Roe v. Wade - For Men

Jiro said:
and plus - I don't know why people fail to think there are actually laws regarding abortion. I'm trying hard to figure out why people seem to think women can get abortion at any time they want.

PARTIAL ABORTION IS ILLEGAL! ABORTION IS ILLEGAL IF YOU ARE IN 2ND TRIMESTER UNLESS THERE IS EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE THAT CAN KILL YOU!
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I know. Mostly the ones that refuse to accept the reality of the situation are those that are trying to evoke emotion so they can control logical thought.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Maybe I read too much. Because Pro-lifers who tend to assume that all women who have had abortions must necessarily regret them, while pro-choicers who tend to assume that if a woman regrets an abortion there must be something wrong with her. Like, she's been brainwashed by pro-lifers or something. But I think it should be both ways. By the way, yes I agree with you about that bold you said.
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That's a misconception. I'm strongly pro-choice, but I do believe that a good number of women will suffer the consequences of having an abortion. I would make sure they know of the consequences, but NEVER actually FORCE them to have the baby. To me, that is the same thing as forcing them to get an abortion. That's fundamentally wrong.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Maybe I read too much. Because Pro-lifers who tend to assume that all women who have had abortions must necessarily regret them, while pro-choicers who tend to assume that if a woman regrets an abortion there must be something wrong with her. Like, she's been brainwashed by pro-lifers or something. But I think it should be both ways. By the way, yes I agree with you about that bold you said.
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People like to be black and white about issues. I prefer it that way too-- simpler; alas it is not so. As for the person in question, she didn't really clarify why she got depressed, but given her history and mixed emotions as stated in the post, I wouldn't use her as a poster child for either pro-choice or pro-life. However people who think one or the other is easy need to take their heads out of the sand and shake the dust out of their ears.
 
Jiro said:
Roe v. Wade has nothing to do with pro-lifer's or anybody's stance/belief/opinion/etc.

there's absolutely nothing wrong with Roe v. Wade. It's about extending women's constitutional rights to privacy especially when it comes to medical decision on her own body.
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OK, then. :) But I still can't agree it is okay to kill a fetus. Sorry... I had my reasons.
 
Daredevel7 said:
But that doesn't make sense. You are missing the point of my post. The mother and father have a DISAGREEMENT on what to do with the child. They cannot agree on what to do with the child.

Yes they have to make sacrifices, but the degree of sacrifices are DIFFERENT for each choice. Options: mother keeps the baby, father keeps the baby, one of them dropping out of college, putting it up for adoption, aborting the baby, and so on..

Unless.... wait a minute.. you think EVERY couple who accidentally gets pregnant MUST stay together and raise the baby? Is that your point? Is this the sacrifice you were talking about?
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Boy, there is a recipe for disaster!
 
KarissaMann05 said:
OK, then. :) But I still can't agree it is okay to kill a fetus. Sorry... I had my reasons.
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It doesn't matter what you agree with. I do not care about your stance because it is nobody's business. It is your constitutional rights to refuse abortion in case of unplanned pregnancy.

Because of Roe v. Wade - you have a FULL LEGAL RIGHTS to decide for yourself when it comes to abortion. Without Roe v. Wade - your rights would be same as Rosa Park back in old days. The men get to decide what you can do or can't just as much as white people get to decide where a black person can sit or not.
 
Jiro said:
It doesn't matter what you agree with. I do not care about your stance because it is nobody's business. It is your constitutional rights to refuse abortion in case of unplanned pregnancy.

Because of Roe v. Wade - you have a FULL LEGAL RIGHTS to decide for yourself when it comes to abortion. Without Roe v. Wade - your rights would be same as Rosa Park back in old days. The men get to decide what you can do or can't just as much as white people get to decide where a black person can sit or not.
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Exactly.

Make sure you have a partner you can trust. And if your partner have a medical reason for doing so, please give something of equal exchange for that knowledge. The person in the case Steinhauer messed up by taking her words for it, rather than sharing and fully disclosing what issues both of them have.

I would had never gotten that tadbit about the abortion if I haven't shared my medical issues first before she disclosed it. It gave me a head's up that if I messed up in bed, I will be shouldering the same responsibility since she displayed no interest in getting another one.
 
Jiro said:
It doesn't matter what you agree with. I do not care about your stance because it is nobody's business. It is your constitutional rights to refuse abortion in case of unplanned pregnancy.

Because of Roe v. Wade - you have a FULL LEGAL RIGHTS to decide for yourself when it comes to abortion. Without Roe v. Wade - your rights would be same as Rosa Park back in old days. The men get to decide what you can do or can't just as much as white people get to decide where a black person can sit or not.
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Bingo. Remove the rights of others to make their decisions, and you loose the right to make your own.
 
souggy said:
Exactly.

Make sure you have a partner you can trust. And if your partner have a medical reason for doing so, please give something of equal exchange for that knowledge. The person in the case Steinhauer messed up by taking her words for it.

I would had never gotten that tadbit about the abortion if I haven't shared my medical issues first before she disclosed it. It gave me a head's up that if I messed up in bed, I will be shouldering the same responsibility.
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yep but either way - sometimes the partner changes mind and demands that she gets an abortion against her wish.

Roe v. Wade protects her from unwanted demand :giggle:
 
jillio said:
You can never read too much. That is the way to become informed.
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Dokie okie. :)

Daredevel7 said:
That's a misconception. I'm strongly pro-choice, but I do believe that a good number of women will suffer the consequences of having an abortion. I would make sure they know of the consequences, but NEVER actually FORCE them to have the baby. To me, that is the same thing as forcing them to get an abortion. That's fundamentally wrong.
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Yes I understand where you are from. I won't tell her what to do not or do. I can voice my opinion on something, and I think we can agree that is wrong to take her child away for adoption. It's pretty too much, too. See below.

souggy said:
People like to be black and white about issues. I prefer it that way too-- simpler; alas it is not so. As for the person in question, she didn't really clarify why she got depressed, but given her history and mixed emotions as stated in the post, I wouldn't use her as a poster child for either pro-choice or pro-life. However people who think one or the other is easy need to take their heads out of the sand and shake the dust out of their ears.
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What I think... there needs to be a third party that holds no religious affiliation and that will gain no money from the decision of the woman (abortion OR adoption) that give the counseling to the woman. REAL counseling. Counseling that answers ALL her question, gives her TRUE answers, and presents FACTS about ALL her options. Counseling that helps her decide what SHE wants to do. NOT what her parents/boyfriend/friends thinks she needs to do.

Because if a woman can't handle the truth about what abortion entails then think about how she will react when she finds out the truth about the development of her baby or what an abortion looks like after she has already had the abortion. That is when guilt may set in and the emotional trauma will start. Women need to know before hand so they can make an INFORMED and EDUCATED decision.

I won't bother them so they can do whatever they can do with their bodies. I just don't agree this one choice of three choices. That's all.

I hope I come off as less offensive. I really try to be not sound too offensive...
 
KarissaMann05 said:
What I think... there needs to be a third party that holds no religious affiliation and that will gain no money from the decision of the woman (abortion OR adoption) that give the counseling to the woman. REAL counseling. Counseling that answers ALL her question, gives her TRUE answers, and presents FACTS about ALL her options. Counseling that helps her decide what SHE wants to do. NOT what her parents/boyfriend/friends thinks she needs to do.

Because if a woman can't handle the truth about what abortion entails then think about how she will react when she finds out the truth about the development of her baby or what an abortion looks like after she has already had the abortion. That is when guilt may set in and the emotional trauma will start. Women need to know before hand so they can make an INFORMED and EDUCATED decision.

I won't bother them so they can do whatever they can do with their bodies. I just don't agree this one choice of three choices. That's all.

I hope I come off as less offensive. I really try to be not sound too offensive...
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third party? no need to. plenty of organizations like that such as Planned Parenthood and... your doctor. and there are plenty of support groups for women who chose abortion and women who chose against abortion (such as "Single Mother" support group).
 
Karissa, I totally agree with you about counseling.

Not necessarily about showing pictures of the aborted fetus. Honestly, I never understood that. Is it supposed to be "better" if the baby still looked like a mass of flesh anyway?
 
Jiro said:
It doesn't matter what you agree with. I do not care about your stance because it is nobody's business. It is your constitutional rights to refuse abortion in case of unplanned pregnancy.

Because of Roe v. Wade - you have a FULL LEGAL RIGHTS to decide for yourself when it comes to abortion. Without Roe v. Wade - your rights would be same as Rosa Park back in old days. The men get to decide what you can do or can't just as much as white people get to decide where a black person can sit or not.
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Fair enough. :)

Just note for you, not all pro-lifers support the illegal.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Karissa, I totally agree with you about counseling.

Not necessarily about showing pictures of the aborted fetus. Honestly, I never understood that. Is it supposed to be "better" if the baby still looked like a mass of flesh anyway?
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just say it. I know you want to say it. "SpaghettiO’s"

oh I'm such a callous bastard....
 
Jiro said:
third party? no need to. plenty of organizations like that such as Planned Parenthood and... your doctor. and there are plenty of support groups for women who chose abortion and women who chose against abortion (such as "Single Mother" support group).
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Support groups are not the same thing as professional counselling.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Fair enough. :)

Just note for you, not all pro-lifers support the illegal.
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no need for a note. I do not care what one supports or doesn't.

Roe v. Wade... that's all I care about :)
 
souggy said:
Support groups are not the same thing as professional counselling.
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support group is usually conducted by a licensed counselor (some are not). The only difference is that in "professional counseling" - it's a private one-on-one session and it ain't free but it depends on person's preference.
 
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