Terrorist attack foiled aboard U.S. jetliner

[Jiro]

Why did Janet Napolitano say the system "worked" when it didn't when it was a failed detonator that prevented the explosion?
CQ Politics | CQ Transcript: Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano on CNN?s ?State of the Union?

huh??? exactly what are you nitpicking on?

and yes the "system" worked... because the passengers and flight crew took immediate action by preventing terrorist from accomplishing his mission. I thought you were bitching about we citizens being coddled as sheep taking no action against government?

...And one thing I’d like to point out is that the system worked. Everybody played an important role here. The passengers and crew of the flight took appropriate action. Within literally an hour to 90 minutes of the incident occurring, all 128 flights in the air had been notified to take some special measures in light of what had occurred on the Northwest Airlines flight. We instituted new measures on the ground and at screening areas, both here in the United States and in Europe, where this flight originated.

Would you rather that flight crews and passengers just sit around with their heads in the sand and let terrorist attempt to blow it up when the primary detonation failed?

 

[kokonut]

When did the "system" includes passengers? The passengers on that flight are to think that they were supposed to be part of the system? The idea of a system working is to ensure that a bomb doesn't get on board an airplane. In this instance this "system" failed miserably.

If the “system” had “worked,” and not involve the passengers in the first place, the U.S. consular officials who granted Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab a short-term visa last June would have revoked it immediately upon being informed by his father that he was a Muslim radical with al Qaeda ties.

If the “system” had “worked,” and not involve the passengers in the first place, U.S. consular officials would have never granted Abdulmutallab — a rootless, young, single male — a visa in the first place in compliance with State Department visa regulation 214(b):

That law requires an applicant to show strong roots in his home country — such as a house, a spouse, and/or employment — in order to prove that he would be likely to return home when his visa expired.

Young, single, unemployed men are the people most often refused visas under 214(b) (when it is actually enforced) for the very reasons that al Qaeda recruits them so heavily: They are shiftless and have very little to stop them from packing up and moving to a new country. There’s also, sadly, very little to prevent them from committing terrorist attacks.

Joel Mowbray on State Department & Visas on National Review Online

If the “system” had “worked,” Abdulmutallab would have been completely barred from the U.S. This is exactly what Britain did.
Airline bomber was barred from Britain - Times Online

The system does not include passengers. Anybody can see that. Even Napolitano finally admitted that. Yes, Napolitano finally admitted that the "system" didn't work as it was supposed to.

"Our system did not work in this instance" - Janet Napolitano on the Today Show with Matt Lauer asking that question how can you (Janet) say that the system worked as she has said earlier when it was the detonator that failed that prevented a potential airline disaster?
Today Show Video Player

Remember, it was a failed detonator that prevented this whole thing, not the "system." LOL.

What a miserable failure.

 

[Jiro]

When did the "system" includes passengers? The passengers on that flight are to think that they were supposed to be part of the system? The idea of a system working is to ensure that a bomb doesn't get on board an airplane. In this instance this "system" failed miserably.

If the “system” had “worked,” and not involve the passengers in the first place, the U.S. consular officials who granted Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab a short-term visa last June would have revoked it immediately upon being informed by his father that he was a Muslim radical with al Qaeda ties.

If the “system” had “worked,” and not involve the passengers in the first place, U.S. consular officials would have never granted Abdulmutallab — a rootless, young, single male — a visa in the first place in compliance with State Department visa regulation 214(b):



Joel Mowbray on State Department & Visas on National Review Online

If the “system” had “worked,” Abdulmutallab would have been completely barred from the U.S. This is exactly what Britain did.
Airline bomber was barred from Britain - Times Online

The system does not include passengers. Anybody can see that. Even Napolitano finally admitted that. Yes, Napolitano finally admitted that the "system" didn't work as it was supposed to.

"Our system did not work in this instance" - Janet Napolitano on the Today Show with Matt Lauer asking that question how can you (Janet) say that the system worked as she has said earlier when it was the detonator that failed that prevented a potential airline disaster?
Today Show Video Player

Remember, it was a failed detonator that prevented this whole thing, not the "system." LOL.

What a miserable failure.

again - still not sure what you're implying about or nitpicking on... but as usual - a lame duck bash against Obama Administration.

In case you forgot... this whole thing wouldn't happen if the Dutch airport ticket agent didn't let him on the flight for not having a passport. Apparently - the "system" in Amsterdam failed.

 

[Jiro]

let me repeat again - ZERO terrorist attack on American soil so far......

our system works but apparently - the Dutch system didn't work.

 

[kokonut]

Remember, the "system" does NOT include passengers. The system as it is to suppose to work is designed to prevent a terrorist from getting on board an airplaneto cause harm and mayhem. If the “system” had “worked,” Abdulmutallab would have been completely barred from the U.S. This is exactly what Britain did.

Funny to include passengers as part of the system for it to "work." LOL

 

[Jiro]

Remember, the "system" does NOT include passengers. The system as it is to suppose to work is designed to prevent a terrorist from getting on board an airplaneto cause harm and mayhem. If the “system” had “worked,” Abdulmutallab would have been completely barred from the U.S. This is exactly what Britain did.

Funny to include passengers as part of the system for it to "work." LOL

and remember - if the system worked, the Dutch ticket agent wouldn't let him on the flight for not having passport.

 

[kokonut]

and remember - if the system worked, the Dutch ticket agent wouldn't let him on the flight for not having passport.

Er, if he was actually on the no-fly list and that he was barred from entering the U.S. then he couldn't have gotten on that plane. Remember that next time. Remember also, the "system" does NOT include passengers as a security measure.

 

[Jiro]

Er, if he was actually on the no-fly list and that he was barred from entering the U.S. then he couldn't have gotten on that plane. Remember that next time. Remember also, the "system" does NOT include passengers as a security measure.

why are you fixated on America's fault in this? Remember - it was the Dutch ticket agent who messed up. No ticket agent with common sense and strict duty would ever let a person aboard the flight with no passport.

If he got on the flight with passport, then you have a perfectly valid case there... but you don't. It's odd that you are not making any slightest complaint about Dutch ticket agent. Clearly... an agenda right there

 

[kokonut]

and yes the "system" worked... because the passengers and flight crew took immediate action by preventing terrorist from accomplishing his mission.

Once again, Security System Failed, Napolitano Acknowledges.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us/29terror.html

As anybody would know, for a system to work means preventative measures are in place *before* boarding a plane. If a bomb got onto a plane that means the "system" failed....big time. This "system," again, has absolutely nothing to do with passengers since they are not a part of that "system" in the first place. Napolitano realizes that in her face saving attempt on the Today show.

Now, repeat with me along with Napolitano and New York Times, the...system...failed.

 

[Jiro]

Once again, Security System Failed, Napolitano Acknowledges.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us/29terror.html

As anybody would know, for a system to work means preventative measures are in place *before* boarding a plane. If a bomb got onto a plane that means the "system" failed....big time. This "system," again, has absolutely nothing to do with passengers since they are not a part of that "system" in the first place. Napolitano realizes that in her face saving attempt on the Today show.

Now, repeat with me along with Napolitano and New York Times, the...system...failed.

:fruit:

 

[kokonut]

One reason why the system failed because there were no pat downs for all passengers flying to the U.S. Pat downs are now all of a sudden required!

American aviation officials have (now) mandated that airports across the world pat down passengers on flights headed to the United States, a practice that in the past has also raised privacy objections.

Next, full body electronic scans.

 

[Jiro]

One reason why the system failed because there were no pat downs for all passengers flying to the U.S. Pat downs are now all of a sudden required!

Next, full body electronic scans.

1. PRIMARY reason why it failed - the Dutch ticket agent allowed a man with no passport on flight....

2. Secondly - a question for you. How and Why are we responsible for foreign airports? I didn't know our authority and jurisdiction reach that far.

btw - do you have a source for that statement?

 

[kokonut]

Nice back peddling....as usual.

Repeat with me.

The...system...failed.

Funny how Gibbs said that the system worked when it failed miserably seeing that an actual bomb actually got placed on an airplane!

Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesman, echoed the positive comments Ms. Napolitano made on ABC’s “This Week, ” saying in an interview on “Face the Nation” on CBS that “in many ways, this system has worked.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us/29terror.html

What's next? Call this a potentially "man caused disaster" and not a terrorist act?

 

[Jiro]

Nice back peddling....as usual.

Repeat with me.

The...system...failed.

Funny how Gibbs said that the system worked when it failed miserably seeing that an actual bomb actually got placed on an airplane!



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us/29terror.html

What's next? Call this a potentially "man caused disaster" and not a terrorist act?

we failed? were there TSA agents or any American agents at Dutch airport to perform security protocols on flight passengers bounded for America?

 

[kokonut]

So, now it's a success when Napolitano agreed in her backpeddling attempt that the system actually didn't work and it failed?

Interesting.

 

[Jiro]

For me - Dutch ticket agent

For you - correct me if I'm wrong but is it Obama, Gibbs, Napolitano, and pretty much anybody on Obama Administration?

 

[Jiro]

So, now it's a success when Napolitano agreed in her backpeddling attempt that the system actually didn't work and it failed?

Interesting.

so any comment about the massive judgment error by Dutch ticket agent for letting him on flight with no passport?

 

[kokonut]

Remember, it was Napolitano who said that the system didn't work. Go talk to her.

 

[Jiro]

Remember, it was Napolitano who said that the system didn't work. Go talk to her.

but my problem's with Dutch ticket agent and your problem's with Napolitano. Remind me but who let this man with no passport aboard the flight? Napolitano or Dutch ticket agent?

I'm confused...

 

[kokonut]

First you said that it was that the "system" includes passengers when they cannot because this "system" is about preventative measures, not about after the fact prevention and this whole near Christmas disaster was predicted on the fact that a detonator failed to work properly.

Secondly, Napolitano said the system didn't work as it should. It failed. Luckily it wasn't a catastrophic failure but a failure nonetheless.

Thirdly, for the "system" to work it includes not just in the U.S. but outside as well. If anything along the way breaks down, the "system" failed.

Repeat after me.

The...system....failed.

Now, officials have to trace these steps going back a few years to the present to see exactly where communications and preventive measures broke down along the line that led up to this whole near-catastrophic incident.