'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

Even President Obama said, "“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
 
South Carolina Sheriff To Women: Carry A Pistol To Kill Rapists

A sheriff in South Carolina urged women this week to carry pistols in an attempt to stop rapists. Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright told women in his precinct, ”you ain’t got to be accurate; you just have to get close.”

The sheriff made his remark after a female was walking her dog when she was choked and nearly raped by a repeat offender. According to Sheriff Wright women should apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon to deal with “animals” while he added “[our] form of justice is not making it. Carry a concealed weapon. That’ll fix it.”

Wright told WYFF4-TV that the man would likely have been stopped sooner if he was met by a female with a gun. During the conference the officer held up a modern-day holster and fanny pack used for concealing a “small pistol” and he even recommended the brand of gun women should consider buying.

Speaking about the reaction he expects from liberals Wright said:

“I’m tired of looking at victims saying, ‘There’s life after this.’ I’m tired of saying, ‘We’re sorry, we can’t keep them in jail.’”

When asked if he believed in gun control he said:

“When you can get your barrel on the target quick, that’s gun control.”

South Carolina Sheriff To Women: Carry A Pistol To Kill Rapists
 
Reba said:
South Carolina Sheriff To Women: Carry A Pistol To Kill Rapists

A sheriff in South Carolina urged women this week to carry pistols in an attempt to stop rapists. Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright told women in his precinct, ”you ain’t got to be accurate; you just have to get close.”

The sheriff made his remark after a female was walking her dog when she was choked and nearly raped by a repeat offender. According to Sheriff Wright women should apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon to deal with “animals” while he added “[our] form of justice is not making it. Carry a concealed weapon. That’ll fix it.”

Wright told WYFF4-TV that the man would likely have been stopped sooner if he was met by a female with a gun. During the conference the officer held up a modern-day holster and fanny pack used for concealing a “small pistol” and he even recommended the brand of gun women should consider buying.

Speaking about the reaction he expects from liberals Wright said:

“I’m tired of looking at victims saying, ‘There’s life after this.’ I’m tired of saying, ‘We’re sorry, we can’t keep them in jail.’”

When asked if he believed in gun control he said:

“When you can get your barrel on the target quick, that’s gun control.”

South Carolina Sheriff To Women: Carry A Pistol To Kill Rapists
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I was waiting for someone to post that one. :ty: Reba.
 
Reba said:
South Carolina Sheriff To Women: Carry A Pistol To Kill Rapists

A sheriff in South Carolina urged women this week to carry pistols in an attempt to stop rapists. Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright told women in his precinct, ”you ain’t got to be accurate; you just have to get close.”

The sheriff made his remark after a female was walking her dog when she was choked and nearly raped by a repeat offender. According to Sheriff Wright women should apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon to deal with “animals” while he added “[our] form of justice is not making it. Carry a concealed weapon. That’ll fix it.”

Wright told WYFF4-TV that the man would likely have been stopped sooner if he was met by a female with a gun. During the conference the officer held up a modern-day holster and fanny pack used for concealing a “small pistol” and he even recommended the brand of gun women should consider buying.

Speaking about the reaction he expects from liberals Wright said:

“I’m tired of looking at victims saying, ‘There’s life after this.’ I’m tired of saying, ‘We’re sorry, we can’t keep them in jail.’”

When asked if he believed in gun control he said:

“When you can get your barrel on the target quick, that’s gun control.”

South Carolina Sheriff To Women: Carry A Pistol To Kill Rapists
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I'm kinda kicking myself for getting back into this ridiculous thread, but I think this is an interesting thing you've posted, Reba, and merits some discussion.

You'll get no argument from me against a woman defending herself from a rapist using deadly force. Kill the fucker. Sounds great! But do you really think carrying a gun is going to be the magical fix-it this sheriff is claiming it will be? How easy will it be for a woman to draw her weapon and shoot a rapist before he has subdued her? Don't most rapists use an element of surprise? (Of course, then you have date rape and cases of rape involving two people who know each other, including spousal rape. This is another topic though) In that case, will a concealed gun in a purse or handbag even help? Carrying doesn't automatically mean you are protected. In the case of a rape, I can see this actually being even MORE dangerous for the woman. What if the rapist discovers she has the gun and is trying to use it on him? How is that going to fit into his deranged mind?

The sheriff expressed a rather vigilante attitude without really thinking this through, IMO. He's right though, the system isn't working to protect women, and something needs to be done. Are guns the answer? I highly doubt it.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
I'm kinda kicking myself for getting back into this ridiculous thread, but I think this is an interesting thing you've posted, Reba, and merits some discussion.

You'll get no argument from me against a woman defending herself from a rapist using deadly force. Kill the fucker. Sounds great! But do you really think carrying a gun is going to be the magical fix-it this sheriff is claiming it will be? How easy will it be for a woman to draw her weapon and shoot a rapist before he has subdued her? Don't most rapists use an element of surprise? (Of course, then you have date rape and cases of rape involving two people who know each other, including spousal rape. This is another topic though) In that case, will a concealed gun in a purse or handbag even help? Carrying doesn't automatically mean you are protected. In the case of a rape, I can see this actually being even MORE dangerous for the woman. What if the rapist discovers she has the gun and is trying to use it on him? How is that going to fit into his deranged mind?

The sheriff expressed a rather vigilante attitude without really thinking this through, IMO. He's right though, the system isn't working to protect women, and something needs to be done. Are guns the answer? I highly doubt it.
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I think it shows that even law enforcement officials believe that they can't adequately protect women from violence. Part of the problem is the guilty guys get released without changing their ways.

On another TV interview, the sheriff emphasized how repeat offenders, especially rapists, are let out only to offend again.

I think he was more frustrated with the justice system.
 
I feel that the guns are a temporary, not-solve all solution until they can find a better way to address the issue on the bigger problem with criminals. It sort of seems like a method to buy time until the government figures the real problem at bay, for the time being you're left to rely on the police, or fend for yourselves. Lots of people fall into both 1 and 2.

I picture the case of a trucker carrying a big load of transported goods. Robber/hijacker jumps him in the middle of the night on some interstate pull over. He can't rely on the police at all for his situation, but he can control it if he was legally carrying a firearm.
 
Reba said:
I think it shows that even law enforcement officials believe that they can't adequately protect women from violence. Part of the problem is the guilty guys get released without changing their ways.

On another TV interview, the sheriff emphasized how repeat offenders, especially rapists, are let out only to offend again.

I think he was more frustrated with the justice system.
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I agree 100%, and I think it's terrible, but you didn't answer my questions about the actual effectiveness of a gun in a surprise rape situation.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
...But do you really think carrying a gun is going to be the magical fix-it this sheriff is claiming it will be? How easy will it be for a woman to draw her weapon and shoot a rapist before he has subdued her? Don't most rapists use an element of surprise? ... In that case, will a concealed gun in a purse or handbag even help? ... What if the rapist discovers she has the gun and is trying to use it on him? How is that going to fit into his deranged mind?
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I don't think the sheriff believes it's a magical fix-it. It's just an additional tool for self-defense.

Each attack is different, so there is no one answer for that.

I think he's hoping that if it's widely publicized that more women are packing heat, the perps might not be so anxious to attack. :dunno:

Personally, I don't recommend carrying a gun in purse that can be snatched away. I prefer that it be kept on the body.

I really can't say how finding a gun on the victim will fit into the deranged mind of a rapist or killer.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
I'm kinda kicking myself for getting back into this ridiculous thread, but I think this is an interesting thing you've posted, Reba, and merits some discussion.

You'll get no argument from me against a woman defending herself from a rapist using deadly force. Kill the fucker. Sounds great! But do you really think carrying a gun is going to be the magical fix-it this sheriff is claiming it will be? How easy will it be for a woman to draw her weapon and shoot a rapist before he has subdued her? Don't most rapists use an element of surprise? (Of course, then you have date rape and cases of rape involving two people who know each other, including spousal rape. This is another topic though) In that case, will a concealed gun in a purse or handbag even help? Carrying doesn't automatically mean you are protected. In the case of a rape, I can see this actually being even MORE dangerous for the woman. What if the rapist discovers she has the gun and is trying to use it on him? How is that going to fit into his deranged mind?

The sheriff expressed a rather vigilante attitude without really thinking this through, IMO. He's right though, the system isn't working to protect women, and something needs to be done. Are guns the answer? I highly doubt it.
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then you're beginning to support carrying guns in public?

TheWriteAlex said:
I agree 100%, and I think it's terrible, but you didn't answer my questions about the actual effectiveness of a gun in a surprise rape situation.
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this is not about "effectiveness" to prevent or lower crime rate. this is about giving women an option to protect themselves so that it's not women coming into police department as rape victims with unsolvable/crappy cases and there's nothing more frustrating and distressing for sheriffs when they are unable to do anything about it because most rape cases are unsolved or crappy.

Crappy meaning... they know their rapists and there's not much sheriffs can do about it.

what do you think what would be effective in a surprise rape situation? karate class?
 
Jiro said:
then you're beginning to support carrying guns in public?



this is not about "effectiveness" to prevent or lower crime rate. this is about giving women an option to protect themselves so that it's not women coming into police department as rape victims with unsolvable/crappy cases and there's nothing more frustrating and distressing for sheriffs when they are unable to do anything about it because most rape cases are unsolved or crappy.

Crappy meaning... they know their rapists and there's not much sheriffs can do about it.

what do you think what would be effective in a surprise rape situation? karate class?
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You again? *yawn* I believe I told you that until you answered my questions, I was done answering yours.

But, since you thrive on the attention, I will say that I believe 100% that some good self-defense classes would be far more effective for a woman in a rape situation than carrying a gun. A rapist must get close in order to commit the crime. Self-defense maneuvers are highly effective in close quarters. A gun is not.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
You again? *yawn* I believe I told you that until you answered my questions, I was done answering yours.
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and I've already replied back - which one?

TheWriteAlex said:
But, since you thrive on the attention, I will say that I believe 100% that some good self-defense classes would be far more effective for a woman in a rape situation than carrying a gun. A rapist must get close in order to commit the crime. Self-defense maneuvers are highly effective in close quarters. A gun is not.
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I'm sorry - I dont understand at all. All I get from you and Jillio is contradiction.

You'll get no argument from me against a woman defending herself from a rapist using deadly force.
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then why are you arguing that self-defense is far better than gun? and why are you considering shotgun for home defense? why not take some good self-defense classes? Shotgun is not really considered effective in close quarters especially for people like you. It's ineffective.
 
I think that there are pros and cons to gun ownership.

However, I dont see any reason for carrying a weapon when going food shopping unless the store is in a gang-war zone.

Some people think by carrying a gun gives them a sense of security and others think it just poses a potential for a violent situation by bringing a gun to the picture.

I can understand both points of views.

There is probably no right or wrong answer to this.

However, people using guns to hurt others for no reason or leaving guns unsecured in homes that have children are the big problem here.
 
Reba said:
I think it shows that even law enforcement officials believe that they can't adequately protect women from violence. Part of the problem is the guilty guys get released without changing their ways.

On another TV interview, the sheriff emphasized how repeat offenders, especially rapists, are let out only to offend again.

I think he was more frustrated with the justice system.
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Once a rapist, always a rapist
 
shel90 said:
I think that there are pros and cons to gun ownership.

However, I dont see any reason for carrying a weapon when going food shopping unless the store is in a gang-war zone.
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You do know that most cases did not occur in gang-war zone. We're not in Mexico. Most cases are isolated and it just happened anywhere, anytime.

shel90 said:
Some people think by carrying a gun gives them a sense of security and others think it just poses a potential for a violent situation by bringing a gun to the picture.

I can understand both points of views.

There is probably no right or wrong answer to this.
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nope. you are correct but everybody should be entitled to have a choice to carry one or not. nobody should be telling anybody what to do.

shel90 said:
However, people using guns to hurt others for no reason or leaving guns unsecured in homes that have children are the big problem here.
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people using guns to hurt others for no reason = that's criminals... not law-abiding citizens. what are we law-abiding citizens supposed to do against criminals who want to hurt people with gun?

and leaving guns unsecured at homes = that's why it's a law to secure it from minors. Failing to do so will result in criminal penalty and jail time plus fines and/or permanent loss of gun rights. Typically - in most cases where minors gained access to firearms, it's a misdemeanor but if minors used firearms to hurt somebody, that's a felony for parents.

I have no problem with "Child Access Prevention" law but most states do not adopt it because many families own dozens of firearms - typically hunter families. It's difficult but understandable.
 
Jiro said:
You do know that most cases did not occur in gang-war zone. We're not in Mexico. Most cases are isolated and it just happened anywhere, anytime.


nope. you are correct but everybody should be entitled to have a choice to carry one or not. nobody should be telling anybody what to do.


people using guns to hurt others for no reason = that's criminals... not law-abiding citizens. what are we law-abiding citizens supposed to do against criminals who want to hurt people with gun?

and leaving guns unsecured at homes = that's why it's a law to secure it from minors. Failing to do so will result in criminal penalty and jail time plus fines and/or permanent loss of gun rights. Typically - in most cases where minors gained access to firearms, it's a misdemeanor but if minors used firearms to hurt somebody, that's a felony for parents.

I have no problem with "Child Access Prevention" law but most states do not adopt it because many families own dozens of firearms - typically hunter families. It's difficult but understandable.
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As for the gang war area...have to been to some areas of Los Angeles or Oakland?

frightening!
 
shel90 said:
As for the gang war area...have to been to some areas of Los Angeles or Oakland?

frightening!
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lol how often do you hear about gang war in America? No organized gang is stupid enough to cause bunch of gun battles or they'll risk RICO and massive clampdown/beatdown by bunch of 3-letters agencies plus local/state LEOs. That's bad for their businesses. very bad :lol:

and guess what? you as a law-abiding citizen can't pack a heat in LA or Oakland. California is one of 6 states that rarely or do not issue CCW permit.
 
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