Secret Nazi hideout believed found in remote Argentine jungle

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hoichi said:
6 million sure....but that war left hundreds of million of people dead. That is hundreds of millions of people...and americas greatest ally in thay war...stalin killed far far more then 11 million...yet...he was our friend...shhhh. a needes ally...shhhhhhh...hypocrasy...all round. if u ask me.
No one is saying look the otherway...but dont be so nieve to think your peoples fate was even high on the list of the powers that be in that war.
They werent...
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I am not trying to have a contest of who had more people killed during the war , you seen to be playing a number game here. If one person was killed by a Nazi that is one too many!
 
hoichi said:
No i dont defend nazis. Im just pointing out that there was war criminals on all sides in that madnass. and that history is written by the winners. And that nazi war criminals were hung, and so were japanese war criminals. But american and other war criminals on the victor side, stalin, so, on were not.
Its simple. If carpet bombing and fire bombing entire cities to ash, snd thats what occured with huge civilian casulties in the millions, as carpet bombing and fire bombing are indescriminate onslaughts... is not war crime. i fail to see what is.
We can be intelectualy honest with history. If it was just about trying war criminals then i think the american ally stalin who of course was not tried, and went on to slaughter millions needs to be seriously called up here.
War criminals were hung not because of their war.crimes. but because they simply lost.
i hold no sympathy at all for nazis, or communists, or imperalists for that matter. Millions of innocent german folks were killed in that madnass.
That to me is a war crime
As for americas involvement. or i should point out lack of it until perl harbour. america acted in her best interests sure. That doesnt mean those interests were about saving or even at first stopping the nAzis, if it was then.she should of been in the fight right at day one, not A couple years in..
We now are removed from that madness and the propoganda...i think we can honestly look at that war and truly see the mass butchery of it, from all sides for what it was.
My family is italian from foggia. foggia was.carpet bombed and we lost in a weekens 30 thousand people...the vast vast majority of the dead of those 3 days were just innocent people....period.
Ita easy for victors to say woe to the vanquished...
its still war crime.
Period.
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Well, I understand your point. Civilians in Germany and Italy were aware that their country could be attacked anytime so why didn't they leave the country if they wanted to survive? I am sure some people did and the rest didn't because they supported Nazi so they made the stupid decision for not getting out of there during WW II.
 
hoichi said:
6 million sure....but that war left hundreds of million of people dead. That is hundreds of millions of people...and americas greatest ally in thay war...stalin killed far far more then 11 million...yet...he was our friend...shhhh. a needes ally...shhhhhhh...hypocrasy...all round. if u ask me.
No one is saying look the otherway...but dont be so nieve to think your peoples fate was even high on the list of the powers that be in that war.
They werent...
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When nations like the Axis start brutal wars, how do you expect to end those wars? With slaps on the wrist or polite diplomacy?
 
CrazyPaul said:
Well, I understand your point. Civilians in Germany and Italy were aware that their country could be attacked anytime so why didn't they leave the country if they wanted to survive? I am sure some people did and the rest didn't because they supported Nazi so they made the stupid decision for not getting out of there during WW II.
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More to the point, why did they support their fascist leaders in starting those wars in the first place?
 
Many many did leave...as matter o. Fact. Italu had allot od resistance against the facsists....most italians did not want toget csrpet bom. And fire bombed...most peoplw relly dont want much to so.woth mssive toral war....
Im not playing s number game. What i am doing is showing the hypeocrasy. So nazis were.justly hing for war.crimws..cool
How about stalin and his men? Would "oh he iS our friend" be accepted in any court of law for someone to get off with murder, while the same court executes those that did the same thing?
Oh.....
Now if any one thinks that is justice...by any definition.of the word it isnt...
As for one person being killed by the nazis is too many...i Agree.yet america did nothing for years as the nazis killeD. And never even entered the war to stop nazi killing. That was not the american motive to enter the war. So its rather rich to bring up six million here. Frankly the americans and the world powers at that time didnt give a **** what was happining to the jews or anyone else..thats why stalin was allowd to go on killing.....
Thus is my point.
Stalin was a war criminal and friend and ally.he was on the winners side. He was not tried or executed for his war Crimes...if he was on the losing side. He would of been..
We all know how good a.friend and how good a person stalin was..
We all know how good an enemy and how bad a man hitler was...
These two men where majore players in that madness.and its very dishonest to ignore the fate of one, and not the other..
Even today. It is generally accepted even in america..the total and complete carpet bombing and.indescriminate fire bombing of. Civilians today would be Considered a war crime...
and thats what all sides in that madness.did. im not the kind of guy to condemn the nazis for slaughtering innocent folks and yet say nothing about stalin doing it, or.america...
Nope.
All need to.be held up for their actioNs in that evil. All of them...
 
Reba said:
More to the point, why did they support their fascist leaders in starting those wars in the first place?
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Most italians in the south did not support the fascists..but america did, and so did churchil. Mussolini was considered a rather good friend at the time to borh nations. The rocketfellers really adored him....and supported him lavishly. he choose the wrong side..his friend churchil pleaded with him to choose briton..why he choose wrong wa. For various reasons. one of which was italy being on the winner side od ww1, yet was screwed oit of promises made by both briton and rhe states....
some interesting reading for those willing to learn.
Italy never was completly unde. Fascist control. we actually supported the yanks and brits when the invades to get rid of the fascists. we even killed mussolini hang him upside down, for all to see...
In the south he was hated
 
hoichi said:
Many many did leave...as matter o. Fact.
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Which was good for them.

Italu had allot od resistance against the facsists....most italians did not want toget csrpet bom. And fire bombed...most peoplw relly dont want much to so.woth mssive toral war….
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Of course they don't. No one wants to get carpet bombed. The people in London didn't want to be blitz bombed either. Who started the bombing of WWII? Right.

Im not playing s number game. What i am doing is showing the hypeocrasy. So nazis were.justly hing for war.crimws..cool
How about stalin and his men? Would "oh he iS our friend" be accepted in any court of law for someone to get off with murder, while the same court executes those that did the same thing?
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Stalin wasn't a friend. We were fighting a common enemy. Right after WWII, the next war, the Cold War, with the Soviets started.

Oh.....
Now if any one thinks that is justice...by any definition.of the word it isnt...
As for one person being killed by the nazis is too many...i Agree.yet america did nothing for years as the nazis killeD. And never even entered the war to stop nazi killing. That was not the american motive to enter the war. So its rather rich to bring up six million here. Frankly the americans and the world powers at that time didnt give a **** what was happining to the jews or anyone else..thats why stalin was allowd to go on killing.....
Thus is my point.
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So when they finally did get involved you begrudge that? Would you have preferred America didn't get involved in WWII at all?

Stalin was a war criminal and friend and ally.he was on the winners side. He was not tried or executed for his war Crimes...if he was on the losing side. He would of been..
We all know how good a.friend and how good a person stalin was..
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I don't recall anyone saying Stalin was a good friend or good person.

We all know how good an enemy and how bad a man hitler was...
These two men where majore players in that madness.and its very dishonest to ignore the fate of one, and not the other..
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Just because someone started a thread about Nazis doesn't mean they're ignoring Stalinists. It isn't the topic here. If you want your thread topic to be Stalin, go start one.

Even today. It is generally accepted even in america..the total and complete carpet bombing and.indescriminate fire bombing of. Civilians today would be Considered a war crime…
and thats what all sides in that madness.did. im not the kind of guy to condemn the nazis for slaughtering innocent folks and yet say nothing about stalin doing it, or.america...
Nope.
All need to.be held up for their actioNs in that evil. All of them...
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So start your own thread.

This thread is about the Nazis escaping to South America.
 
Reba said:
When nations like the Axis start brutal wars, how do you expect to end those wars? With slaps on the wrist or polite diplomacy?
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Well, given great briton was a world empire at that time, wnd the foremost world power, how do you think great briton got her empire and kept it.
By a slap on the wrist or by conquering bruttaly bybwar other nationa...
Ww2 was directly related to the ramifications of ww1. Which had everything to do with empire keeping on the brit part, and empire bulding on the german part.
What is goodfor goose as they say....really
Both of those wars could of been avoided. look into ww1 to understand ww2. U csnt grasp the ideology that shaped ww2 and rhe actions of it without ww1
But to answer your question i hope we as a race r over the awsner of total slaughter of civilians to solve our political plms.
Or most likely we havnt learne a thing from the madness of hundreds of millions of people sent to their deaths for world powers to fut the globe up for themselves to plwy with...sad but true
 
hoichi said:
Most italians in the south did not support the fascists..but america did, and so did churchil. Mussolini was considered a rather good friend at the time to borh nations. The rocketfellers really adored him....and supported him lavishly. he choose the wrong side..his friend churchil pleaded with him to choose briton..why he choose wrong wa. For various reasons. one of which was italy being on the winner side od ww1, yet was screwed oit of promises made by both briton and rhe states....
some interesting reading for those willing to learn.
Italy never was completly unde. Fascist control. we actually supported the yanks and brits when the invades to get rid of the fascists. we even killed mussolini hang him upside down, for all to see...
In the south he was hated
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There you go. The Italians chose their leader, and he chose the wrong side/way. They followed him on that way, and cheered him for that side. They finally got wise and fed up with him at the end.
 
hoichi said:
Well, given great briton was a world empire at that time, wnd the foremost world power, how do you think great briton got her empire and kept it.
By a slap on the wrist or by conquering bruttaly bybwar other nationa...
Ww2 was directly related to the ramifications of ww1. Which had everything to do with empire keeping on the brit part, and empire bulding on the german part.
What is goodfor goose as they say....really
Both of those wars could of been avoided. look into ww1 to understand ww2. U csnt grasp the ideology that shaped ww2 and rhe actions of it without ww1
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The actions after WWI might have shaped some things but there was no justification for what Hitler and the Nazis did. None.
 
Reba said:
There you go. The Italians chose their leader, and he chose the wrong side/way. They followed him on that way, and cheered him for that side. They finally got wise and fed up with him at the end.
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No the italians didnt choose their leader. The. Fascist took over the country by a coup, and a civil war...
The king gave the nation to the. Fascists to prevent a communist revolution and anarchist revolt from spreading...your only demonstrating your ignorence here reba...
 
Reba said:
The actions after WWI might have shaped some things but there was no justification for what Hitler and the Nazis did. None.
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No one justifying it. But you cannot explain the rise od nazi germany without looking at ww1. Period.
Yeah death camps and genocide r bad. Yet great briton used genocide juat as well, and also desth camps in hee very recent history...
Again.
War criminals were on all sides of.that madness..
I wont ignore one while.condemning the other...
They all need.tobe held to task
 
hoichi said:
No the italians didnt choose their leader. The. Fascist took over the country by a coup, and a civil war...
The king gave the nation to the. Fascists to prevent a communist revolution and anarchist revolt from spreading...your only demonstrating your ignorence here reba...
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What was the king? An Italian. Who were the Fascists? Italians. Who conducted the supposed coup? Italians. Who fought the civil war? Italians. Who was their leader? An Italian. Who followed him? The Italians. Who could have (and eventually did) thrown the bum out? Italians.

I didn't say all Italians gave him all their support but those were Italians who followed him. They did not revolt and toss him out prior to WWII, did they?
 
hoichi said:
Many many did leave...as matter o. Fact. Italu had allot od resistance against the facsists....most italians did not want toget csrpet bom. And fire bombed...most peoplw relly dont want much to so.woth mssive toral war....
Im not playing s number game. What i am doing is showing the hypeocrasy. So nazis were.justly hing for war.crimws..cool
How about stalin and his men? Would "oh he iS our friend" be accepted in any court of law for someone to get off with murder, while the same court executes those that did the same thing?
Oh.....
Now if any one thinks that is justice...by any definition.of the word it isnt...
As for one person being killed by the nazis is too many...i Agree.yet america did nothing for years as the nazis killeD. And never even entered the war to stop nazi killing. That was not the american motive to enter the war. So its rather rich to bring up six million here. Frankly the americans and the world powers at that time didnt give a **** what was happining to the jews or anyone else..thats why stalin was allowd to go on killing.....
Thus is my point.
Stalin was a war criminal and friend and ally.he was on the winners side. He was not tried or executed for his war Crimes...if he was on the losing side. He would of been..
We all know how good a.friend and how good a person stalin was..
We all know how good an enemy and how bad a man hitler was...
These two men where majore players in that madness.and its very dishonest to ignore the fate of one, and not the other..
Even today. It is generally accepted even in america..the total and complete carpet bombing and.indescriminate fire bombing of. Civilians today would be Considered a war crime...
and thats what all sides in that madness.did. im not the kind of guy to condemn the nazis for slaughtering innocent folks and yet say nothing about stalin doing it, or.america...
Nope.
All need to.be held up for their actioNs in that evil. All of them...
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You 're trying to put words into my mouth ! I never said I love Stalin !Like Reba said you should start a thread about Stalin and stop hijacking this thread .
 
whatdidyousay! said:
You 're trying to put words into my mouth ! I never said I love Stalin !Like Reba said you should start a thread about Stalin and stop hijacking this thread .
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Just add him to ignore list.

I don't have time to debate with him.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
You 're trying to put words into my mouth ! I never said I love Stalin !Like Reba said you should start a thread about Stalin and stop hijacking this thread .
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I never said you love stalin
 
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