Terrorist attack foiled aboard U.S. jetliner

kokonut said:
First you said that it was that the "system" includes passengers when they cannot because this "system" is about preventative measures, not about after the fact prevention and this whole near Christmas disaster was predicted on the fact that a detonator failed to work properly.

Secondly, Napolitano said the system didn't work as it should. It failed. Luckily it wasn't a catastrophic failure but a failure nonetheless.

Thirdly, for the "system" to work it includes not just in the U.S. but outside as well. If anything along the way breaks down, the "system" failed.

Repeat after me.

The...system....failed.

Now, officials have to trace these steps going back a few years to the present to see exactly where communications and preventive measures broke down along the line that led up to this whole near-catastrophic incident.
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so any comment about the massive judgment error by Dutch ticket agent for letting him on flight with no passport?
 
interesting.... no comment on Dutch ticket agent's judgment error in allowing a man with no passport on flight? not a single word regarding this throughout this entire thread?

un......real.....
 
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AbdulMutallab's trip originated in Lagos, Nigeria. There, he did not check in a bag as he flew on a KLM flight to Amsterdam, said Harold Demuren, director-general of Nigeria's Civil Aviation Authority.

Demuren said the suspect underwent regular screening -- walking through a metal detector and having his shoulder bag scanned through an X-ray machine.

He then underwent "secondary screening" at the boarding gate for the KLM flight, according to officials of the Dutch airline.

In Amsterdam, AbdulMutallab boarded the Northwest Airlines flight to the United States.

The Netherlands' national coordinator for counterterrorism told CNN that AbdulMutallab had gone through "normal security procedures" in Amsterdam before boarding the flight to Detroit.
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shocking..... looks like Amsterdam airport's security system is an EPIC FAIL.... especially the part where a Dutch ticket agent allowed him in plane when he has no passport..... :nono:

and we did our part....
"After his father contacted the embassy recently, we coded his visa file so that, had he attempted to renew his visa months from now, it would have triggered an in-depth review of his application," a U.S. official said.

The embassy -- which has law enforcement, security and intelligence representatives on staff -- reported the father's concern to other agencies, the official said.
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Do you know that both the Dutch and American authorities are working together on why this "system" failed? Do you know that this "system" isn't mutually exclusive from other countries that are destination points for entry into the U.S.? The "system" is a collaborative effort, not a lone effort. Officials already concede that the "system" failed miserably. End of story. Now, the efforts begin to try and improve this "system" even further.

Next time, do not include passengers as part of the "system" because they are in fact *outside* of that "system" in the first place when it comes to preventative security measures.
 
kokonut said:
Do you know that both the Dutch and American authorities are working together on why this "system" failed? Do you know that this "system" isn't mutually exclusive from other countries that are destination points for entry into the U.S.? The "system" is a collaborative effort, not a lone effort. Officials already concede that the "system" failed miserably. End of story. Now, the efforts begin to try and improve this "system" even further.

Next time, do not include passengers as part of the "system" because they are in fact *outside* of that "system" in the first place when it comes to preventative security measures.
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so who did the security screening for this man? and who let the man with no passport aboard the flight?
 
kokonut said:
Next time, do not include passengers as part of the "system" because they are in fact *outside* of that "system" in the first place when it comes to preventative security measures.
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we are always part of the system. The authority counts on us to be diligent of our surroundings and to report any suspicious activity. There are always a hero in every averted situation - sometimes not. We are part of the system.

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First it's the prior red flags that were waving that didn't get reported and placed properly in the terrorist watch list database that is the base and bulk of our security prevenative measures. His name has been on a government database of people with possible ties to terrorism. All names are screened. Unfortunately, despite many red flags he wasn't put on a no-fly list. One of the many lapses of error that led up to this near catastrophic incident.

The "system" failed. The officials are NOT saying that the "system" is a success, either. Except, maybe you?
 
Jiro said:
we are always part of the system. The authority counts on us to be diligent of our surroundings and to report any suspicious activity. There are always a hero in every averted situation - sometimes not. We are part of the system.

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You watch way too many Matrix movies. You do know that the movie isn't real, right?

The whole premise behind a security system is to prevent such an event from happening. It's a designed preventative measure to protect innocent people. The passengers were given no choice but to protect themselves at the very last minute as the plane began landing. That was inevitable. This clearly, clearly shows that the "system" failed miserably. White House officials agree with me. Had the "system" been a success the perpetrator would've been nabbed or stopped from boarding a flight to America. The "system" is broke and that doesn't inspire much confidence to air travelers.

We should follow the same kind of security protocols on measures seen at the Ben Gurien airport. Take the time to learn in what and how they do it before chalking up our "system" as a success next time.

Tsk...
 
kokonut said:
You watch way too many Matrix movies. You do know that the movie isn't real, right?
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is your radar off? :lol:

kokonut said:
The whole premise behind a security system is to prevent such an event from happening. It's a designed preventative measure to protect innocent people. The passengers were given no choice but to protect themselves at the very last minute as the plane began landing. That was inevitable. This clearly, clearly shows that the "system" failed miserably. White House officials agree with me. Had the "system" been a success the perpetrator would've been nabbed or stopped from boarding a flight to America. The "system" is broke and that doesn't inspire much confidence to air travelers.

We should follow the same kind of security protocols on measures seen at the Ben Gurien airport. Take the time to learn in what and how they do it before chalking up our "system" as a success next time.

Tsk...
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so any comment about the massive judgment error by Dutch ticket agent for letting him on flight with no passport?
 
To those trying to win a battle against Koko:

If a man from Egypt went to Russia and there he shot a man from Switzerland, according to Koko, it would be Obama's fault. Everywhere there's a clogged toilet, it's Obama's fault. Every piece of moldy bread, every broken finger: it's Obama's fault.

There's no point in arguing with a lunatic. You. Just. Won't. Win. :)
 
Loghead said:
To those trying to win a battle against Koko:

If a man from Egypt went to Russia and there he shot a man from Switzerland, according to Koko, it would be Obama's fault. Everywhere there's a clogged toilet, it's Obama's fault. Every piece of moldy bread, every broken finger: it's Obama's fault.

There's no point in arguing with a lunatic. You. Just. Won't. Win. :)
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This is about the State Department's failure to stop a person from bringing aboard an explosive device. Janet Napolitano already admitted that their system failed miserably.

There were two opportunities the State had to stop Umar Abdulmutallab from getting aboard a flight to the U.S. by denying him his visa via U.S. embassies since his name was in the database of suspected terrorists and with the crucial information that should have kept him out of the US all within 24 hours of each other. The State failed to make the connection. Why not even admit this and learn from this serious flaw and mistake to improve the "system"?

According to a law enforcement source, the first failure came on Nov. 19, 2009, the very same day Abdulmutallab father’s, Dr. Umaru Mutallab, a prominent banking official in Nigeria, expressed deep concern to officials at the U.S. Embassy in Abjua, Nigeria, that his 23-year-old son had fallen under the influence of “religious extremists” in Yemen.

The second failure to flag an active visa belonging to Abdulmuttalab occurred the very next day in Washington, after Mutallab’s concerns were forwarded to officials there. It was only after the Christmas Day terror attack in Detroit that U.S. officials learned that Abdulmuttalab had been issued a visa by the U.S. Embassy in London valid from June 16, 2008, through June 12, 2010.
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U.S. Failed to Catch Suspect's Active Visa - CBS News

Either admit that the "system" failed else you'd be saying it was a success. How was it a success then? Please explain.

Remember, this "system" by the State Department is a proactive measure designed to protect innocent people and not a reactive measure. A reactive measure would be too late, people would be dead already. In this case, passengers *reacted* to the failed explosion but put out a deadly fire that reached the plane cabin's ceiling which could have turned out to be a deadly consequence but wasn't....fortunately for the people on that flight. Had the State Department been more *proactive* this wouldn't have happened.
 
Jiro said:
such as who? I'm curious

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If you're going to put pictures in please describe it. This will help those who may not have access to an embedded picture. Twice already in this thread you didn't describe two pictures. Let's not be discriminatory here.

Addendum: actually, two same pictures and a different one weren't described at all.
 
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