Oral school

[Bottesini]

Ouch! that's gonna leave a mark. :Ohno:

No. It is ok. She is almost exactly like my father. Just with more modern technology.

 

[faire_jour]

No. It is ok. She is almost exactly like my father. Just with more modern technology.

I was being truthful, you know nothing about my child, her life, or her experience. You have not walked her path. Now, If someone wants to explain their experience, than I am more than willing to listen and learn and gain knowledge and hopefully use the things I learn and apply them to my child's life. But no one here "has the corner" on what it is like to be Deaf. Everyone has a different experience.

 

[Bottesini]

I was being truthful, you know nothing about my child, her life, or her experience. You have not walked her path. Now, If someone wants to explain their experience, than I am more than willing to listen and learn and gain knowledge and hopefully use the things I learn and apply them to my child's life. But no one here "has the corner" on what it is like to be Deaf. Everyone has a different experience.

I understand that. And I know you have the best intentions and I am like your nightmare of what might happen to your child.

But you are not going to know the result of your choices until she grows up.

 

[flip]

But you are wrong as the abstract use of the word you are attempting to describe is not its literal meaning. Instead of inventing some feeble and tortured attempt at pretzel logic why not just admit you misused the term and move on.

BTW would love to see your proof that ASL programs help literacy.

What the abstract use of the word have to do with this is beyond my sanity.

Moving on...

So you want proof... Tell me why you are interested in this, and I may give you it. All I need is a rational reason that makes sense.

 

[faire_jour]

I understand that. And I know you have the best intentions and I am like your nightmare of what might happen to your child.

But you are not going to know the result of your choices until she grows up.

The only thing that would bother me is if she grew up bitter and angry, so yeah, sometimes you are exactly my nightmare.

My dream is that she grows up perfectly bilingual. She signs beautifully, speaks as well as she can and is happy and healthy. That she has a family that she loves and a job that she either does well or really likes (can you have both?) and that she can fully reach her potential in everyway.

 

[flip]

I was being truthful, you know nothing about my child, her life, or her experience. You have not walked her path. Now, If someone wants to explain their experience, than I am more than willing to listen and learn and gain knowledge and hopefully use the things I learn and apply them to my child's life. But no one here "has the corner" on what it is like to be Deaf. Everyone has a different experience.

Most parents say their deaf child is unique and different, like you do here. Still the experiences among their children are similar enough to make labels like Deafhood acknowledged in a large scale. What's wrong with this picture?

 

[Bottesini]

The only thing that would bother me is if she grew up bitter and angry, so yeah, sometimes you are exactly my nightmare.

My dream is that she grows up perfectly bilingual. She signs beautifully, speaks as well as she can and is happy and healthy. That she has a family that she loves and a job that she either does well or really likes (can you have both?) and that she can fully reach her potential in everyway.

But I have what you want for her.

And I still can say that the choices made for me were not the best, and the path would have been easier by a different route.

 

[faire_jour]

Most parents say their deaf child is unique and different, like you do here. Still the experiences among their children are similar enough to make labels like Deafhood acknowledged in a large scale. What's wrong with this picture?

Each human being is different. Just because my husband and I grew up hearing in similar place at the same time, doesn't mean we had the same life.

The reason that many Deaf community people have the similar stories, is because they sought out the Deaf community. It is a place that they find people who understand them and support them, because they understand what they have been through.

For example, if you go to a Vet support group you are going to hear similar stories about PTSD. Does that mean ever veteran has PTSD? No. It means that vets who seek out veteran support groups do. So, does every deaf person who grew up orally, hate it and then learn ASL and join the Deaf community? No. But does who did hate it, do.

 

[faire_jour]

But I have what you want for her.

And I still can say that the choices made for me were not the best, and the path would have been easier by a different route.

And what route would that be?? Using ASL??? DONE!

 

[flip]

Each human being is different. Just because my husband and I grew up hearing in similar place at the same time, doesn't mean we had the same life.

The reason that many Deaf community people have the similar stories, is because they sought out the Deaf community. It is a place that they find people who understand them and support them, because they understand what they have been through.

For example, if you go to a Vet support group you are going to hear similar stories about PTSD. Does that mean ever veteran has PTSD? No. It means that vets who seek out veteran support groups do. So, does every deaf person who grew up orally, hate it and then learn ASL and join the Deaf community? No. But does who did hate it, do.

Agree. Many vets got PTSD by the way.

 

[Cheri]

The reason that many Deaf community people have the similar stories, is because they sought out the Deaf community. It is a place that they find people who understand them and support them, because they understand what they have been through.

For example, if you go to a Vet support group you are going to hear similar stories about PTSD. Does that mean ever veteran has PTSD? No. It means that vets who seek out veteran support groups do. So, does every deaf person who grew up orally, hate it and then learn ASL and join the Deaf community? No. But does who did hate it, do.

Good point. On the other hand you must understand the reason why some deaf people are so against oral method, not only from what they had went through themselves, they want to prevent other deaf from going through the similar, more like watching out for others because they care.

 

[Bottesini]

Good point. On the other hand you must understand the reason why some deaf people are so against oral method, not only from what they had went through themselves, but they want to prevent other deaf from going through the similar, more like watching out for others because they care.

I second that.

 

[faire_jour]

Good point. On the other hand you must understand the reason why some deaf people are so against oral method, not only from what they had went through themselves, they want to prevent other deaf from going through the similar, more like watching out for others because they care.

And I totally get that. But they can't assume that every single person and every single program ia exactly like what they experienced.

 

[rick48]

What the abstract use of the word have to do with this is beyond my sanity.

Moving on...

So you want proof... Tell me why you are interested in this, and I may give you it. All I need is a rational reason that makes sense.

Since you are moving on, I won't touch your assumption about your sanity.

I'm not into playing your little games, if you want to provide it fine, if not fine also.

 

[flip]

Since you are moving on, I won't touch your assumption about your sanity.

I'm not into playing your little games, if you want to provide it fine, if not fine also.

It's great to see that you aren't playing my little games. Since you would "love to see" proof, I will be kind enough to provide you with some. As we aren't playing games, I expect you to read through those evidences, and make corrections where you were wrong. Happy to help you

 

[flip]

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[shel90]

All the proof that ASL helped with literacy skills

Flip beat me to it!

 

[faire_jour]

Can someone write this in a way that is readable?

 

[shel90]

Hi Everyone,
I am new to this site and am excited to see the dialogue. In the early years, I was educated using sign and oral language. As I progressed to 4th or5th grade I was forced to chose: oral or sign. Choosing also dictated where I would go to school, locally or specialized. As a small child I was almost always the only child who was deaf/hearing impaired, I foolishly chose oral because I wanted to be like the "hearing kids." Little did I understand that I would never pass as a hearing child no matter how well I spoke. I paid an incredibly high price for this choice and have worked long and hard to make peace with the decision I made. Knowing what I know today, I would never force a child to have to chose one over the other, I would advocate for the use of multiple forms of communication rather than forcing one format. Forcing a child to use only one method robs the child of the opportunity to build a strong well-rounded identity. Lack of identity creates havock on self-esteem, which spirals into a painful existence. It took years to forgive myself for the choice I made and I am so thrilled to find validation in the struggles of being deaf/HOH in an environment that does not support deaf/HOH.

 

[shel90]

I understand that. And I know you have the best intentions and I am like your nightmare of what might happen to your child.

But you are not going to know the result of your choices until she grows up.

Damn! Talk about being BLUNT!