Roe v. Wade - For Men

I just flaunt my propriety around the ladies. No prob. :lol:
 
Steinhauer said:
many do and the kids grow up hating their moms because they develop a relationship with their dads when they become adults.


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I don't think it is quite possible unless the dad gives up his parental rights, as long as the mother request it . It would mean she will have to raise her child on a single income so rarely any mother would do that because they want the best for their child. So both party have to agree to it. The child should be mad at the dad for giving up his parental rights. I have two relatives relating to this. One of them gave up parental right to the grandma (after the mother died) and now his son did not want to have anything to do with his father.

The other adopted a son through marriage.. and his real father had to be willing to give up his parental rights to him... and he did. he was free from child support. The adopted father is responsible for child support but he was willing to take that responsibility because the real father neglect his son anyhow. If I was going to be mad, I would be mad at anyone who gave up his parental rights.

Now if it complaining about the other parent, even though the other parent love his child and refuse to give up his parental rights, then yeah, I can see them feeling bitter.
 
deafgal001 said:
I don't think it is quite possible unless the dad gives up his parental rights (as long as the mother request it but it would mean she will have to raise her child on a single income so rarely any mother would do that because they want the best for their child) . The child should be mad at the dad for giving up his parental rights. I have two relatives relating to this. One of them gave up parental right to the grandma (after the mother died) and now his son did not want to have anything to do with his father.

The other adopted a son through marriage which he signed to be his father.. and the father had to be willing to give up his parental rights to him... and he did. he was free from child support. The adopted father is responsible for child support but he was willing to take that responsibility because the real father neglect his son anyhow. If I was going to be mad, I would be mad at anyone who gave up his parental rights.
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Up until a few years ago, men who had adulterous wives who got pregnant due to the affair, were required to pay child support for the child that was not even biologically theirs.

The reason being, is because if a child is born during a marriage, it is legally the child of the married husband and wife. The biological father has no rights period.

Now ... men have the right to divorce and take the child away from both biological parents - the cheating wife and the biological father - or, divorce and not pay any support.

Before the law was changed, the husband had to pay child support regardless (usually ended up in a divorce and ex husband was paying for his wife to continue the relationship she had started when she cheated). Now, the husband can "opt out" of situations like that.


Usually, but not always, when I see situations where an adoptive "step-dad" comes in, the relationship started between a cheating wife and the "step-dad" while the biological father had absolutely no idea. The "step-dad" and the cheating wife then conspire to have the children taken from the biological father.

This happens more often than people may realize. I may know the exact same person you are referring to, and I may know the exact reasons why that happened ;)

You never know.
 
That's because marriage is a legal bind. I guess if one don't want to pay child support, all he have to do is look for a married woman. ha!
 
deafgal001 said:
That's because marriage is a legal bind. I guess if one don't want to pay child support, all he have to do is look for a married woman. ha!
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That is all the more reason men should have opt-out rights in certain circumstances.

Its the children that are getting screwed.
 
Steinhauer said:
That is all the more reason men should have opt-out rights in certain circumstances.

Its the children that are getting screwed.
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yes, if it is confirmed the child is not his.

Could have been the husband's since he had sex with her too. Sperms are like lotteries. But only the ones who purchase it have a good chance.

But if the husband know the child isn't his, he still took responsibility of that child so, he is like a adopted father.
 
deafgal001 said:
yes, if it is confirmed the child is not his.

Could have been the husband's since he had sex with her too. Sperms are like lotteries. But only the ones who purchase it have a good chance.

But if the husband know the child isn't his, he still took responsibility of that child so, he is like a adopted father.
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So, you agree, there should be opt out options given certain circumstances for men?

You do realize that women are under no obligation to submit a DNA test?

That is another law I would like to see changed. Maybe a topic for a different thread.
 
It depends. I'm more concern what's best for the child. if you ever had sex with a married woman, are you willing for the husband to opt out and dump child support on you after all these years of supporting your child as his own?
 
deafgal001 said:
It depends. I'm more concern what's best for the child. if you ever had sex with a married woman, are you willing for the husband to opt out and dump child support on you after all these years of supporting your child as his own?
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I would never be in that situation. But, would it be fair to do something like that? ..... YES.


What if ..... men had the option to opt - out. What if the husband opted-out and the cheating guy opted-out ..... what if?

If women knew this could happen, would they be having affairs at the scale that is happening today?

Its just a what if question ....
 
Steinhauer said:
So, you agree, there should be opt out options given certain circumstances for men?

You do realize that women are under no obligation to submit a DNA test?

That is another law I would like to see changed. Maybe a topic for a different thread.
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women's DNA? what for? The father only needs the child's DNA for paternity test.
 
Steinhauer said:
I would never be in that situation. But, would it be fair to do something like that? ..... YES.


What if ..... men had the option to opt - out. What if the husband opted-out and the cheating guy opted-out ..... what if?

If women knew this could happen, would they be having affairs at the scale that is happening today?

Its just a what if question ....
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no such thing. good luck to even change Child Support Emancipation law.
 
but the grandparents didn't make the child. They already raised their children, why should they raise their grandchildren?
 
How can a man declare a pregnancy accidental when he puts his penis into her vagina? I am constantly amazed at this. I learned this when I was about 10, then had a class on it at age 13. If you want to have a baby, you put your penis into a vagina. Simple. It does not always work, but it is by far the best method for creating children.
 
deafgal001 said:
but the grandparents didn't make the child. They already raised their children, why should they raise their grandchildren?
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lots of grandparents do adopt their children's children - when their children irresponsibly bring a child into the world.

A friend of mine from HS has a sister who did that. His parents are raising his neice.

His neice is now legally his sister. The mother of the child is now legally her own child's sister.


http://parenting.adoption.com/parents/grandparents-as-parents.html


According to the U.S. Census Bureau, over the last 25 years, the number of children being raised by someone other than a parent has increased dramatically, with the vast majority of these children being raised by their grandparents. Between 1990 and 1998, the number of families in grandparent-headed households without either parent present increased by 53 percent, and the 2000 Census placed the total number of children living in a grandparent- or other relative-headed household at 6 million.
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you mean, grandmother. the grandfather probably ran from his responsibility and not around... he opt out.
 
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