Salvia drug....illegal in many states.

Jiro said:
I do read posts and I'm asking question about your posts because I'm not seeing your point. What was your point?
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I already stated it ...
 
1960s....

During the hippie movement...

Also was when CIA tested LSDs on soldiers?

What the heck am I reading here?
 
Steinhauer said:
already stated my point (do you read posts or just ask questions?)
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Perhaps the point is how little you know about how those in Leary's field (and related fields) actually dispense of controlled substances.

You seem to think they'd turn their patients into junkies or that they'd mess with their patients mind.

When I read your posts, you come across as paranoid to me.
 
perhaps somebody's on salvia? :dunno:
 
One have to look at the person and the society to evaluate how dangerous a specific substance is to that person, else pros vs cons of drugs gets silly. A given society can handle controlled use of opium smoking, while alcohol screws it, and vice versa.

I can understand that Koknut and Steinhauer says no thanks to hallucinogens, even "organic" ones. People with strong principles and values given to them from the surrounding, with unsolved conflicts within themselves are prone to mental illness when doing hallucinogens, that can last until death. With this is mind, it's a bit unresponsible to argue that hallucinogens are as harmeless as a cup of tea.

Today we are exploring and discovering more and more effective therapy methods, leaving those PIHKAL drugs redundant.

Let's be honest, you guys like drugs because you know it's fun and want the freedom to explore it ;) "Medical use" and "but, it's not hard drugs" arguments are simply not rational if one look at them with a magnifier.
 
Sometimes saying "no" is simply saying "no" because there is no desire to take drugs. Why smoke cigarettes incessantly and have that polluting smell all over you, inside your car, the house, your clothes and such? Why drink alcoholic drinks, it's certainly not always about the "taste" but the alcohol drug in it is why people want to get a buzz off of or get seriously drunk or smashed all the time. Why Salvia? Cocaine? Marijuana (non-medical)? Huffing? The experimenting with narcotic prescription drugs? I think doing those things speak differently about one's own state of mind. And it certainly doesn't sound healthy to me.
 
deafskeptic said:
Perhaps the point is how little you know about how those in Leary's field (and related fields) actually dispense of controlled substances.

You seem to think they'd turn their patients into junkies or that they'd mess with their patients mind.

When I read your posts, you come across as paranoid to me.
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really?

Are you saying psychiatrists and psychologists have nothing, at all, whatsoever, to do with drugs ... period?

That kind of sounds .... childish ... to me (and very ill informed).
 
kokonut said:
Sometimes saying "no" is simply saying "no" because there is no desire to take drugs. Why smoke cigarettes incessantly and have that polluting smell all over you, inside your car, the house, your clothes and such? Why drink alcoholic drinks, it's certainly not always about the "taste" but the alcohol drug in it is why people want to get a buzz off of or get seriously drunk or smashed all the time. Why Salvia? Cocaine? Marijuana (non-medical)? Huffing? The experimenting with narcotic prescription drugs? I think doing those things speak differently about one's own state of mind. And it certainly doesn't sound healthy to me.
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neither is fixation, obsession, and negativity :wave:
 
Usually, psychiatrists can prescribe drugs but psychologists cannot.
 
Jiro said:
mental ward and straitjacket (Paranoia is usually treated with antipsychotic drugs)


court-appointed doctor (licensed psychiatrist)


taxpayers :cool2: (licensed psychiatrists)
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hmmmmm ..... I think there is a drug for obsessive deviance
 
Steinhauer said:
Paranoia is usually treated with antipsychotic drugs
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No unless you're talking about paranoia that is caused by medical condition like schizophrenia. But as for a paranoid person - a mental ward and straitjacket.

Steinhauer said:
licensed psychiatrist
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court-appointed

Steinhauer said:
licensed psychiatrists
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ah I misread your question. You asked - WHO gets paid to prescribe it. I speed-read because I had to take a dump :giggle: so I misunderstood it as who pays them if they prescribe it. Well - since you said licensed psychiatrists get paid to prescribe it...... by who?

Steinhauer said:
hmmmmm ..... I think there is a drug for obsessive deviance
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you mean OCD? yea but most take therapeutic approach. They don't use psychiatrists to deal with OCD cases unless it's extreme case.
 
diazepam, thioridazine or haloperidol and Zyprexa

but, there is always electro shock therapy
 
Steinhauer said:
diazepam, thioridazine or haloperidol and Zyprexa

but, there is always electro shock therapy
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ah... medical technology... ain't it grand? looking back at past.... as Dr. McCoy aka Bones in Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home said "My God. What is this,
the dark ages?" :lol:
 
Jiro said:
ah... medical technology... ain't it grand? looking back at past.... as Dr. McCoy aka Bones in Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home said "My God. What is this,
the dark ages?" :lol:
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I am purty darn sure this era will be considered the dark ages .... :giggle:
 
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