Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

[kokonut]

Again with the "modern." How can you know how many Islamic people in each country would fit your definition of "modern"?

Why is this relevant to the topic?

Dubai in the United Arab Emirates looks pretty darn modern to me.

 

[Eve]

ooooo lot of hate there! You've already seen pix of me prior to this post so let's not lie in here

Ohhhh that's right, you were the blonde tranny! *slaps forehead* I guess I must be biased against all trannies, right? Sorry, hate to burst your bubble, but I even have had cross-dressing friends.

What makes me "racist and a bigot" is your interpretation of what you believe to be my thinking toward this incident.

let me show you what I asked - repost - "yes guess where most of modern Muslims reside in?"

Please support this with some form of documentation other than your own ramblings.

 

[Jiro]

Dubai in the United Arab Emirates looks pretty darn modern to me.

yea.... skyscrapers. but I've never asked which Muslim city has modern skyscrapers.

 

[Jiro]

Ohhhh that's right, you were the blonde tranny! *slaps forehead* I guess I must be biased against all trannies, right? Sorry, hate to burst your bubble, but I even have had cross-dressing friends.

You seem rather fixated on blonde tranny.

What makes me "racist and a bigot" is your interpretation of what you believe to be my thinking toward this incident.

I am not your psychologist. Confer with the professional to go over your posts to establish your way of thinking.

Please support this with some form of documentation other than your own ramblings.

what rambling?

 

[Jiro]

The fact that Hassan perpetrated this act based on religion, sets these two incidents worlds apart.

really? is that a fact? interesting.....

Fort Hood shooting suspect conscious, talking, hospital says

Fort Hood, Texas (CNN) -- Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspect in last week's mass shooting at the Fort Hood Army Post, is conscious and talking, according to a spokesman for the Army hospital where he is being treated.

Authorities have not identified a motive in Thursday's attack that left 13 dead and 42 others wounded.

Hasan, a 39-year-old licensed Army psychiatrist who worked at a hospital on the post, has been identified as the suspected shooter. He was shot several times after the attack. On Sunday, he was listed in critical but stable condition and in intensive care at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas.

Hasan's ventilator was removed over the weekend, and he began talking afterward, hospital spokesman Dewey Mitchell said. He is speaking with hospital staff, but Mitchell was unable to say whether Hasan has been speaking with Army investigators.

The development comes a day after Army investigators asked troops and civilians for help gathering clues about the shooting, saying some who fled the gunfire might have evidence.

"The Fort Hood office of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command is seeking any military or civilian personnel who may have left the scene ... with gunshot damage such as damaged privately owned vehicles, personal clothing, etc.," investigators said in a written statement. "CID is also seeking any military or civilian personnel who may have inadvertently left the scene of this incident with material that could be used as firearms residue-related evidence such as shell casings inside the boot, etc."

The statement said such objects would help Army investigators and the FBI "in their bullet trajectory analysis of the scene, to insure the comprehensiveness of the ongoing investigation."

Among the wounded in the shooting was Pvt. Joseph Foster, 21, who was hit in the hip as he sat at the base's military processing center, preparing paperwork for his January deployment to Afghanistan.

He said he "was sitting in about the second row back when the assailant stood up and yelled 'Allahu akbar' in Arabic and he opened fire," Foster said Monday on CNN's "American Morning."

Foster, 21, said he wasn't clear about whether the gunman said those exact words, noting that "with that much adrenaline, you tend to forget things."

Army officials have voiced concern about jumping to any conclusions about the gunman's motive, warning about a possible backlash against Muslim soldiers. Other bystanders have reported that Hasan shouted the phrase, which is Arabic for "God is great" and has been used by terrorists as a battle cry.

As of Monday, 15 gunshot victims remained hospitalized, including eight patients in intensive care, Fort Hood commander Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said.

The Army leadership at Fort Hood will "take a very hard look at ourselves and look at anything that might have been done to have prevented this," he said at a news conference.

"Hasan was a soldier, and we have other soldiers ... that might have some of the same stress and indicators that he has," Cone said. "We have to look across our entire formation, not just in a medical community, but really look hard to our right and left. That's the responsibility for everybody, from the top to the bottom, to make sure we're taking care of our own."

Cone said Monday that he has instructed commanders at Fort Hood to "immediately take a hard look and make sure if there's anybody out there struggling [that] we're going to address their issues."

Authorities have not identified a motive in the attack at the processing center, where soldiers report before they head to war.

Efforts to assist those affected by the incident, including family members of soldiers at the post, were ongoing, spokesman Col. John Rossi said. Fort Hood was awaiting the arrival of two specialists in child psychology and disaster management, he said. "This is not just for those directly affected by this tragedy," Rossi said, noting that effects from trauma sometimes are not immediately apparent.

However, he said, soldiers are trained to respond to violence by controlling and securing the scene.

"Their training kicks in, and that's what we saw," Rossi said. "The troubling part of it is it happened here in our own house."

Army Criminal Investigation Command spokesman Chris Grey said Saturday that all evidence indicates that the suspect acted alone and there was no indication of "friendly fire."

The processing center has been moved to another location so its work can continue while investigators work at the crime scene, Rossi said Sunday.

He told reporters he did not know Hasan's schedule on the day of the shooting, but "my understanding is that there was no purpose for him" to be in the processing center.

Rossi said he had visited with Fort Hood Police Sgt. Kimberly Munley -- the civilian officer who confronted and disabled Hasan in a shootout -- and with an injured soldier.

"Truthfully, it was an honor just to be in their presence," he said. But, he said, "I cannot tell you how many times they reiterated to me that this is not about them."

Munley has drawn national praise for her actions. Her husband has been brought in from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, to be with her, Rossi said. In a statement Saturday, Munley's family said she had undergone a second surgery and was in good condition.

The suspect's brother, Eyad Hasan, released a statement Saturday saying the family was in a "state of shock and disbelief over this dreadful news."

He wrote, "I've known my brother Nidal to be a peaceful, loving and compassionate person who has shown great interest in the medical field and in helping others. He has never committed an act of violence and was always known to be a good, law-abiding citizen."

Eyad Hasan said the family has faith in the legal system.

An earlier statement from another family member said Hasan, a U.S.-born citizen of Palestinian descent, had been telling his family that he wanted to get out of the military but had been unsuccessful in doing so.

Rossi said Saturday that Hasan had a late November deployment date to Afghanistan. It was to have been his first overseas deployment.

President Obama will speak at Tuesday's memorial service for the shooting victims at Fort Hood, and will meet with victims' families, his spokesman said.

"The president will meet with families of those that lost a loved one last week, as well as speak to the larger memorial that will take place at the base," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said in his daily briefing Monday.

First lady Michelle Obama will accompany the president on the trip, Gibbs said.

that contradicted your post below -

But let's not jump to any conclusions here.

 

[Eve]

Not really...I am sure the government is working overtime thinking of ways to cover this up so that there isn't some backlash.

 

[Jiro]

Not really...I am sure the government is working overtime thinking of ways to cover this up so that there isn't some backlash.

Please support this with some form of documentation other than your own ramblings.

 

[Reba]

so you're telling me countries like Somalia and Afghanistan are as modern as USA? common sense...... Indonesia is not the only one. There are more... like USA and UK.

I didn't say anything about "modern" or "not modern" Islamic countries.

because they do not condone jihad or violence against Westerners nor have violent hatred toward Westerners. It is only those who follows Islamic Fundamentalism.

Are you saying this relates to Hasan?

Since you were able to make distinction about Forde's role in Minutemen,... I wish people have your distinction skill about Muslim people.

I didn't make the distinction; it was clearly written in the article.

I still don't see how this relates to the Fort Hood shooting.

Let's get back on topic, heh?

 

[Reba]

You know that a person is really out there when she's too rouge for a rouge group.

I don't know how much rouge she wore but it was enough to make her a rogue.

 

[kokonut]

Carry on, Reba!

 

[Jiro]

I didn't say anything about "modern" or "not modern" Islamic countries.

Are you saying this relates to Hasan?

yes. A few posters are pinning Hasan's action on Islamic religion... and even went far to say all Muslims should be banned from armed force. I just posted an article saying that the authorities has not established a motive yet. While Hasan was unconscious, we all have seen this many times. That's why we acted quickly to contain the racial war from breaking out.

I didn't make the distinction; it was clearly written in the article.

I still don't see how this relates to the Fort Hood shooting.

Let's get back on topic, heh?

Yes you did make a careful distinction. You POINTED out a tiny fact which is usually left ignored by many. That's why "Minutemen" image has been tarnished as racist vigilantes.

That is why people must calm down and not jump to conclusion. Let's not start anti-Muslim flaming or "Allah Akbar" or Al-Queda or whatsoever. As you said - Hasan is now awake and speaking.

Let's wait and see for facts to unravel.

 

[kokonut]

Speaking of rogue...

 

[Foxrac]

Dubai in the United Arab Emirates looks pretty darn modern to me.

Same with Doha in Qatar.

 

[Reba]

yes. A few posters are pinning Hasan's action on Islamic religion. I just posted an article saying that the authorities has not established a motive yet. While Hasan was unconscious, we all have seen this many times. That's why we acted quickly to contain the racial war from breaking out.

"We"?

Yes you did make a careful distinction. You POINTED out a tiny fact which is usually left ignored by many. That's why "Minutemen" image has been tarnished as racist vigilantes.

Please read the title of your link:

Rogue Minutemen leader held in fatal home invasion - CNN.com

I assume you expected me to read your link. A quick read of the article made it clear that the woman was not a current member of the legitimate Minutemen organization. It wasn't a "tiny fact which is usually left ignored by many." Maybe it was ignored by you but you aren't "many."

I spent many years as an editor--facts, tiny or otherwise--tend to jump out at me.

 

[Jiro]

"We"?

general public.

Please read the title of your link:

Rogue Minutemen leader held in fatal home invasion - CNN.com

I assume you expected me to read your link. A quick read of the article made it clear that the woman was not a current member of the legitimate Minutemen organization. It wasn't a "tiny fact which is usually left ignored by many." Maybe it was ignored by you but you aren't "many."

I spent many years as an editor--facts, tiny or otherwise--tend to jump out at me.

again - it's something that's largely ignored by people. They would be quick to blame Minutemen as well. All they see is an association which forms a preconceived notion. What do you think why Minutemen is having a bad rep?

so let's not be ignorant and be careful of what we read and think.

 

[kokonut]

I agree, Reba. The Minuteman organization has a set protocol on how *legitimate* members to conduct themselves and to operate within the law to support enforcement of the law.

 

[Reba]

again - it's something that's largely ignored by people.

Well, it shouldn't be. "People" should learn to read more carefully.

They would be quick to blame Minutemen as well.

That would be wrong, wouldn't it. That would be jumping to conclusions, kind of like what you don't want people to do in the Hasan case.

All they see is an association which forms a preconceived notion.

Ah, you mean like "they" do in the Hasan/Islamic notion.

What do you think why Minutemen is having a bad rep?

Because "people" don't read carefully or check out the facts before making a judgment?

so let's not be ignorant and be careful of what we read and think.

Um, OK.

 

[kokonut]

Hasan's calling card.

See "SoA"?
Stands for "Soldiers of Allah." And then you have "SWT." Read on.
Major Muslim's Calling Card: "SoA", "Soldier of Allah" - Atlas Shrugs

Also, couldn't help noticed the word "Psychiatrist" beneath those acronyms. Seems to be a recurring theme by people in the field of psychology when they go bonkers themselves.

added: Note the spelling of the word "health," too. Was he a licensed psychiatrist? Looks like he may have printed this up on his own.

 

[Jiro]

Um, OK.

I wasn't referring to you. I know you are not ignorant and you are careful in what you read. I can't say same for general public. let us continue then....

Well, it shouldn't be. "People" should learn to read more carefully.

agreed

That would be wrong, wouldn't it. That would be jumping to conclusions, kind of like what you don't want people to do in the Hasan case.

yes. jumping to conclusion without knowing all facts will get innocent people hurt hence the violence precedes racism and bigotry... as shown in many current events in the past. Now that Hasan's awake... the fact-finding mission can now begin...

Ah, you mean like "they" do in the Hasan/Islamic notion.

yes. see below -

Because "people" don't read carefully or check out the facts before making a judgment?

yes precisely. see below -


Do you agree with these statements?
1.

I think Muslims shouldn't join military, because it could afflict others - IMO.

2.

The fact that Hassan perpetrated this act based on religion, sets these two incidents worlds apart.

 

[Jiro]

Hasan's calling card.

See "SoA"?
Stands for "Soldiers of Allah." And then you have "SWT." Read on.
Major Muslim's Calling Card: "SoA", "Soldier of Allah" - Atlas Shrugs

Also, couldn't help noticed the word "Psychiatrist" beneath those acronyms. Seems to be a recurring theme by people in the field of psychology when they go bonkers themselves.

added: Note the spelling of the word "health," too. Was he a licensed psychiatrist? Looks like he may have printed this up on his own.

let's try spending less time hunting for conspiracy theories and be patient with what authority comes up with. beside - look at the card. an AOL email address? pretty fishy.