'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

TheWriteAlex said:
Man, do you even see what you're writing here?

I see what happened here. This has nothing to do with the cop's expertise or knowledge. Guns are guns and they are going to mess someone up, regardless. So basically you let him make you feel insecure for your correct concern about other people's safety? Now you want to be a big man like him and use the big boy's ammo.
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so why do you want one too?

TheWriteAlex said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you own a 9mm handgun. No?
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yes I do. It was my first gun. Springfield XD-9.

TheWriteAlex said:
So why do you have that? I thought it's for protection?
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at that time, I didn't buy it for protection. It was primarily for shooting competition.

I'll clarify - many homeowners (not referring to those with CCW) do not have sufficient training in using handgun when it comes to home invasion. It is not easy to aim and shoot accurately when you're trembling with fear...... which was why I got a shotgun purely for home defense.

TheWriteAlex said:
If 9mm's are so ineffective, why is that usually that the size that a police officer carries?
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Not always. It's either 9mm or .45 at their choosing. Police-version ammunition is stronger than civilian-version. and beside - police comes in group when it comes to armed conflict and when cavalry comes in... shit's gonna get real ugly fast dang!!!!!

When police officer uses 9mm, it's because he is able to use it effectively to do his job. It is a grave danger to his life if an officer cannot use a tool well.

.45 is a big gun and I cannot use it very well because I have girlie hands and recoil is too much for me. With training and aptness in handling my 9mm, I can confidently knock down a crazed person.... with a mix of HP and FMJ. 3 shots maximum.

It is not whoever has the biggest gun that wins the battle but it's how you use it. It's ok to carry a pee-wee gun (Walther PPK aka James Bond gun) if that's what you're very comfortable with.

TheWriteAlex said:
A thug cannot tell the difference between a 12g and 16g. Come on. You said you know about guns. You should know this.
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so why not get a toy gun? he can't tell the difference either.

and as a shooter, I can tell you the difference between 12g and 16g. He's gonna survive 16g and you're not. That is the truth.

TheWriteAlex said:
This is seriously the argument you are making? Seriously? In your mind you think it's more humane to kill the person than to disable him (dramatically indeed, but that's the price he pays for entering your home. No?) Let's ask 10 hypothetical thugs that break into a home what they would rather be shot with. I'm sure they'd prefer the 16g and still be alive then be shot with a 12g 000 and have a hole blown through their chest.
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simple - don't rob if they don't wanna get hurt or die. :lol:

Let's ask 10 hypothetical thugs if they would break into a home if they knew homeowner was armed. :)

TheWriteAlex said:
For purposes of this argument, why in the world should your reasoning here be valid? You provide absolutely no counter to the points I brought up. Simply saying you have an Army Ranger friend (and just because he is/was a Ranger does not make him an expert on this, I'm sorry to say. You're appealing to false authority here).

Until you provide sound refutation to those points, which I am very interested to hear, by the way, I consider your position ridiculous and invalid.
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it's ok. I hear this same ole' argument and they always lose.

All I can say is :) and have a good day. You do not have to be armed nor get one. Just make sure your cellphone is fully charged for you to call 911.

:)
 
jillio said:
How many times do you have to be proven wrong before you stop using words like "rarely". Why add the financial burden on society? So, you don't want to carry the burden of paying to insure safety, but you are fine with paying a million in medical costs for a man shot by a vigilante as he was running away?
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FYI - that man didn't get shot while running away. he got shot first and ran away.
 
jillio said:
A combination of factors are responsible for this man's death. I guess you missed that. And law enforcement's bad judgment played the largest role.
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and we're entrusting cops to protect our lives with guns?????
 
Reba said:
Proximity, other weapons involved, wind conditions, location of person or persons, is the target person high on drugs, individual sensitivity....
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That could all be applied to guns, too. But pepper spray, without added environmentals such as the poor judgement cited in Tx's video, is not fatal.
 
Jiro said:
FYI - that man didn't get shot while running away. he got shot first and ran away.
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And was then shot in the back. Why the need to keep shooting? He was already injured. Wouldn't be difficult to follow the blood trail for the cops. He could have been easily apprehended.
 
Jiro said:
and we're entrusting cops to protect our lives with guns?????
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Certainly more than I would someone who sees boogie men at every corner.:cool2: Cops are human. They make mistakes. This one was a huge one. But pepper spray did not kill this man. Poor judgement and being medically compromised did. He had already been identified as a manic who needed to be in a mental hospital. Would you have preferred that the cops shot him?
 
jillio said:
I haven't conconcoted a single scenario. You are the one that keeps coming up with the hypotheticals. Nor have I made any form of a mental diagnosis. See what I mean about you seeing threat at every corner?
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I've never came up with hypothetical stuff. You did..... such as crime by passion.... people with diminished mental capacity.... trigger-happy vigilante.... Wild West....

and yes you've made a number of mental diagnosis. You believed that I am acting like Charles Bronson. You believed that most shooters are not in their right mindset and they will spray in any direction until they ran out of ammo.

jillio said:
That's the scary thing. That you think you are completely prepared for anything that might happen to you.

Thanks for the videos, but the probability of that happening again, and you being involved is slim to none. You are misrepresenting the threat of it occuring again. Obviously, you have fallen into that trap of believing because there are pictures of it somewhere it is likely to happen again. Just like people overestimate the probability of being killed in a plane crash.
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Good!!!!! I would prefer slim to none!!!!!! That is #1 goal for all law-abiding armed citizens.
 
jillio said:
That could all be applied to guns, too. But pepper spray, without added environmentals such as the poor judgement cited in Tx's video, is not fatal.
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It goes to show that pepper spray is NOT an equivalent substitute for firearms.
 
Jiro said:
so why do you want one too?


yes I do. It was my first gun. Springfield XD-9.


at that time, I didn't buy it for protection. It was primarily for shooting competition.

I'll clarify - many homeowners (not referring to those with CCW) do not have sufficient training in using handgun when it comes to home invasion. It is not easy to aim and shoot accurately when you're trembling with fear...... which was why I got a shotgun purely for home defense.


Not always. It's either 9mm or .45 at their choosing. Police-version ammunition is stronger than civilian-version. and beside - police comes in group when it comes to armed conflict and when cavalry comes in... shit's gonna get real ugly fast dang!!!!!

When police officer uses 9mm, it's because he is able to use it effectively to do his job. It is a grave danger to his life if an officer cannot use a tool well.

.45 is a big gun and I cannot use it very well because I have girlie hands and recoil is too much for me. With training and aptness in handling my 9mm, I can confidently knock down a crazed person.... with a mix of HP and FMJ. 3 shots maximum.

It is not whoever has the biggest gun that wins the battle but it's how you use it. It's ok to carry a pee-wee gun (Walther PPK aka James Bond gun) if that's what you're very comfortable with.


so why not get a toy gun? he can't tell the difference either.

and as a shooter, I can tell you the difference between 12g and 16g. He's gonna survive 16g and you're not. That is the truth.


simple - don't rob if they don't wanna get hurt or die. :lol:

Let's ask 10 hypothetical thugs if they would break into a home if they knew homeowner was armed. :)


it's ok. I hear this same ole' argument and they always lose.

All I can say is :) and have a good day. You do not have to be armed nor get one. Just make sure your cellphone is fully charged for you to call 911.

:)
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I think anyone who gives two shits enough to follow this thread can see you make absolutely no solid refutations and are just chasing your tail around. You lost, bro. Sorry.
 
jillio said:
And was then shot in the back. Why the need to keep shooting? He was already injured. Wouldn't be difficult to follow the blood trail for the cops. He could have been easily apprehended.
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Why the need to have 5-10 officers on one criminal to make an arrest? Why the need to shoot till it runs out at escaping criminal? Why the need to use a baton or tazer to subdue him? Why can't officers use kung fu panda moves instead? Why Why Why Why?????

:cry:
 
TheWriteAlex said:
I think anyone who gives two shits enough to follow this thread can see you make absolutely no solid refutations and are just chasing your tail around. You lost, bro. Sorry.
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so...... why do you want a gun?
 
Jiro said:
I've never came up with hypothetical stuff. You did..... such as crime by passion.... people with diminished mental capacity.... trigger-happy vigilante.... Wild West....

and yes you've made a number of mental diagnosis. You believed that I am acting like Charles Bronson. You believed that most shooters are not in their right mindset and they will spray in any direction until they ran out of ammo.


Good!!!!! I would prefer slim to none!!!!!! That is #1 goal for all law-abiding armed citizens.
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I hate to tell you, Jiro, but crimes of passion and people with diminished mental capacity are real.:roll:

Acting like Charles Bronson is not a mental diagnosis. :laugh2: And I never said anything of the kind. But keep going. You may qualify for a mental diagnosis yet.
 
jillio said:
Think, Steinhauer. If she got close enough for him to smack her with a Louisville Slugger, he would have seen that it was his daughter in law.:roll:
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Not if it was dark.

Oh, I am thinking .... must resist.
 
Jiro said:
Why the need to have 5-10 officers on one criminal to make an arrest? Why the need to shoot till it runs out at escaping criminal? Why the need to use a baton or tazer to subdue him? Why can't officers use kung fu panda moves instead? Why Why Why Why?????

:cry:
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This is a hypothetical. Show me an example of 5-10 officers subduing a single individual, and I will pass judgement on that particular situation.

Why use a taser or a baton? Less change of fatal injury. Duh.

Who are you, Jackie Chan?:laugh2:
 
jillio said:
Certainly more than I would someone who sees boogie men at every corner.:cool2: Cops are human. They make mistakes. This one was a huge one. But pepper spray did not kill this man. Poor judgement and being medically compromised did. He had already been identified as a manic who needed to be in a mental hospital. Would you have preferred that the cops shot him?
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so why is it ok with you that cop makes a fatal mistake but not law-abiding citizen?
 
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