Police: 20 Feared Dead After Florida Nightclub Terror Attack

[LoveBlue]

They are very rare, it is just like blacks join KKK or Christians join ISIS.

Majority of LGBT people voted DEM due to anti-LGBT stance on GOP party platform so it will not change until politicians and delegates tone down the anti-LGBT stance, also Libertarian Party offer compromise solution by getting government out of LGBT and anti-LGBT people, except for their live in danger that require LEO action.

How you do feel when people generalize about blacks, LGBT, etc? You are doing the same with GOPs.

 

[Woody]

Yes, it does hurt my feeling but I decide to ignore him instead of confront him, it won't change him after Calvin talked to him.

It's my trademark. You have a mouse with guns as an avatar. I didn't see that as disrespectful to the victims.

 

[Steinhauer]

ah so you're saying Omar Mateen has received training and instruction from ISIS to execute this disgusting acts of terrorism?

It was a simple straight forward question Jiro.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

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Are you familiar with the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

It applies here.

Did you know that in 11 Islamic controlled countries, that homosexuals are put to death?

Do you see anyone attempting to do that in the US?

Not sure you're talking to but I know the ISIS kill gay people . The shooter could of been a lone wolf

I am sure media hides a lot of information from the public. Hard to find good reliable sources for news.

This is an on going investigation so a lot so the public won't know a lot more until the FBI and police are finish. The reporters keep asking questions when they were just
told by the police is an on going investigation and they can't give out some info . I have to admire the police for having to keeping say this and not get impatient with
the reporters !

 

[Rio]

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Not sure you're talking to but I know the ISIS kill gay people . The shooter could of been a lone wolf

This is an on going investigation so a lot so the public won't know a lot more until the FBI and police are finish. The reporters keep asking questions when they were just
told by the police is an on going investigation and they can't give out some info . I have to admire the police for having to keeping say this and not get impatient with
the reporters !

 

[Rio]

That makes senses the police are still investigating. I saw a video piece , a club goer survived because he was pretending to be dead for 3 hours . This guy had additional information of his side of the story. The killer made phone calls and someone else was helping him . We won't know the full details until later.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

That makes senses the police are still investigating. I saw a video piece , a club goer survived because he was pretending to be dead for 3 hours . This guy had additional information of his side of the story. The killer made phone calls and someone else was helping him . We won't know the full details until later.

I heard the shooter had people held hostage in a bathroom while he was making phone calls , it was reported today that shooter was laughing and celebrating while on the phone with the police but the police said they didn't hear this on the call. There conflicting reports coming out so it's hard to know what really happen . This is so tragic
my heart goes out to the families and friends that lost love ones and to the people that were wounded .

 

[Steinhauer]

I guess it was too much to ask to rush the guy?

 

[Steinhauer]

Both President GWB and President Obama proposed the law to prohibit any weapon sales and explosives to anyone on terror watch list... both times were rejected by GOP as an assault on American citizen's constitutional rights.

Omar Mateen was on FBI's watch list and because his background check was clean... he was cleared to buy any firearm. Because his ex-wife never reported to police about domestic violence... his record remained clean. Florida has one of the strictest domestic violence law in the country. One single DV charge/arrest (except misdemeanor) would automatically prohibit him from obtaining a firearm and most likely get fired from his private security firm.

Nope - you are wrong. He was not on any "watch" list.

You are giving out FALSE and MISLEADING information yet again.

The FBI interviewed him 3 times - they did NOT put him on a watch list.

 

[Foxrac]

It's my trademark. You have a mouse with guns as an avatar. I didn't see that as disrespectful to the victims.

Enough with grinning.

This thread isn't funny.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

The case was close with the shooter after being interview 3 times within 3 years . He was seen as no threat . I wonder if anyone talk to his wife or parents during any of the
interviews to get a better picture of him?
I do seen to recall hearing the info was not shared with the police in Orlando , I thought this was to be done after the Boston bombing .

 

[hoichi]

Basing it on what his ex wife and her family has said about his mental stability or instability.

We are averaging about one of these shootings ever two months, so it's not like they are a rare occurrence. It will only be a few days or maybe a couple months before someone else will try and "break" this guys record.

Normal people just don't go into work, schools, nightclubs etc. and start killing innocent people.

so now your basing your ideas on what an ex wife says...

alright,
well, i wouldn't put much faith in what ex wives state, mine stood in court and looked a judge in the face and told him i was an angel, couldn't hurt a fly, and was innocent...
i thanked her for it
but she was full of it....;-)

do normal people ever kill people?

how are you measuring normality?

do normal people ever get radicalized and kill for a cause, ideology or their religion? or state?

this guy stated very clearly who he was killing for
it wasn't roger rabbit

so what do you make of this..?

further the one who he claimed he killed for actually also stated he did for them..
so..

you've been avoiding a number of serious questions.
i don't expect you to use critical thinking and actually honestly answer them
but
if you want to surprise me
go for it

 

[hoichi]

Did you come across any material revealing a strong connection between Omar Mateen and terrorist organization? and that he had received training and instruction from a terrorist organization?


Taliban sympathizer. How so? Exactly what role did he play for Taliban? You will find pretty much thousands of Afghanistan refugees/immigrants who had "swore" oath to Taliban and they did it out of fear for their safety. It's better than getting killed, right?

But let me guess... it doesn't matter to you and they are considered as Taliban sympathizers and terrorists, right?


fascinating.... 1941... and 1942.... can't even find any Islamic sleeper agent in America?


who said we weren't? nobody did.

we know he claimed to be affiliated to al qeada, according tot he fbi (though we shouldn't believe much from their lips granted) hence their investigation of him,

we know he stated to 911 that he pledged allegiance to a foreign state (isis) and stated he was killing for their cause.

so

yet
its conveienently hushed, ignored, sidestepped in favour of the rogerrabbit idea of him doing it..

why?

what if i went out and just killed one person, just one.

and during it i told the cops im killing the guy for you...

and then you state to the cops yes indeed he killed for me...

how would the state react?

would they ignore it?

and just cop me up to being some crazed dude killing for mickymouse?
or would they take both your statements accepting responsibility for the killing and mine at face value?
would they charge you with the crime also?

if so

why is it different then if i killed 50? like this guy?
and stated my claims and you accept them gleelfull...
why woudl they ignore that? or dismiss it? to the same extant as ive seen it ignored and dimissed regarding this guya and isis?

 

[hoichi]

im also having a hard time believing his father.
this killer was 29 years old and never saw two guys kiss before?

untill one day recently in miami and he saw it and it upset him so he decided to smoke 50 people.
ok
i might accept that if he was indeed from some cave someplace..somewhere.
the plm is the killer was born in the states, raised int he states,

i cant fathom anyone in america these days never witnessing two guys or girls ever kissing until they are 29 pushing 30..
never in a movie or online or out about, never until all the sudden recently

im sorry
given contemporaneity society

i dont buy it
its a nice story though.

i understand why his old man is pretty well trying to take any spotlight or heat of of his faith and its radical adherents.
i get that..
but i dont buy it

im pretty surprised people are buying it..

 

[hoichi]

That crossed my mind, too, as the news keeps saying "worse mass killing"...

has it ever occurred to you
that the killer didn't smoke these people to set a record, but actually did kill for the reasons HE stated he killed?

 

[Rio]

The case was close with the shooter after being interview 3 times within 3 years . He was seen as no threat . I wonder if anyone talk to his wife or parents during any of the
interviews to get a better picture of him?
I do seen to recall hearing the info was not shared with the police in Orlando , I thought this was to be done after the Boston bombing .

I posted FYI interview his ex-wife a few posts back

 

[LoveBlue]

has it ever occurred to you
that the killer didn't smoke these people to set a record, but actually did kill for the reasons HE stated he killed?

What I was thinking was that someone else may be crazy enough to go out and kill more than 49 people just to say they did it

 

[hoichi]

Omar Mateen. What do we know about him? He was an American citizen. 29 years old. Born and raised in America. New Yorker native. He was married to a very beautiful girl from NJ in 2009 and then divorced her in 2011 in Florida. His ex-wife stated that he was a very private person, abusive, and mentally unstable. He was not religious either.

we shouldn't put much faith in what ex wives state about their exs..but if true, did the ex wife go tot he state with her claims? did she inform the police of the abuse? do we have any evidence besides her word?

Omar was employed as a juvenile prison security guard by G4S Secure Solutions since 2007 - one of the largest private security firm in America (I'm guessing that by tomorrow morning when the stock market opens, the parent company of G4S will take some hit). Perhaps that's where he received firearm training from - not ISIS or any terrorist organization. He had a criminal justice degree from a local college. He aspired to be a police officer. He was just as American as just like any of us.

Late in his 20’s (few years ago)... he started to appear in FBI's radar in 2013 for a very faint tiny weak string just because of some hateful comment he made to his coworkers relating to terrorists... and again in 2014 about a possible tie with Floridian suicide bomber who went to Syria - just because Omar expressed a sympathy for him. The government - Homeland Security, FBI, and bunch of other 3-letter acronyms had found zero (direct and indirect) connection between Omar and any terrorist organization. He had never traveled to any Muslim country nor received any instruction/training from any terrorist organization.

Like any other American citizens… Omar was entitled to his Amendment Two. He was able to LEGALLY acquired weapons because he was not a criminal, he had a clean history, and PLUS he had a security officer license. HOWEVER - Omar was on FBI’s terror watch list for some time. President Obama had once again proposed a bill to prohibit any weapon sales to anyone on terror watch list but the Republican Party has repeatedly rejected that bill. President GWB first proposed this bill and Republican Party had rejected it. And because his ex-wife did not report domestic violence to police... Omar's background record remained clean and clear.

alright

Now... let's do some math. Take out the "Muslim name" from this equation. Take out “ISIS”. What do you get? You get hateful people with hateful views toward a specific group of people - Jewish people, gay people, abortion doctors, Muslim people, and bunch more. In this case, hateful people like Omar Mateen and James Howell hated gay people. Who is James Howell? the one who just got arrested for attempting to massacre people at gay pride parade in LA. Police discovered explosive devices, chemical weapon, and multiple assault weapons in his car.

bud why take out his name? why cover up simple facts ;like the killers stated allegiance to a foreign state? why ignore that he stated he was killing for their cause and that they in turn actually stated he did and did it for them by claiming responsibly?
did james howe state his allegiance to a firgn state? and that he was going to kill for them?
if not
tossing him into this is just purposely muddying the discussion (and yes i understand why you wish too)

So what is this about? Not ISIS. Not Muslim people. Not terrorism. This is about an attack on GLBT community - an act of hate by Omar Mateen and James Howell. There is a huge difference between people who have received training and instruction from terrorist organization and people who “sympathized” and/or follow terrorist organization for their hateful ideology and this is what we call a lone wolf…. and a terrorist wannabe.

So is this a case of a lone wolf self-radicalizing or a mentally unstable lunatic with deranged hateful views - a ticking bomb? I believe it's the latter.

if this was not about isis can you pls explain to me why the killer stated he did it for them and why they in turn accepted it and claimed responsibility?
thank you

what is the actual difference between those who get training from terrorist groups and those who sympathize besides the actual level of training?

i think its rather rich to claim this guy who just pulled the worst mass shooting in america and stated he did it for a foreign state is a terrorist wannabe.

given the terror his actions has spread.
call him what you will
a wannabe this guy most certainly was not

id agree with you if, and that is if, his actions didnt spread any terror.
so
has any terror been caused by this?

if this was done by someone who stated he did it for the klan and then the klan state yes indeed he did it for us..
would the press, you and other be as dismissive?

 

[hoichi]

What I was thinking was that someone else may be crazy enough to go out and kill more than 49 people just to say they did it

well.
or someone else who is not crazy but is an adherent to a foreign state and is radicalized will go out and kill more then 49 people because their ideology and their allegiance to it compels them too

 

[seb]

http://abc7.com/news/orlando-shooter-omar-mateens-ex-wife-says-he-beat-her/1383015/

FYI

Yes, that came out after he shot 103 people. Like many other past shooters, his significant others kept quiet until after the fact, because they didn't want the world to know someone in their family was mentally unbalanced.