Phonak CROC

This is what Phonak state -

Naída hearing systems, modified with the special battery compartment (allowing use of the audio shoe and connected universal FM receiver), are no longer water resistant.
 
The Phonak Naida water resistant rating with the right battery draw is IP54.

If you have the CROS aid which uses size 13 battery then that is a H2O product which is IP67 which can be submerged for 29 mins at a time.
 
LoveBlue said:
http://www.phonak.com/content/dam/p...documents/Datasheet_Phonak_ComPilot_V1.00.pdf

See page two for info about the neckloop. I don't see anything that looks like it uses the telecoil. Remember, not all HAs have t-coils so I imagine you would see that requirement for the ComPilot
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Yes, I notice the lack of information. If it was a regular antenna, I would expect it to work much like the FM system, you would be able to hold it several feet from the aid and it should still pick up something. However, it works much like a telephone, you must be very close to the aid to pick up the magnetic field.

I have not had a hearing aid that did not have a tele-coil for quite a long time. I think the difference would be the size of the aid today. Can a small hearing aid use a neck loop, or can an aid without a tele-coil use a neckloop?
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Yes, I notice the lack of information. If it was a regular antenna, I would expect it to work much like the FM system, you would be able to hold it several feet from the aid and it should still pick up something. However, it works much like a telephone, you must be very close to the aid to pick up the magnetic field.

I have not had a hearing aid that did not have a tele-coil for quite a long time. I think the difference would be the size of the aid today. Can a small hearing aid use a neck loop, or can an aid without a tele-coil use a neckloop?
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I think the loop antenna is transmitting a ?low-freq? FM signal that only the HA is able to pick up. You wouldn't want others to listen in on your phone conversations, would you (if they had a FM receiver that could pick up the signal).

I don't think you can get t-coils in small HAs, especially the ITC's. You can use the ComPilot with HAs that do not have t-coils, because the ComPilot communicates with something else in the HA, not t-coils.

Just remember that the ComPilot is a streamer, not a telecoil neckloop.
 
The Naidas can have t coil added as a program. You just need to ask for it.
 
My understanding for years has been that T-coil and neckloop with it are both using a magnetic field.
 
NaidaUP said:
The Naidas can have t coil added as a program. You just need to ask for it.
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Oh, I have it. Just in case I need to go back to using my telecoil neckloop. Or better yet, if I ever find a venue near me that is looped.
 
LoveBlue said:
Oh, I have it. Just in case I need to go back to using my telecoil neckloop. Or better yet, if I ever find a venue near me that is looped.
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I've personally given up on my t coil as even tho many of the shops, venues etc are looped, they never work and when you tell them, they haven't got a clue.

Last year, I went to this set of offices with meeting rooms for a meeting and they had, had a loop system installed for 2 years in each room. Turns out the whole thing was set up wrong so never worked but they didn't know until I tried to use it :)
 
NaidaUP said:
I've personally given up on my t coil as even tho many of the shops, venues etc are looped, they never work and when you tell them, they haven't got a clue.

Last year, I went to this set of offices with meeting rooms for a meeting and they had, had a loop system installed for 2 years in each room. Turns out the whole thing was set up wrong so never worked but they didn't know until I tried to use it :)
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Well, at least they're more prevalent in the UK/Europe. There's a push on to Loop America, but I'm sure it will be slow going.
 
LoveBlue said:
I think the loop antenna is transmitting a ?low-freq? FM signal that only the HA is able to pick up. You wouldn't want others to listen in on your phone conversations, would you (if they had a FM receiver that could pick up the signal).

I don't think you can get t-coils in small HAs, especially the ITC's. You can use the ComPilot with HAs that do not have t-coils, because the ComPilot communicates with something else in the HA, not t-coils.

Just remember that the ComPilot is a streamer, not a telecoil neckloop.
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That is a good point, but I don't think even the FM transmitter is encrypted which can also link to a phone via bluetooth. Expensive equipment could pick up that magnetic field if someone wanted to listen, but I don't think it is about security.

I honestly think the neckloop is a real neckloop and that is why it is named the same.

Even if it was frequency, does that really impact distance?
 
NaidaUP said:
You can use the (myLink?) neck loop with the t coil but this link shows that even with that, you don't hear the best compared to the dynmatic receivers.

http://www.phonak.com/content/dam/phonak/b2b/C_M_tools/FM/Digital-vs-Dynamic-FM.pdf
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I do get as good sound out of the ComPliot, but I'm still talking with my audi about the db gain and if it needs to be addressed in software.

Also, want to that all and NadiaUP, LoveBlue and Jane especially for the information.

Still more to discuss I'm sure...
 
NaidaUP said:
The technology has really changed in the recievers not the transmitter, from what I understand as the only different with the SX and the + is better bluetooth and a anti rustling system so when you hold the transmitter, its not so noisy.

The dynmatic recievers can detect speech within noise and raise it 16db above the noise. To get this to work well tho, you need the FM recievers to be programmed to the same amount of gain as your aid using the Phonak FM SuccessWare software.

I used the recievers without them being programmed to the same amount of gain as my hearing aids and the sound quality was really really rubbish (the sound was still way better then the older FM that I was using) compared to after it had been programmed properly.
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The audi said she called Phonak and the SuccessWare software is very expensive, she does not have it. She says the following about the features:

"Yes, you are not losing any features. It is all in the amount of gain in the FM program and how we have the attenuation of the mics set. If you want more input from the FM, I can turn up the gain in the FM program and attenuate the mics more. This will achieve the same effect that your friend is mentioning."

Is this true?
 
This is why I left my one audi, who I liked, and found another one a few years ago. I wanted the Naidas and my audi at that time did not have the "up-to-date" software for Phonak and didn't think she'd be able to get the ENT office to approve the cost to update, so I shopped around for a new audi. As it is, my old audi now works for my new audi but at a different office. I'm sure my old audi is still primarily an Oticon audi, though.
 
Straight answer, is NO!

If you need more gain within the FM receiver, raising the volume with in the FM program will make some different but will not do anything to the sound quality. It will just make it worse.

The different from when I didn't have mine programmed and now, its 100000% better.

According to my local Phonak as I'm not in the USA, the software is free.

I totally agree with LoveBlue.

My Audi said actually having the FM program programmed will make NO different what so ever.
 
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