Richard Matt And David Sweat, Convicted Murderers, Escape From New York Prison

Jezie said:
I do see a difference ...
One is helpless and killed bruitly for not other reason than enjoyment, and without honor while the other was on equal footing, done quickly, was not helpless, and died with honor.

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Right...thats one way to look at it...
Evil is depraved by definition it is a lacking, s void.

Jusy killing a cop doesnt equate to evil. he could of killed the cop to swve his own skin for all we.know, and we dont kbow allot...
 
I thought there was cameras set up to watch inmates 24/7 he see if they trying to escape or hang themselves
 
hoichi said:
Why not?
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Because not all killing fits the definition of murder. Not all killing happens during the commission of a crime or with malice of forethought.
 
Reba said:
Because not all killing fits the definition of murder. Not all killing happens during the commission of a crime or with malice of forethought.
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Right...
But your not arguing the secular state decides what is evil or not are you?
Thats what it looks like your doing ..
Interesting..
 
hoichi said:
Right...thats one way to look at it...
Evil is depraved by definition it is a lacking, s void.

Jusy killing a cop doesnt equate to evil. he could of killed the cop to swve his own skin for all we.know, and we dont kbow allot...
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Okay.... thank you for answering my question :)

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hoichi said:
Right...
But your not arguing the secular state decides what is evil or not are you?
Thats what it looks like your doing ..
Interesting..
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The definition of murder was made long ago, before the "state" existed. The "state" has classified and codified it, and enforces its prosecution.

What those two escapees did was murder under either definition.

One killed while in the act of stealing from a gun store. The victim was shot and run over.

The other one killed after kidnapping and torturing his victim, then dismembered the body and tossed the parts into the river.
 
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Reba said:
The definition of murder was made long ago, before the "state" existed. The "state" has classified and codified it, and enforces its prosecution.
ver.
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This is incorrect and is NOT based on any evedence or facts. Considering we do not have any written records prior to the rise of the "state", you will be hard pressed to prove your asertion. Feel free to try though, what u hwve done is post the legel requirments to be met for murder, as opposed to say manslaughter, these are legel requirments to be met in court for prosecution. And these requirments change with esch state and culture snd through history, if as you seem to believe evil is defined by meeting state requirments for murder in degrees or so on, we are left with the uneasy reality that evil wich has existed long before any state or courts is defined by them, and thus is open to change with political whims or laws of any given state.


Reba said:
What those two escapees did was murder under either definition.

One killed while in the act of stealing from a gun store. The victim was shot and run over.

The other one killed after kidnapping and torturing his victim, then dismembered the body and tossed the parts into the river.
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Sure. But thats never been questioned.
That makes them murderers, which doesnt equate to evil.

murder is a legel definition of the act of killing. Thats all.
and this definition can and does.change, it even gets dropped or becomes a lesser charge due to the game which is the courts.
depending on the case, so on.
All that is seperete from evil, what evil is and evils nature.
 
They remind me of those prisoners who escaped from Alcatraz. They have not found, still today.
 
hoichi said:
This is incorrect and is NOT based on any evedence or facts. Considering we do not have any written records prior to the rise of the "state", you will be hard pressed to prove your asertion. Feel free to try though,
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Murder was evil long before formal governments were established. If you don't want to accept that, so be it.

what u hwve done is post the legel requirments to be met for murder, as opposed to say manslaughter, these are legel requirments to be met in court for prosecution. And these requirments change with esch state and culture snd through history, if as you seem to believe evil is defined by meeting state requirments for murder in degrees or so on, we are left with the uneasy reality that evil wich has existed long before any state or courts is defined by them, and thus is open to change with political whims or laws of any given state.
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I do NOT believe evil is defined by meeting state requirements for murder. The state codifies and describes murder degrees for the purpose of prosecution and setting sentences. The fact that murder is evil was established long before governments codified murder. You have the order wrong. Murder is already evil; the state just makes it illegal.

Sure. But thats never been questioned.
That makes them murderers, which doesnt equate to evil.
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There is no such thing as "good" murder--murder is evil.

murder is a legel definition of the act of killing. Thats all.
and this definition can and does.change, it even gets dropped or becomes a lesser charge due to the game which is the courts.
depending on the case, so on.
All that is seperete from evil, what evil is and evils nature.
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Even if legal definitions change, the nature of murder remains evil.
 
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Reba said:
Murder was evil long before formal governments were established. If you d
on't want to accept that, so be it.
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Pls demonstrate this. Thank you. You keep stating "long before" but where is your evidence? How can you claim this? Through pre pottery neolithic starta in mounds? How far back will you like to take this? The paleolithic?
Pls denonstrate for me here how you know this "long before" claim of yours

Reba said:
I do NOT believe evil is defined by meeting state requirements for murder. The state codifies and describes murder degrees for the purpose of prosecution and setting sentences.vil.
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Actually its clear from your posts you do believe the state defines evil, considering it is the state which through its legislation defines what murder is in what degrees it is, ,what requirments needs to be met for murder to.be charged and prosecuted and what murder is not.
How about manslaughter reba? Is manslauter evil as well?

Reba said:
The fact that murder is evil was established long before governments codified murder. vil.
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Can you pls demonstrate this "fact" for me? You keep claiming long before...blah blah...im curious what evidence do you have,considering we do not possess any written records prior to the startification of classes and the emegrence of the state, what fact are you citing? How far back is your "long before" fact..pls reba show it.

Reba said:
You have the order wrong. Murder is already evil; the state just makes it illegal.vil.
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No i dont. You do. It is the state which defines what murder is in what degrees it is,as opposed to say manslughter, or any number of lesser charges one can be charged with for the act of killing another.

Reba said:
There is no such thing as "good" murder--murder is evil.


Even if legal definitions change, the nature of murder remains evil.
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thats all fine and well,but since all you have done is post the legel definition and requirments of murder we still are left with the fundimental plm of how the state according to your thinking has a hand in defining what is evil and what is not.
 
authentic said:
They remind me of those prisoners who escaped from Alcatraz. They have not found, still today.
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I believe that system is much better today than in 1950s that where prisoners escape from prison cannot found in old time.
 
Foxrac said:
I found definition from wikipedia.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

I agree with Reba.
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No one has denied or contested this foxrac.
So i guess we also agree..
Mmmmm

ive asked reba some pointed quations for her to back up and proof her "long before" "fact" claim..i wont hold my breath,
It was more for her to learn then her to answer...
Anyway....
 
I'm not going wasting my time on trivial debate.

All murders are evil and wrong, period.
 
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