Peer Relationships of Children With Cochlear Implants

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So unfortunately we keep hear from those anti-deaf-schoolers sometime over the years... none new, really!

But what is far more important that we and other deaf-school supporters keep up by mopping them sours up with truths so it could keep them out of the bay whenever issues brought up somewhere and here, too.

That is what AD is for as one of our/your reason and mission.
 
Just as there are those who are anti-deaf schools there are also those pro-deaf schoolers who want to turn a blind eye to some of the real problems associated with deaf schools such as sexual abuse, peer pressure and substandard academics. They attempt to minimize those problems or label anyone who attempts to bring them up for discussion as a "hater" or whatever term du jour they use.

The reality, is that any attempt to generalize will be faulty because it is by its very nature a generalization and can be countered by specifics. I would not attempt to claim knowledge of every single deaf school and what they are currently doing be it oral, bi-bi or whatever. Just as every mainstream school district is different from other school districts, it is ludicrous to condem all mainstream programs because someone had a bad experience in some mainstream school years ago.

What I do know is that when we were investigating schools for our daughter we visited, numerous times, the three deaf schools in our area (one oral and two TC). What we were able to determine and my wife was an elementary school teacher with a Masters in Special Ed (which she currently teaches) was that the academic standards and results at both the TC schools were woefully lacking and not what we wanted for our child. When we looked at everything, the higher academic standards, the small class sizes and small size of our SD (1300 kids K-12) plus dedicated Special Ed and School Administrators who wanted our child, not just to graduate but to succeed in their school, made our decision an easy one. For us, and most importantly, for our child, her mainstream experience was rewarding both academically and socially.

So, as I think some of us have said numerous times in this thread, there is no one way to educate any child, even a deaf child, and that the goal is to choose an educational setting that best meets your child's needs. For our child, it was the mainstream and if that means you are too narrow minded to see it as anything as but being anti-deaf school or a "hater", then that is too bad for you but does not change nor affect the positive experiences our daughter had in the mainstream.
Rick
 
rick48 said:
Just as there are those who are anti-deaf schools there are also those pro-deaf schoolers who want to turn a blind eye to some of the real problems associated with deaf schools such as sexual abuse, peer pressure and substandard academics. They attempt to minimize those problems or label anyone who attempts to bring them up for discussion as a "hater" or whatever term du jour they use.

The reality, is that any attempt to generalize will be faulty because it is by its very nature a generalization and can be countered by specifics. I would not attempt to claim knowledge of every single deaf school and what they are currently doing be it oral, bi-bi or whatever. Just as every mainstream school district is different from other school districts, it is ludicrous to condem all mainstream programs because someone had a bad experience in some mainstream school years ago.

What I do know is that when we were investigating schools for our daughter we visited, numerous times, the three deaf schools in our area (one oral and two TC). What we were able to determine and my wife was an elementary school teacher with a Masters in Special Ed (which she currently teaches) was that the academic standards and results at both the TC schools were woefully lacking and not what we wanted for our child. When we looked at everything, the higher academic standards, the small class sizes and small size of our SD (1300 kids K-12) plus dedicated Special Ed and School Administrators who wanted our child, not just to graduate but to succeed in their school, made our decision an easy one. For us, and most importantly, for our child, her mainstream experience was rewarding both academically and socially.

So, as I think some of us have said numerous times in this thread, there is no one way to educate any child, even a deaf child, and that the goal is to choose an educational setting that best meets your child's needs. For our child, it was the mainstream and if that means you are too narrow minded to see it as anything as but being anti-deaf school or a "hater", then that is too bad for you but does not change nor affect the positive experiences our daughter had in the mainstream.
Rick
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Generalization allows for those specifics that fall outside the generalized data. They are called outliers. And they, in no way, invalidate the generalization.
 
rick48 said:
Just as there are those who are anti-deaf schools there are also those pro-deaf schoolers who want to turn a blind eye to some of the real problems associated with deaf schools such as sexual abuse, peer pressure and substandard academics. They attempt to minimize those problems or label anyone who attempts to bring them up for discussion as a "hater" or whatever term du jour they use.

The reality, is that any attempt to generalize will be faulty because it is by its very nature a generalization and can be countered by specifics. I would not attempt to claim knowledge of every single deaf school and what they are currently doing be it oral, bi-bi or whatever. Just as every mainstream school district is different from other school districts, it is ludicrous to condem all mainstream programs because someone had a bad experience in some mainstream school years ago.

What I do know is that when we were investigating schools for our daughter we visited, numerous times, the three deaf schools in our area (one oral and two TC). What we were able to determine and my wife was an elementary school teacher with a Masters in Special Ed (which she currently teaches) was that the academic standards and results at both the TC schools were woefully lacking and not what we wanted for our child. When we looked at everything, the higher academic standards, the small class sizes and small size of our SD (1300 kids K-12) plus dedicated Special Ed and School Administrators who wanted our child, not just to graduate but to succeed in their school, made our decision an easy one. For us, and most importantly, for our child, her mainstream experience was rewarding both academically and socially.

So, as I think some of us have said numerous times in this thread, there is no one way to educate any child, even a deaf child, and that the goal is to choose an educational setting that best meets your child's needs. For our child, it was the mainstream and if that means you are too narrow minded to see it as anything as but being anti-deaf school or a "hater", then that is too bad for you but does not change nor affect the positive experiences our daughter had in the mainstream.
Rick
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rick48 - Excellent post!:ty:
 
jillio said:
Generalization allows for those specifics that fall outside the generalized data. They are called outliers. And they, in no way, invalidate the generalization.
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Jillio, excellent post!:ty:
 
web730 said:
So unfortunately we keep hear from those anti-deaf-schoolers sometime over the years... none new, really!

But what is far more important that we and other deaf-school supporters keep up by mopping them sours up with truths so it could keep them out of the bay whenever issues brought up somewhere and here, too.

That is what AD is for as one of our/your reason and mission.
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:)
 
KarissaMann05 said:
I remembered one of teachers at my ex school, s/he told me they did their jobs to do their best for kids' safety and education. S/he told me that the teacher did try do his/her best to teach kids balancely since students had a various skill and level. I greatly appierated him/her for what he/she tried to do his/her work. Sadly, many anti-deafies are just blind to see how amazing teachers and staffs are.

It always boiled me whenever 'anti-deaf-school' people just give a bad apple toward those deaf schools. I do not want to see all deaf schools shut down because of silly reasons. I like to see them stay and survive all years and years... If all deaf schools are shut down, I refuse to send my kids to public schools, so I just will do homeschool for my future kids...

What an annoying... :|
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Yea, just like in public schools..there are good and bad apples in Deaf schools and I recognize that. Just we need more support because things have improved so much more at Deaf schools now ..if only the majority of the student population would get a strong L1 foundation before coming to the Deaf schools whether it is from public shcools or straight from preK ...boy a lot of problems would get solved but since a majority of students come to the Deaf schools so language delayed whether it is at age 5, age 8, and so on..that is the root of the problems with deaf children literacy/social skills not solely because of deaf schools alone.

Sure mistakes have been made in the past but the majority of staff and policies set forth at Deaf schools are geared to meet the deaf children's needs instead of vice versa.

As the children get older, if they want to experience being mainstreamed, I am all for it...just make sure that they have a strong language foundation, strong literacy and social skills and they should be fine being mainstreamed.
 
shel90 said:
I dont know what that post was in reference too but sounds reasonable so I agree with u that it is a good post. :)
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Thanks, shel I was referring to Rick's claim that you can't make generalization because there are always a few individuals to who it doesn't apply.
 
jillio said:
Thanks, shel I was referring to Rick's claim that you can't make generalization because there are always a few individuals to who it doesn't apply.
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Oh...not interested in what he has to say as he is on my ignore list. :)

Thanks for clarifying.
 
If there are kids picking on other deaf kids about their CIs or hearing aids at the Deaf schools, that would be something new to me and something I would put a STOP to it.

As for staff picking on students for having hearing aides or CIs at the Deaf schools, what they are doing is very unethical and in bad taste.

Where I work at now and where I have interned at, I have never ever seen any staff force any student to take their HAs or CIs off except for recess or PE and that is for safety reasons. If some adults ehre felt that staff forced them to take their HAs or CIS off by the staff, maybe it could be they wanted to ensure that your hearing devices didnt get damaged during physical activities?

If it was to take them off throughout the whole day for a silly reason like Deaf pride or whatever, they shouldnt be working there in the first place.

I wouldnt condone that kind of behavior if I saw that happening at my workplace but fortunately all of my coworkers think the same as do.

It must have been back in the old days just like back in the old days when deaf kids were slapped for using sign language. :dunno:

Bullying..it is a widespread problem that needs to be tackled whether it is at a Deaf or public schools.

Do not say that only Deaf schools have these issuesl.. pls. By doing that, u are just as bad as those who call all parents abusers for implanting their children and we wouldnt want to go there, wouldnt we?
 
and if that means you are too narrow minded to see it as anything as but being anti-deaf school or a "hater", then that is too bad for you but does not change nor affect the positive experiences our daughter had in the mainstream.
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rick48, We're not accusing you of being anti-deaf school or a hater. We're simply saying that your daughter's experiance in the mainstream was somewhat
unusual. I mean she didn't even need the resource room and she didn't have social issues (both which are VERY common for dhh kids in the mainstream)
Yes, there are kids who do well (by ANY definition) mainstreamed........but that doesn't change the fact that MOST kids who are mainstreamed don't do as well as your child has. Most dhh kids are now mainstreamed, but they haven't done as well as your daughter!
It's great that your experiance was so positive........but I think it was just that you were very lucky that your daughter did so well in the mainstream! If one little contribuating factor had been off, then maybe your experiance wouldn't have been the same.
 
loml said:
rick48 - Excellent post!:ty:
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loml,

Thanks, seems that you, like me have been busy this summer. Too bad it is drawing to a close :(

It didn't take long for the three "usuals" to chime in! :) Funny how people with nil or next to no experience with cochlear implant children in the mainstream have so much to say about the topic but then they do the same when the topic is cued speech also. :)

Take care and talk to you soon.
Rick
 
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