Roe v. Wade - For Men

rockin'robin said:
Perhaps some men don't know what size condoms they should wear.....then again, if the man knows the woman is not on birth control and opts for a condom...he still knows there is a chance of pregnancy....Some men even check for small "holes" in the condom before wearing them. My guess is that men should buy the best condoms available, not a cheap product, even wear "2" of them.
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Its been proven 2 condoms are more prone to breaking than 1
 
posts from hell said:
Its been proven 2 condoms are more prone to breaking than 1
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My gosh, you're right. I did quick research and found out that you are correct. I was told two is better than one by a nurse, but I never tried that. Don't double up, guys! :lol:
 
It's not one sided at all. Both men and women must realize that sex is not consequence-free. You might get a disease, you might get involved with a mentally unstable person, the woman might get pregnant, etc. If people think that a one night stand is risk-free, they are deluded. It's an old-fashioned notion but it's best to be in a stable relationship with someone you can trust.
 
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Steinhauer said:
TheWriteAlex said:
Men don't have as many options? Option #1: don't put your penis in a woman's vagina if you're not ready to live with the results of an unintended pregnancy!

As if deciding to get an abortion and living with that trauma for the rest of your life is an easy "option" for a woman...

The men trying to get this passed are just a bunch of deadbeats who want to avoid responsibility.
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women have the same option of not having sex .....
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Yes, but men are not the ones carrying the child, nor they suffer from health-risks or mental or emotional distress resulting from pregnancy. Until men can carry a child without a uterus, there is no way this case will pass.
 
souggy said:
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Yes, but men are not the ones carrying the child, nor they suffer from health-risks or mental or emotional distress resulting from pregnancy. Until men can carry a child without a uterus, there is no way this case will pass.
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All I am saying is that women have more "opt out" choices regarding being a parent than men do.

9 months is a long time, but compare it to 18 years.

If a man makes a decision that he does not want to be a dad during pregnancy, where is his "opt out"?

I realize there may be many pro-choice advocates who would not support the right for a man to choose.

I am not saying it is "right" I am just asking if it should be a bit more "fair". I mean, after all, wouldn't you want to have a dad who wanted you back?
 
Steinhauer said:
All I am saying is that women have more "opt out" choices regarding being a parent than men do.

9 months is a long time, but compare it to 18 years.

If a man makes a decision that he does not want to be a dad during pregnancy, where is his "opt out"?

I realize there may be many pro-choice advocates who would not support the right for a man to choose.

I am not saying it is "right" I am just asking if it should be a bit more "fair". I mean, after all, wouldn't you want to have a dad who wanted you back?
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In bold, are you means women who want their babies to be aborted but some men want to keep babies?
 
Foxrac said:
In bold, are you means women who want their babies to be aborted but some men want to keep babies?
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Not exactly what I was saying, no - but you make a good point - The man is robbed of his right to be a father by a woman who uses her right to abort.

In many cases (and I have seen this happen) the "dad" is completely unaware of the pregnancy. Isn't it his kid too?

So it is a double whammy when a man does not want to be a dad - and he has to anyway when the mother keeps the child - and when he wants to be a dad, but the mother aborts.

Where is the equality?
 
Dubay v. Wells - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Dubay and Wells began dating in 2004. Dubay maintains that he made it clear to Wells that he was not interested in being a father and that Wells reassured him that she could not get pregnant because she was using contraception and because she had physical conditions that prevented pregnancy [1]. After they stopped dating, Wells informed Dubay that she had become pregnant. Although the two discussed adoption, Wells ultimately decided to have the baby and pursued child support payments from Dubay. Dubay was ordered to pay $475 per month plus half of the baby's health care expenses by Saginaw County Circuit Judge Patrick McGraw. The National Center for Men agreed to take Dubay's case and challenge the child support order.
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The case is on appeal.
 
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I may disagree with pro-choicers but I don't think it is fair to force women to have an abortion if he don't want a child. In my opinion, he should have an option to serve (sp) his responilibity or not. Not force her to have an abortion. Just too much for her!

I think it would be cool if they discuss together but I doubt it. Cos many women don't will to give their kids away to men...

I find it interesting that if she is pregnant and decide that she don't want to be mother, she is pro-choice. But if he got her pregnant, and decide that he don't want to be father, he is selfish and cruel beatdad, period.
 
Steinhauer said:
Not exactly what I was saying, no - but you make a good point - The man is robbed of his right to be a father by a woman who uses her right to abort.

In many cases (and I have seen this happen) the "dad" is completely unaware of the pregnancy. Isn't it his kid too?

So it is a double whammy when a man does not want to be a dad - and he has to anyway when the mother keeps the child - and when he wants to be a dad, but the mother aborts.

Where is the equality?
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Yup, I found that isn't fair but I just give an advice to any men is think twice before they want to have a child and sex with woman.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
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@Stein

I may disagree with pro-choicers but I don't think it is fair to force women to have an abortion if he don't want a child. In my opinion, he should have an option to serve (sp) his responilibity or not. Not force her to have an abortion. Just too much for her!

I think it would be cool if they discuss together but I doubt it. Cos many women don't will to give their kids away to men...

I find it interesting that if she is pregnant and decide that she don't want to be mother, she is pro-choice. But if he got her pregnant, and decide that he don't want to be father, he is selfish and cruel beatdad, period.
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In bold, I think that woman will require to pay child support if she want put her child away to father.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
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@Stein

I may disagree with pro-choicers but I don't think it is fair to force women to have an abortion if he don't want a child.(I wasn't saying a woman should be forced to have an abortion if the father does not want the child - but should the man be forced to be the "dad" if he did not want to be one?") In my opinion, he should have an option to serve (sp) his responilibity or not. Not force her to have an abortion. Just too much for her!

I think it would be cool if they discuss together but I doubt it. Cos many women don't will to give their kids away to men...

I find it interesting that if she is pregnant and decide that she don't want to be mother, she is pro-choice. But if he got her pregnant, and decide that he don't want to be father, he is selfish and cruel beatdad, period.
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Yes - that is a double standard.
 
Foxrac said:
In bold, I think that woman will require to pay child support if she want put her child away to father.
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yes and that would be more fair.

Courts overwhelmingly support women in issues like this though.
 
Steinhauer said:
I posted it because I thought it was interesting to note that there ARE more options for women to decline parenthood than there are for men.

The argument presented by feminists in that article is that men who do not want children should get sterilized (same option for women).

However, a man cannot terminate a pregnancy and many men have been trapped in relationships over unwanted or accidental pregnancies. They do not have an "opt out" .... but women do.

Do you think this is fair?

I have a feeling I opened a can of worms .....
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And there is a very logical reason for the above.:roll:
 
Steinhauer said:
yes and that would be more fair.

Courts overwhelmingly support women in issues like this though.
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Women pay child support all the time when the father is the custodial parent. For that matter, they pay child support if any family member is the custodial parent.

This "poor, poor abused and discriminated against men" is a disgusting and self centered attitude.
 
Steinhauer, I've had a long deep discussion with a guy. And it's true. It's not fair at all. HOWEVER, I've tried to come up with solutions and it always screws over the women in a more severe way than making men pay. I've realized that this way is the best way to have the least amount of damage.

Seriously, Steinhauer, you talk a lot about equality but try to come up with a SOLUTION that is better than men paying for child support.
 
jillio said:
Women pay child support all the time when the father is the custodial parent. For that matter, they pay child support if any family member is the custodial parent.

This "poor, poor abused and discriminated against men" is a disgusting and self centered attitude.
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so are some self centered "poor poor battered wife" stories out there.

And yes, even you know that is true.
 
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