Respect for all

flip said:
I once saw a tape from a school in sweden with a deaf imigrant teachers for deaf imigrants. Can't get more bi-bi, or do we call that tri-lingual tri-cultural? :)
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How about multi-lingual/multi-cultural? Whatever we call it, it shows great signs of progressivenenss.
 
flip said:
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. Early implants seems to be the last selling point they have, if their marketing department not at the moment is figuring out new ways to continue the cash flow. Wonder what the next selling point then will be..
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Intra-uteruran implantation?:giggle:
 
jillio said:
Intra-uteruran implantation?:giggle:
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Whatever that is, that sounds creative, let's hope advanced bionics don't read those threads :giggle: Hope that does not involve implanting babies before they are born?
 
shel90 said:
The other option is for her to get a CI and improve her oral skills but not a good reason to get a CI. Besides she doesnt want one anyway.

Besides the school already employs oral deaf educators who, of course, are hearing.
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Oral teachers of the deaf are not always hearing. I know many that range from a mild hearing loss to a profound hearing and of course they are hearing since they have teach deaf kids to be oral. And I as a parent of 2 deaf oral teenagers would prefer a teacher that had a hearing loss. My children have had teachers with hearing losses in the past.
 
vallee said:
One of my fears of moving to anything state. My mom wants me to move home, I don't want to give up my tenure.
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I guess it is worst in other states then here in California. It is very easy to get a tenure track teaching position if it is in special education. I know elementary it is not easy and in certain areas in high school it is easy like math and science but not history or english.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
Oral teachers of the deaf are not always hearing. I know many that range from a mild hearing loss to a profound hearing and of course they are hearing since they have teach deaf kids to be oral. And I as a parent of 2 deaf oral teenagers would prefer a teacher that had a hearing loss. My children have had teachers with hearing losses in the past.
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I asked a parent here on AD (not going to name names) about a deaf teacher teaching his child and he said no way and another parent agreed.
 
Buffalo said:
I do and I am sure that there are other Deaf people who feel the same way. Then I just thought of not enough of Deaf professionals. It is because of that paper that there should be deaf board and deaf school. Speech therapy can be included for CI kids if there are any $$ for it.

What if there are parents who can't afford CI like Hispanics and Native Americans??? That is why I want to know if there is a public like school that can be under the control of Deaf people.
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But in the United States if a person wants a CI and does not have insurance they can get it through Medi-cal and they can get speech through Medi-cal if they want. This is only if they want a CI not they should all have it.
 
vallee said:
Not every child can qualify for CI. It is not just not for everyone. It targets a small population. That is why I don't see deaf schools or bi bi programs going from schools. I hope not. Each targets only a part of the Deaf population. I see room for child's education needs being met.

Shel, does your school have any programs that include Oral Deaf? Could the two programs work together or are they so different that it would not work?
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There is a great oral deaf school in the middle of CA that is trying to figure out how to have a TC and oral program together on the same campus. They are trying to figure out to do this with a local public school district.
 
flip said:
What a nightmare it would be for you if those laws was passed. Imagine, deaf people deciding themselves what is good for them... Scary!

As every responsible deaf person would do after meeting too many children deprived of language with wounds from oralism, you bet I do, and will do anything I am capable of to fight the oral terrorism you promote. Don't worry if you think I am just sitting and complaining.
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Good for you and I am glad you are trying to change things. It is not scary for me.
 
SxyPorkie said:
RR had opened this thread wanting us to debate reasonably... Now you started all bullshit.. pinpointed to Rick.... YOU STOP IT.. NO MORE BASHING ON CERTAIN PERSONS..... DEBATE REASONABLE... NO MORE BIG WORDS YOU KNOW NOTHING... continue debating without bashing.. we want to debate in peace.. so shut up...
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RIGHT ON, Great Post
 
I thought that this thread was started by me to discuss respect for all and that RR open it again if we stick to the point and to the reasons that this thread was started in the first place. I think many of us should look at deafbaglel, I know I spelled it wrong. She stated her point which was different then mine but in a kind respectful manner. We should learn from her.
 
shel90 said:
I asked a parent here on AD (not going to name names) about a deaf teacher teaching his child and he said no way and another parent agreed.
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That parent is entitle to his/her opinion, there's nothing wrong with that, because hearing teachers could be able to listen to their deaf child's voice if he/she are pronouncing the words correctly, maybe that was the reason.
 
Cheri said:
That parent is entitle to his/her opinion, there's nothing wrong with that, because hearing teachers could be able to listen to their deaf child's voice if he/she are pronouncing the words correctly, maybe that was the reason.
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You are right Cheri, different parents think differently. Since I am an oral teacher of deaf I was always able to help my kids with things they were not able to get or understand in school. So for me it was important that my children had role models like themselves in their lives because I knew if their teacher didn't catch something I would at home. But that is me. I can see where other parents want to make sure that their child's teacher was able to hear everything and catch mistakes. Different things work differently for different chidlren and families.
 
jillio said:
It is on the rise in Sweden because they now have some longitudinal data to work with regarding CI implanted students. The CI was not the panacea that it was believed it was going to be. They have discovered, through logitudinal data on these students, that oral only, despite the miracle claims of CI, was not accomplishing educational goals. The U.S. has the same data available, the the hard core oralists are refusing to see it, and when it is pointed out, those bringing it to their attention are called anti-CI.
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Is there a link online for us to read on this?? Thanks!
 
Buffalo said:
Is there a link online for us to read on this?? Thanks!
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Have you read the book titled Educating Deaf Children Bilingually: With Insights & Applications from Sweden and Denmark by Shawn N. Mahshie? I have no idea if it will include the research that Jillo is talking about - but I do know that I got goose bumps when I had read it! If you get bored and haven't read this one - go for it :). The style is boring but the context (the "meat") is interesting, at least that's my opinion.
 
deafbajagal said:
Have you read the book titled Educating Deaf Children Bilingually: With Insights & Applications from Sweden and Denmark by Shawn N. Mahshie? I have no idea if it will include the research that Jillo is talking about - but I do know that I got goose bumps when I had read it! If you get bored and haven't read this one - go for it :). The style is boring but the context (the "meat") is interesting, at least that's my opinion.
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Could you please fill us on what the book says? Thanks!

The Amazon.com list those used books from $70 tp $90. I ain't rich and I got 15 books on my Amazon.com wish list and most of them are related to Deaf culture, etc.
 
Yes, Jillo I would like a link. Flip, I googled about Japan..couldnt find anything about it. Thanks!
 
deafbajagal said:
Have you read the book titled Educating Deaf Children Bilingually: With Insights & Applications from Sweden and Denmark by Shawn N. Mahshie? I have no idea if it will include the research that Jillo is talking about - but I do know that I got goose bumps when I had read it! If you get bored and haven't read this one - go for it :). The style is boring but the context (the "meat") is interesting, at least that's my opinion.
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I would love to read that book..thanks for sharing it! :)
 
Cheri said:
That parent is entitle to his/her opinion, there's nothing wrong with that, because hearing teachers could be able to listen to their deaf child's voice if he/she are pronouncing the words correctly, maybe that was the reason.
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My pronouce accurated " F-Y". Rest of other words, I could not speak. Isn't it strange? :lol:
 
Educating Deaf Children Bilingually: With Insights & Applications from Sweden and Denmark by Shawn N. Mahshie

It gets me curious to read that book. ;)
 
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