ridiculed... don't waste my time by making me repeat myself, especially when its OBVIOUS that many know the answer.
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It is imperative when you enter a thread of discussion that you read through all the comments thoroughly. I have seen that FJ has a habit of jumping into the thread without doing her homework on the discussion. Hence, she misses comments and goes totally off the rails. It is like she is wearing blinkers and cannot see beyond her own prejudicial bias.

One skilled in conversationdiscussion/debate can always stay on track despite it being derailed by others.

I empathize with you having to continually and unnecessarily repeat yourself PFH. It is frustrating for those who really want to contribute to the thread.
 
BecLak said:
It is imperative when you enter a thread of discussion that you read through all the comments thoroughly. I have seen that FJ has a habit of jumping into the thread without doing her homework on the discussion. Hence, she misses comments and goes totally off the rails. It is like she is wearing blinkers and cannot see beyond her own prejudicial bias.

One skilled in conversationdiscussion/debate can always stay on track despite it being derailed by others.

I empathize with you having to continually and unnecessarily repeat yourself PFH. It is frustrating for those who really want to contribute to the thread.
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Actually, you are quite wrong. I do not post unless I read the thread from the beginning. And you will notice that I comment on each thought I am responding to as I read them. You either have me confused with someone else, chose to pick me because I am an easy target, or you yourself are commenting having not actually read the thread. In fact, I was not the person who PFH was responding to at all. I did not ask the question, you just think I am disliked, so you thought you could throw out another insult and get cheered on :roll:
 
I was responding to #524 - Which quotes you, FJ, and PFH's response to your comment about him.

I don't see you as an easy target, I see that you have a very prejudicial bias that you insist on pushing on others, which distracts from the topic of the thread and into petty arguments that are of no worth. I am not alone in saying you refuse to see yourself.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I don't want to derail your point here.

But, I want to make a point on the flip side. I have a friend who is profoundly deaf and grew up oral only. She was taught to speak and is completely immersed in the hearing world. She wore HA's up until she was in her early 20s when she was pressured into getting a CI. She caved to the pressure and got it. It nearly killed her due to meningitis. That aside....

Here is a woman who finally learned ASL as an adult, but has to use Sim-Com because she grew up in an oral environment. She is truly caught between both worlds. To her credit, she never complains. As her friend and knowing her like I do (for 9 yrs now), I find it SAD that she has had to fight to assert her identity as a deaf person. SHE IS deaf; yet the people around her consider her deafness a nuisance. There have been people in her life who have tried to force her into being something she's not....hearing.

I admire her greatly for putting up with the crap with the grace that she does. She does the eye roll. She just lets certain people :blah: on and on, and goes on about her business.

But, really? Here's what I don't get... WHY do the hearing force this on the deaf? To me, it's unnatural (and not to mention cruel to force a child with an HA to speech read people during all their waking hrs).

I will admit that she has told me that since she has gotten her CI, it has made speech reading easier, but she still needs to speech read. She does NOT understand speech at all unless she does. She also is realiant on sound. She needs it. Incidently, she had decent residiual hearing, so there really was no NEED for her to get the CI, but, like I said... People forced it upon her.
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Again, who are YOU to determine how ALL of the deaf should live or how ALL of the deaf children should be raised?

How would you feel if someone that doesn't use the wheelchair determines how ALL those that does use the wheelchair should live or how ALL children that does use the wheelchair be raised?

The fact that you seem to tiptoe around the issue and won't answer the above questions does put it in perspective that you probably wouldn't like it if was the other way around...
 
Oceanbreeze said:
...and, some pay dearly.

Oral skills are good to have, but, a person shouldn't have oral only forced on them; especially a child.

I think, we the hearing, needs to honor the identity of the deaf person. Instead of forcing them to meet our ideal, we should be meeting theirs.

I will also again beat the drum for a cooperation between the hearing and deaf. Only when the two can come together and cooperate will we see change and will things be better.
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Again, who are YOU to decide what this "deaf identity" should be...?
 
posts from hell said:
The more you talk, the more of an idiot you seem - please go and take the time to read.. or learn how to read, instead of 'listening to the forum' like frisky said, yer not hearing much here....

heh.. people just kill me..
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Are you perhaps "afraid" to answer the question...?

And again I'm asking you a simple question, have you ever taken the oral, auditory, lipreading, mainstreaming route yourself...?
 
shel90 said:
As long as he is happy and thriving..that's all it matters. Why force him to be someone he is not? I am not interested in the race but interested in exposing my son to as many cultures and diversity.
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Force him to be someone he's not? Isn't that kind of saying that there is this "deaf identity" that should apply to all deaf people, particularly deaf children? And if they do not have this "deaf identity" that you think all deaf children should have, he or she is being forced to "be someone they're not". Just cause you may have some cultural ties indicate you have the right to apply this "deaf identity" on all deaf people, particularly on all deaf children...
 
posts from hell said:
I'm making the point.... if you dont want to be ridiculed... don't waste my time by making me repeat myself, especially when its OBVIOUS that many know the answer.
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Or could it be you're just using that as a "mirage" or as a "front", going for the attack when you're perhaps "stumped for an answer..."?
 
BecLak said:
It is imperative when you enter a thread of discussion that you read through all the comments thoroughly. I have seen that FJ has a habit of jumping into the thread without doing her homework on the discussion. Hence, she misses comments and goes totally off the rails. It is like she is wearing blinkers and cannot see beyond her own prejudicial bias.

One skilled in conversationdiscussion/debate can always stay on track despite it being derailed by others.

I empathize with you having to continually and unnecessarily repeat yourself PFH. It is frustrating for those who really want to contribute to the thread.
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Some of you cut FJ some slack rather than letting the emotions get the best of you. That if you read carefully to what FJ says, she's actually more the "middle of the road" than you think or make her out to be...
 
BecLak said:
Many deaf come here to find solace from the hearing world.
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May I ask what's your hearing loss range? Cause, and I may be mistaken, I suspect that you may be just hard of hearing. If that's the case, then you ought to try to see if there are other organizations that tend to be populated among the hard of hearing. For instance, like the Hearing Loss Association of America in the States. Although I do not know if there's one in your country?
 
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