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I'm in favor of the Fair Tax.

Americans For Fair Taxation:

It means you support national sale tax at 23% to 30%, that what Fair Tax Act stands for.

For me, Fair Tax Act isn't fair at all because low income people would have pay more than middle income and high income so I believe that anyone who make more money should pay more taxes than others, that what progressive tax is.

There's only way that I praised for Fair Tax Act because it will force illegal immigrants to pay same as us does and tourists would have pay too.
 
There are extreme nutcases in every political organization. That doesn't mean the organization itself is extreme unless those extremes are in their philosophy and mission statement.

I'm talking about people, not in group.

I"m not happy with GOP that has changed in last 20 years, nowhere as alike in 1970's.
 
Do you notice something homogeneous about the members of the group? Just saying. Sort of like when all attorneys were white males.
 
It means you support national sale tax at 23% to 30%, that what Fair Tax Act stands for.

For me, Fair Tax Act isn't fair at all because low income people would have pay more than middle income and high income so I believe that anyone who make more money should pay more taxes than others, that what progressive tax is.

There's only way that I praised for Fair Tax Act because it will force illegal immigrants to pay same as us does and tourists would have pay too.

How do you figure low incomes will pay more???? Same % and less $. Plus most low income people will pay no tax at all. There is an exemption for them. In fact when figure in the exeption the tax is still progressive. I showed the math in a post about 2 months ago.
 
Yup, I know about Tea Party is stands for anti-tax group but for people in this group are mostly conservative on most issues.

They have already shown themselves to be part of the fringe. Their actions speak for themselves. What their mission statement says is moot. Behaviors must be the same as words.
 
How do you figure low incomes will pay more???? Same % and less $. Plus most low income people will pay no tax at all. There is an exemption for them. In fact when figure in the exeption the tax is still progressive. I showed the math in a post about 2 months ago.

It is progressive in the strictest sense only when the loopholes favoring the upper level incomes are closed.
 
How do you figure low incomes will pay more???? Same % and less $. Plus most low income people will pay no tax at all. There is an exemption for them. In fact when figure in the exeption the tax is still progressive. I showed the math in a post about 2 months ago.

Being Devil's advocate...

30% of $100... versus... 30% of $1000.

30% of 100 is $30. That means the person got $70 to spend. 30% of $1,000 is $300. That means the person got $700.

Now... let say... a poor person in Novile have to settle for $30/month rent; $60 for a two-bedroom. Low-end one-bedroom are $60; high-end rent one-bedroom units are $80. The low income is inclined to rent a two-bedroom so they can save $30, because one-bedroom suites are too expense.

The low income is screwed either way.
 
How do you figure low incomes will pay more???? Same % and less $. Plus most low income people will pay no tax at all. There is an exemption for them. In fact when figure in the exeption the tax is still progressive. I showed the math in a post about 2 months ago.

If low income people want buy items that total at $50 so they will have pay 23%-30% tax so they have pay $11.50 (23%) in tax so middle income people want buy items that total at $50 so they will have pay $11.50 (23%) in tax. When low income people are earn less money and pay more taxes than middle income at same total of items at $50, it is unfair.

If you make alot of money so you should pay more taxes than anyone whoever make less money.
 
Being Devil's advocate...

30% of $100... versus... 30% of $1000.

30% of 100 is $30. That means the person got $70 to spend. 30% of $1,000 is $300. That means the person got $700.

Now... let say... a poor person in Novile have to settle for $30/month rent; $60 for a two-bedroom. Low-end one-bedroom are $60; high-end rent one-bedroom units are $80. The low income is inclined to rent a two-bedroom so they can save $30, because one-bedroom suites are too expense.

The low income is screwed either way.

If low income people want buy items that total at $50 so they will have pay 23%-30% tax so they have pay $11.50 (23%) in tax so middle income people want buy items that total at $50 so they will have pay $11.50 (23%) in tax. When low income people are earn less money and pay more taxes than middle income at same total of items at $50, it is unfair.

If you make alot of money so you should pay more taxes than anyone whoever make less money.

My mistake. I thought we were rehashing the Flat tax argument.

Most likely any plan for a National sales tax would only pass with exemptions for necessities and addition luxury taxes for more expensive items. I don't see the fair tax ever passing although it could be designed to work.
 
My mistake. I thought we were rehashing the Flat tax argument.

Most likely any plan for a National sales tax would only pass with exemptions for necessities and addition luxury taxes for more expensive items. I don't see the fair tax ever passing although it could be designed to work.

Oh ok, I believe that is very hard to have big tax reform and repeal of 16th Amendment, it seems don't go far right now.
 
Additional about Fair Tax Act.

I'm suggesting that need repeal of state income tax and state, county, city sale tax because I don't want pay 32% (23%+9%*) or 39% (30%+9%*), that is too much.

Let federal takes care of tax and state, county, city would get money from federal after tax has collected.

*9% is based on sale tax in my area.
 
What is the FairTax plan?

The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 296) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.

The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.

The FairTax:

* Enables workers to keep their entire paychecks
* Enables retirees to keep their entire pensions
* Refunds in advance the tax on purchases of basic necessities
* Allows American products to compete fairly
* Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
* Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding
* Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
* Abolishes the IRS

Americans For Fair Taxation:

The truth: The FairTax actually eliminates and reimburses all federal taxes for those below the poverty line. This is accomplished through the universal prebate and by eliminating the highly regressive FICA payroll tax. Today, low and moderate income Americans pay far more in FICA taxes than income taxes. Those spending at twice the poverty level pay a FairTax of only 11.5 percent -- a rate much lower than the income and payroll tax burden they bear today. Meanwhile, the wealthy pay the 23 percent retail sales tax on their retail purchases.

Under the federal income tax, slow economic growth and recessions have a disproportionately adverse impact on lower-income families. Breadwinners in these families are more likely to lose their jobs, are less likely to have the resources to weather bad economic times, and are more in need of the initial employment opportunities that a dynamic, growing economy provides. Retaining the present tax system makes economic progress needlessly slow and frustrates attempts at upward mobility through hard work and savings, thus harming low-income taxpayers the most.

In contrast, the FairTax dramatically improves economic growth and wage rates for all, but especially for lower-income families and individuals. In addition to receiving the monthly FairTax prebate, these taxpayers are freed from regressive payroll taxes, the federal income tax, and the compliance burdens associated with each. They pay no more business taxes hidden in the price of goods and services, and used goods are tax free.

How can the FairTax generate lower net tax rates for everyone and still pay for the same real government expenditures? The answer is two-fold. Firstly, the tax base is dramatically widened by including consumer spending from the underground economy (estimated at $1.5 trillion annually), and by including illegal immigrants, those who escape their fair share today through loopholes and gimmicks. In addition, 40 million foreign tourists a year will become American taxpayers as consumers here. Secondly, not everyone's average net tax burden falls. For households whose major economic resource is accumulated wealth, the FairTax will deliver a net tax hike compared to the current system.

Consider, for example, your typical billionaire, of which America now has more than 400. These fortunate few are invested primarily in equities on which they pay taxes at a 15 percent rate, whether their income comes in the form of capital gains or dividends. In addition to having the income from their wealth taxed at a low rate, the principal of their wealth is completely untaxed either directly or indirectly. Assuming they and their heirs spend only the income earned on the wealth each year, the tax rate today is 15 percent. In contrast, under the FairTax, the effective tax rate is 23 percent. Hence, the very wealthy will pay more taxes when the FairTax is enacted. In a nutshell, those who spend more will pay more but low, moderate and middle income taxpayers will benefit from the greatest gains in reduced tax liabilities.
 

Sorry, I disagree about Fair Tax Act, they aren't fair and it does hurt low income because of flat tax like employee whoever make $8 per hour will have pay 23% sale tax for $50 Wii game but employee whoever make $40 per hour will have pay 23% sale tax for $50 Wii game, it is unfair at all.

Along with Fair Tax Act, you still have pay state income tax and city/county/state sale tax, that's too overloaded.
 
Sorry, I disagree about Fair Tax Act, they aren't fair and it does hurt low income because of flat tax like employee whoever make $8 per hour will have pay 23% sale tax for $50 Wii game but employee whoever make $40 per hour will have pay 23% sale tax for $50 Wii game, it is unfair at all.

Along with Fair Tax Act, you still have pay state income tax and city/county/state sale tax, that's too overloaded.

No need to buy a game if you can't afford it. It's not a necessity in one's life.
 
Sorry, I disagree about Fair Tax Act, they aren't fair and it does hurt low income because of flat tax like employee whoever make $8 per hour will have pay 23% sale tax for $50 Wii game but employee whoever make $40 per hour will have pay 23% sale tax for $50 Wii game, it is unfair at all.

Along with Fair Tax Act, you still have pay state income tax and city/county/state sale tax, that's too overloaded.

Lesson......People making $8/hr shouldn't buy $50 games. :shrug: If they do it's an entertainment expense.....why should entertainment be cheaper for the poor? If you study that whole page the poor benefit from this plan.
 
Sorry, I disagree about Fair Tax Act, they aren't fair and it does hurt low income because of flat tax like employee whoever make $8 per hour will have pay 23% sale tax for $50 Wii game but employee whoever make $40 per hour will have pay 23% sale tax for $50 Wii game, it is unfair at all.

Along with Fair Tax Act, you still have pay state income tax and city/county/state sale tax, that's too overloaded.
Fair Tax and Flat Tax are not the same thing. Flat Tax is an income tax. Fair Tax is a sales tax, with NO INCOME TAX.

Are you saying that low income people under the present system can truly afford Wii games? Then I guess either their income isn't really so low after all, or they aren't prioritizing their expenses properly.

If they can afford a Wii game, they can afford the tax.
 
No need to buy a game if you can't afford it. It's not a necessity in one's life.

That's not what I was talking, I use "game" for example.

Fair Tax Act does hurt low income so far because they have pay 23% as everyone does.

Other example, low income people are buying $50 value of needs, such as clothes, cleaning purposes, towel, basket, furniture, etc so they will have pay 23% plus sale tax from state, county or city to make final total, If middle class people are buying $50 value of needs so they will have pay 23% too, plus sale tax from city, state, county so it isn't fair because any people who has more money should pay more taxes than anybody who has less money.
 
Lesson......People making $8/hr shouldn't buy $50 games. :shrug: If they do it's an entertainment expense.....why should entertainment be cheaper for the poor? If you study that whole page the poor benefit from this plan.

Again, I'm NOT talking about game or entertainment but it is anything so I use game for example.
 
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