Parants of CI children.

[dreama]

I suppose prostitutes shouldn't be arrested either?

No they shouldn't. Only if they are under age the pimps/clients should be arrested but arresting the prostitutes is just persecuting the victims in my view.

I'm sorry this is gone off topic like this but still I don't understand why people react with such hostility.

T was considered a succes but their focus was just on her ability to speak.

 

[Hear Again]

dreama,

you and i do not see eye to eye on this issue, so let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Hear Again]

Depending on how my last post was read, it could be misinterpreted.

As it is, you are the one that specifically said, and I quote, "A girl I know at school was paraded as an oral success as she was HOH and orally taught. She later turned to prostitution." You've drawn a direct correlation between the two.

Exactly AlleyCat. That was my impression as well.

 

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What world are you in? YOU are the one who said that this person was such a success and yet she turned to prostitution.

 

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Shel: I'm confused to. I didn't think refering to someone like T who was still considered a success simply because she was deaf and could speak would generate such bad feeling.

i think dreama is trying to backpeddle her way out of this. she created her own argument and is now trying to cloud the discussion by claiming she said certain things that she did not say. she drew a parallel between t being an oral success yet winding up as a prostitute yet at the same time tells AlleyCat and I that we are not understanding her posts and are confusing the issues.

i see it as quite clear:

1. dreama makes comparision of t being an oral success becoming a prostitute due to her oral education.

2. several ADers challenging this view.

3. dreama insisting that this is not what she said.

4. AlleyCat and Hear Again pointing out exactly how the discussion progressed and how it led to this point.

5. dreama twisting words and trying to make it appear as if AlleyCat and I are confusing the issue by mentioning things that are irrelevant to the discussion when they are anything but.

6. a whole lot of aders confused by this discussion as a result.

 

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by the way, i did not post the above to flame anyone. i thought it would be helpful to provide a step by step scenario of how this discussion started and reached its' current state.

 

[rockdrummer]

I am at a loss for words too. Why does my story offend you so much anyway.

The girl was from a really bad back ground so she should have been incouraged to go to a residental school just to get her out of that environment. Only that's not what happened. The unit cared more about parading her as an oral 'success' then it did about her welfare.

HUH??? What makes you think I am offended? What you have suggested in your story is that the girl turned to prostitution because she was oral. What I am saying is that one has nothing to do with the other and you have re-enforced that by saying

"The girl was from a really bad back ground "

Most likley it is the bad background that turned her to prostitution. This is why these conversations just go in circles. Now you are saying I am offended and I never said or gave any impression I was offended. All I said was I am at a loss for words. How that gets twisted into being offended is beyond me.

 

[rockdrummer]

Hear again, u are entitled to your opinion.

For me, I can't say never never cuz we don't know this person. It could be due to being raised in an oral-only environent, it could be due to other factors, or both of them combined.

I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either.

Exactly why nobody should try to suggest that one has something to do with the other unless they know it for a fact. Anything else is speculation and should not be injected into this type of conversation to meet ones own agenda.

 

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I think the fact that T turned to prostitution due to her oral upbringing can be a mitigating factor, but isn't the sole reason for her doing so. Making a direct correlation between being raised orally and prostitution is invalid since one does not have to do with the other. Furthermore, dreama may have only been referring to one case, but the fact that she mentioned it in the first place indicates that she was trying to use it to justify this person's immoral and unacceptable behavior.

 

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Exactly why nobody should try to suggest that one has something to do with the other unless they know it for a fact. Anything else is speculation and should not be injected into this type of conversation to meet ones own agenda.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[rockdrummer]

Why does mentioning my orally taught friend bother people so much? .

It's because you suggested that because she was orally taught that she turned to prostitution. I think many would consider that an insult to their intelligence.

 

[deafskeptic]

HUH??? What makes you think I am offended? What you have suggested in your story is that the girl turned to prostitution because she was oral. What I am saying is that one has nothing to do with the other and you have re-enforced that by saying

Most likley it is the bad background that turned her to prostitution. This is why these conversations just go in circles. Now you are saying I am offended and I never said or gave any impression I was offended. All I said was I am at a loss for words. How that gets twisted into being offended is beyond me.

I must say I agree with you on this one. While I am not in favor of oralism, most female deaf with an oral background do not turn to prostitution but it certainly can lead to self esteem issues. It is probable that she came from a very abusive family and the oral background didn't help any.

 

[deafskeptic]

I think the fact that T turned to prostitution due to her oral upbringing can be a mitigating factor, but isn't the sole reason for her doing so. Making a direct correlation between being raised orally and prostitution is invalid since one does not have to do with the other. Furthermore, dreama may have only been referring to one case, but the fact that she mentioned it in the first place indicates that she was trying to use it to justify this person's immoral and unacceptable behavior.

Well said.

 

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I must say I agree with you on this one. While I am not in favor of oralism, most female deaf with an oral background do not turn to prostitution but it certainly can lead to self esteem issues. It is probable that she came from a very abusive family and the oral background didn't help any.

This argument I find plausible. I can definitely see where a woman who was physically, sexually and/or emotionally abused would turn to prostitution and how an oral upbringing would exacerbate things, but it is not the sole cause of her behavior. That is the point I was trying to make to which dreama tried twisting my words by indicating that I wasn't understanding her posts. Dreama also said A but later claimed to say B in order to confuse ADers into thinking that we were having an entirely different discussion.

 

[Bottesini]

This argument I find plausible. I can definitely see where a woman who was physically, sexually and/or emotionally abused would turn to prostitution and how an oral upbringing would exacerbate things, but it is not the sole cause of her behavior. That is the point I was trying to make to which dreama tried twisting my words by indicating that I wasn't understanding her posts. Dreama also said A but later claimed to say B in order to confuse ADers into thinking that we were having an entirely different discussion.

Discussion C!! :P

 

[deafskeptic]

Discussion C!! :P

Shall we dicuss C?

 

[Bottesini]

Shall we dicuss C?

I worry a little about what the scenario for "C" would be!

 

[Frisky Feline]

LOL. what about hearing peeps going into prositution because of not being deaf??

 

[shel90]

LOL. what about hearing peeps into prositution because of not being deaf??

What about hearing people going into prositution because they were forced to use ASL?

Bad joke!

 

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shel!

What about me going into prostitution because I was never allowed to drive?