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Jiro said:
no but have you ever heard of a poor politician?
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In previous centuries, yes.

oh? if you run for office - you're likely to be corrupted? :giggle:
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No. I wouldn't want to compromise any of my positions, or chum up with questionable characters in order to be elected to an office.
 
Reba said:
In previous centuries, yes.
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really? Most of them (or I think pretty much all of them) had slaves and plantations. and they were privileged. I doubt any of the founding fathers was a "commoner" but please do correct me if I'm wrong.

Reba said:
No. I wouldn't want to compromise any of my positions, or chum up with questionable characters in order to be elected to an office.
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awful. it's sad that those vile tactic is what it takes to win the seat.
 
Jiro said:
really? Most of them (or I think pretty much all of them) had slaves and plantations. and they were privileged. I doubt any of the founding fathers was a "commoner" but please do correct me if I'm wrong.
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Many of them didn't even live in states where slavery was allowed, so I don't know how you got that perception.

Originally, most of America's elected leaders didn't expect their positions to be life-long money-making careers. Some even died in poverty.
 
I couldn't careless about rich people have more money and I don't think that high tax would help since they are great source of charities.

I do want politicians that are pro-people, care about domestic issues, such as put Americans back to work, less jobs go oversea, increase of manufacturing jobs, better employment equality, promote better equality for GLBT and tough on greedy corporation.
 
Jiro said:
isn't it because they had hefty bills to pay like... campaigning?
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Are you serious? I doubt at all they spent one dime of their own money on campaigning. The whole election was done with donor funds...don't you remember Obama begging (yes, begging) young people to "Send in $5 or anything"? The only way to prove otherwise is to show the Obama's tax reports and that won't be required until the next election, if he chooses to run. Otherwise, he could not have taken a deduction for political expense.
 
Jiro said:
ask them. Obama's donating Nobel Prize money isn't good enough for you?
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Not good enough for me.
Number1---He did not deserve it and did nothing to earn it.
Number 2---He knew it was foreign fund and required a totally different set of rules to claim a deduction but by giving it directly to charity, he did not have to claim it as income nor a deduction.
 
I forgot to mention that even the wealthy Founding Fathers used their own money to help finance the Revolution.
 
rolling7 said:
Not good enough for me.
Number1---He did not deserve it and did nothing to earn it.
Number 2---He knew it was foreign fund and required a totally different set of rules to claim a deduction but by giving it directly to charity, he did not have to claim it as income nor a deduction.
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What is your reason about Obama isn't deserve to earn Nobel Prize?
 
rolling7 said:
Are you serious? I doubt at all they spent one dime of their own money on campaigning. The whole election was done with donor funds...don't you remember Obama begging (yes, begging) young people to "Send in $5 or anything"? The only way to prove otherwise is to show the Obama's tax reports and that won't be required until the next election, if he chooses to run. Otherwise, he could not have taken a deduction for political expense.
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so explain Clinton's campaign debt.
 
Reba said:
I forgot to mention that even the wealthy Founding Fathers used their own money to help finance the Revolution.
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and we all pitched in too for war effort during WWI, WW2, Vietnam, etc.... and Iraq & Afghanistan.

But we should stick with what happened during peacetime.
 
rolling7 said:
Not good enough for me.
Number1---He did not deserve it and did nothing to earn it.
Number 2---He knew it was foreign fund and required a totally different set of rules to claim a deduction but by giving it directly to charity, he did not have to claim it as income nor a deduction.
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so you prefer that he kept the money to himself?
 
Beowulf said:
I could donate more, but I faithfully give to the local pantry and to the same Indian Mission, because that is where I feel I am doing the maximum good.
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I wish more people would take your appraoch. Our local food pantries are in trouble due to lack of donations. And, as we can see, people seem to be more concerned about the amount of money a President has donated and completely unconcerned about those who are suffering in their own communities.
 
Reba said:
Supposedly voters are using judgment rather than warm fuzzies before going to the polls.

Isn't it the almighty dollar that we pay our taxes with? Isn't it the almighty dollar that our representatives use to determine annual federal budgets?

The President doesn't seem to worry about sensitivity of discussing the almighty dollar, especially when it's some other person's dollar.
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Apples to oranges. But nice attempt at deflecting the issue.
 
jillio said:
I wish more people would take your appraoch. Our local food pantries are in trouble due to lack of donations. And, as we can see, people seem to be more concerned about the amount of money a President has donated and completely unconcerned about those who are suffering in their own communities.
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That shows how little you know.

People can be concerned about both. One can be concerned with what the President does AND be involved with serving and giving to their communities.
 
Reba said:
That shows how little you know.

People can be concerned about both. One can be concerned with what the President does AND be involved with serving and giving to their communities.
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but.... looking at "tradition"... many former Presidents have done more AFTER they leave White House. I do not want our POTUS to be distracted with charity programs. His schedule book should not be filled with PR appointments for charity programs. He can do that after he's done with the presidency.
 
Jiro said:
but.... looking at "tradition"... many former Presidents have done more AFTER they leave White House. I do not want our POTUS to be distracted with charity programs. His schedule book should not be filled with PR appointments for charity programs. He can do that after he's done with the presidency.
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Agreed. But the case with Obama would be if he were more focused on charitable causes, he would be accused of ignoring his duty. No matter what he does, it is wrong in some opinions.
 
Jiro said:
but.... looking at "tradition"... many former Presidents have done more AFTER they leave White House.
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Examples of that "tradition" please.

I do not want our POTUS to be distracted with charity programs. His schedule book should not be filled with PR appointments for charity programs. He can do that after he's done with the presidency.
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Do you realize how lame that sounds?

Who said he had to schedule PR appointments for charities? All he has to do is write checks or use automatic electronic withdrawals from his personal account. If he's too busy for that, then his wife can do it.
 
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