Secret Nazi hideout believed found in remote Argentine jungle

[hoichi]

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What was the king? An Italian. Who were the Fascists? Italians. Who conducted the supposed coup? Italians. Who fought the civil war? Italians. Who was their leader? An Italian. Who followed him? The Italians. Who could have (and eventually did) thrown the bum out? Italians.

I didn't say all Italians gave him all their support but those were Italians who followed him. They did not revolt and toss him out prior to WWII, did they?

Yes the king was italian. And no the italian people didnt choose their king. How does that work reba? the king was borN a a king. It was a monarchy. Right and by your very words you accept their was resistance to the fascists. Or are you arguing the fascists where fighting themselves and not those opposed to them?. There was allot of resistance in itayl. Against them. There was some revolts. There were provences thwt where no.go zones for facists at diffrent times. The mafia opposed them in sicily. the commora in compagni, ect. There was resistAnce. one.group was.called the psrtisans. who killed him. And we got rid of the king too, exile.
As for the italians or germans or japanese innocent civilians that died durong that madnass getting what the. Deserve due to the policies of totolitarian governments. Fine.
But do you hold your nation up to the same standard? Yours is a democracy where people actually elect their leaders.and.choose gov polocy. thus have far more Responsibiity for their gov actions then those under a tyranny where their is no free.choice. so reba.
Did the thouands of innocent americans killed during 911 due to the percieved actions or in actions of americas democraticly elected gov deserve to die?
i dont believe or hold.to that opinion. Nor do i hold the opinion that innocent germans, italians, or japanese deseeved it due to their gov poLicies.
history is important. I know many hold relogious ideals over ww2 and i respect that. But i also feel its important to discuss facts rather then fiction. And use critical thinking rather then repeat propoganda. Fact is.
War crimes were commited by all sides in that madness. Unless your arguing carpet bombing and fire bombing entire cities to ash and slaughtering millions of civilians is not a war crime..
are you?

 

[hoichi]

Just add him to ignore list.

I don't have time to debate with him.

No plm. at all.foxrac. good to see you regardless..

 

[hoichi]

When nations like the Axis start brutal wars, how do you expect to end those wars? With slaps on the wrist or polite diplomacy?

I Expect the free world founded on principles of democracy to act rather different then the monters it claims to oppose. In other words. Without resorting to war crimes

 

[CrazyPaul]

Stalin wasn't a friend. We were fighting a common enemy. Right after WWII, the next war, the Cold War, with the Soviets started.

Yeah, after Germany lost, USA was like "WTF are you doing?" to USSR when they claimed several countries like Romania, Poland, part of Germany (East Germany) and a few more countries.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I Expect the free world founded on principles of democracy to act rather different then the monters it claims to oppose. In other words. Without resorting to war crimes

One thing I agree with you is that President Truman was a murderer when he gave a go to those atomic bombs.

 

[Jiro]

One thing I agree with you is that President Truman was a murderer when he gave a go to those atomic bombs.

what? :roll:

 

[Reba]

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Yes the king was italian. And no the italian people didnt choose their king. How does that work reba? the king was borN a a king. It was a monarchy. Right and by your very words you accept their was resistance to the fascists. Or are you arguing the fascists where fighting themselves and not those opposed to them?. There was allot of resistance in itayl. Against them. There was some revolts. There were provences thwt where no.go zones for facists at diffrent times. The mafia opposed them in sicily. the commora in compagni, ect. There was resistAnce. one.group was.called the psrtisans. who killed him. And we got rid of the king too, exile.
As for the italians or germans or japanese innocent civilians that died durong that madnass getting what the. Deserve due to the policies of totolitarian governments. Fine.

I never said that anyone "deserved" to be killed. The ugly fact is, war can't be conducted without casualties. The countries that initiate invasions and attacks should expect to be attacked in return. The leaders of those aggressor nations are the ones responsible for what happens to their people.

But do you hold your nation up to the same standard? Yours is a democracy

Republic.

where people actually elect their leaders.and.choose gov polocy. thus have far more Responsibiity for their gov actions then those under a tyranny where their is no free.choice. so reba.

President, indirectly elected by the people; Congress directly elected.

Did the thouands of innocent americans killed during 911 due to the percieved actions or in actions of americas democraticly elected gov deserve to die?

The people killed on 9/11 were killed by Islamic terrorists, not the actions or inactions of our government, unless you mean intelligence authorities who didn't connect the dots of the plot ahead of time.

i dont believe or hold.to that opinion. Nor do i hold the opinion that innocent germans, italians, or japanese deseeved it due to their gov poLicies.

Again, I never said anyone "deserved" killing. War casualties are a natural consequence of aggressor nations attacking other nations.

history is important. I know many hold relogious ideals over ww2 and i respect that. But i also feel its important to discuss facts rather then fiction. And use critical thinking rather then repeat propoganda. Fact is.
War crimes were commited by all sides in that madness. Unless your arguing carpet bombing and fire bombing entire cities to ash and slaughtering millions of civilians is not a war crime..
are you?

I'm not going to debate broad accusations that you've self-defined. You can start your own thread about specific war crimes and their prosecutions, if you like.

 

[Reba]

One thing I agree with you is that President Truman was a murderer when he gave a go to those atomic bombs.

You aren't called "Crazy" for nothing.

 

[Reba]

As an aside, how many victorious nations helped the losing nations rebuild the way America has?

Compare what happened to territories that came under American control after WWII, and those that came under the Soviets. Compare post-war East/West Berlin. Berlin Airlift anyone?

Also, compare how POW's were treated by each country.

 

[hoichi]

I never said that anyone "deserved" to be killed. The ugly fact is, war can't be conducted without casualties. The countries that initiate invasions and attacks should expect to be attacked in return. The leaders of those aggressor nations are the ones responsible for what happens to their people.

and the leaders on all sides thst used war crimes to pursue their best interests also responsible.

Republic.


President, indirectly elected by the people; Congress directly elected.

Which means your people are responsible for the actions of their gov, which they choose far more then the japanese ever where living under the empeeors will.
Sure..i grant that

The people killed on 9/11 were killed by Islamic terrorists, not the actions or inactions of our government, unless you mean intelligence authorities who didn't connect the dots of the plot ahead of time..

I mean those murderous bastards did what they did, to innocent people using your same logic. Those people choose your gov. Hence they are responsible for your gov percieved actions..or inactions.

Again, I never said anyone "deserved" killing. War casualties are a natural consequence of aggressor nations attacking other nations.

Right comming from a nation, yours founded on genocide...rich reba,,,,very rich....

specific[/I] war crimes and their prosecutions, if you like.

i didnt self define anything. Im asking you a pointed question. Since your nation is a signer of numerous international treaties in regards to the rules and laws of war
Is the slaughter of innocent civilian non combatents via the reducing of entire cities to ash via indiscriminate carpet bombing and fire bombing a war crime or not.
If not, then i guess u have no plm at all for other nations say syria, iran, you name it to use such methods that has suited your nations rise.to dominence so well.
Thats very christian of you

 

[hoichi]

As an aside, how many victorious nations helped the losing nations rebuild the way America has?

Compare what happened to territories that came under American control after WWII, and those that came under the Soviets. Compare post-war East/West Berlin. Berlin Airlift anyone?

Also, compare how POW's were treated by each country.

Sure, your nation has treated the natives who you conqured via your manifest desriny oh so so well
Rich reba, rich.
Your natioms.history is littered with the bodies of murdered natives, and america wants to give moral lessons to other nations ?
Spare me

 

[CrazyPaul]

what? :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

In both cities, most of the dead were civilians, although Hiroshima had a sizable military garrison.

After that, USA promised never to do that again. Why?

“Every positive value has its price in negative terms… the genius of Einstein leads to Hiroshima.” —Pablo Picasso

Do you know how Einstein felt about those bombs?

 

[caz12]

comes as no surprise that where all nazie ran off to after after war

 

[hoichi]

Well said crazypaul. When it comes to war crimes, the nuking of japan is, or nothing is. The japanese and the nazis where hung for war crimws. Yet the vicotors that used weapons on mass destruction, a war crime still to this day pat themselves on the. Back for a job well done.
Its disgusting really.
The lack of intelectual honesty. When it comes to discusing the madness of ww2 and rise of american power and world military supremecy.
Fact is and its a sad fact.
American actions against japan, the nukes, the firebombings, the carpet bombings Were war crimes.
The allied fire bombing and carpet bombing of germany, dresden as an example was a war crime.
If the above are not war crimes, then what is?
Besides bieng on the losing side.
Woe to the vanquished.
Mmmm

 

[Jiro]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

After that, USA promised never to do that again. Why?

huh? promised? never heard of that. why are you making it up? what do you think why we have enough nukes to annihilate this world dozens of times?

“Every positive value has its price in negative terms… the genius of Einstein leads to Hiroshima.” —Pablo Picasso

Do you know how Einstein felt about those bombs?

oh well. deal with it. Einstein should be proud of the fact that those bombs ended the world war in just few days thus saving millions of lives.

I'm pretty sure if Truman went back in time.. he'd do it again and again and again. like Winston Churchill, Truman had made the best decision ever made in the course of humanity that literally saved the world from tyranny.

that sad picture you showed is nothing comparable to what wars would bring if a-bombs were never dropped. just millions more of deaths and sufferings.

and that sad picture is nothing comparable to what Japanese did to Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Malaysians, and the surrounding neighbors for over 30 years. The Americans ended the war in just few days. Done. The A-bomb prevented the Japanese from attacking the entire west coast. Our a-bombs killed only few hundred thousands Japanese people.... whereas Japanese had killed over 30 millions of people from several countries.

why are you blaming Truman as murderer? why aren't you blaming the Japanese for attacking Pearl Harbor? why aren't you blaming the Japanese to stop fighting after the Germans surrendered? The Japanese ignored our warnings and refused to accept the surrendered and continued to extend the Pacific War. It's their fault for our retaliation. we have nothing to be sorry about especially for that poor guy. he should be angry at Japanese Emperor for causing hell. after all... we helped Japan rebuild its country. can you think of any country which does that? helping to rebuild a defeated enemy's country?

and you're sympathizing with the enemy of the world? go leave this country right now. :roll:

 

[Jiro]

Well said crazypaul. When it comes to war crimes, the nuking of japan is, or nothing is. The japanese and the nazis where hung for war crimws. Yet the vicotors that used weapons on mass destruction, a war crime still to this day pat themselves on the. Back for a job well done.
Its disgusting really.
The lack of intelectual honesty. When it comes to discusing the madness of ww2 and rise of american power and world military supremecy.
Fact is and its a sad fact.
American actions against japan, the nukes, the firebombings, the carpet bombings Were war crimes.
The allied fire bombing and carpet bombing of germany, dresden as an example was a war crime.
If the above are not war crimes, then what is?
Besides bieng on the losing side.
Woe to the vanquished.
Mmmm

you surely got everything all backward.

war crimes? simple - look at who started it first.

 

[hoichi]

you surely got everything all backward.

war crimes? simple - look at who started it first.

Who started it doesnt excuse war cRimes. Your sounding like a child in a school yard fight. So the next war america.starts, if an american city gets bombed, firebombed,or nuked, we csn just acceot that and say well gosh, those yanks started it. What if iraq hwd the nukes? And an american gor destroyed? Whoukd you still hols such nonsence? Oh wait, impossible, i forgot, america only invaded countries that dont hsve nukes...of course.
who started it, is irrelvant to rhe actions of the parties involved. During the conflict. This logic woukdnt even save you in court.,"he started it, doesnr excuse your behavour.
The indiscriminate targeting of civikian polulations with weapons of mass destruction is a war crime. Tell me jiro, if the above is not a war crime, what is?
The monsterous bloodletting in ww2, the massive loss of lives, due to the total disregard of innocent civilian populations, the fire bombing of dresden, the blitz of london, the nukes and.firebombing of japan, what is the difference between the above and barbarsim?

so your justifying this by. Stating for.certain the above saves millions. When all that is, is an assumption, based on hindsight, you dont know thAt that one opinion, thats a far cry from fact, . thats A good way to justify any war. Neat trick

 

[Jiro]

Who started it doesnt excuse war cRimes. Your sounding like a child in a school yard fight. So the next war america.starts, if an american city gets bombed, firebombed,or nuked, we csn just acceot that and say well gosh, those yanks started it. What if iraq hwd the nukes? And an american gor destroyed? Whoukd you still hols such nonsence? Oh wait, impossible, i forgot, america only invaded countries that dont hsve nukes...of course.
who started it, is irrelvant to rhe actions of the parties involved. During the conflict. This logic woukdnt even save you in court.,"he started it, doesnr excuse your behavour.
The indiscriminate targeting of civikian polulations with weapons of mass destruction is a war crime. Tell me jiro, if the above is not a war crime, what is?
The monsterous bloodletting in ww2, the massive loss of lives, due to the total disregard of innocent civilian populations, the fire bombing of dresden, the blitz of london, the nukes and.firebombing of japan, what is the difference between the above and barbarsim?

so your justifying this by. Stating for.certain the above saves millions. When all that is, is an assumption, based on hindsight, you dont know thAt that one opinion, thats a far cry from fact, . thats A good way to justify any war. Neat trick

are you saying we cannot and should not defend ourselves when attacked?

ah.... bend over and let'em have it. nice trick indeed that you have.

 

[hoichi]

No.
Im saying there are rules to war, and the use of weapons of mass destruction is a war crime.

 

[Jiro]

No.
Im saying there are rules to war, and the use of weapons of mass destruction is a war crime.

it's just one big bomb. that's all. there's no rule in how big a bomb can be.... like MOAB... or FOAB...

our 203mm howitzer... the largest artillery size available in our military.... many countries use artillery size in 155mm-range and many enemies use even smaller than that...

by your logic... our 203mm badass is a weapon of mass destruction because in your words - *whining high-pitched voice* IT'S NOT FAAAAIIIIIRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!! CUZ RULES ARE RULES!!!!!!

:roll: