'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

[naisho]

Proportionately, they are just as diverse. edited:UMMM...this is 2011. Your census info is a decade old.

Tell them to hurry up then if you want new changes. I'm sure it doesn't vastly change, the USA 2001 and 2011 hasn't made dramatic changes in 10 years. I would know since I do sociology and social psychology.

The last time UK took this census was in 2001. They're working on 2011 and it's not done yet.

 

[Reba]

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say "yeah". His attitude would put him at risk. I would say that my behavior in such a neighborhood is far different than Jiro's would be. I don't see threat around every corner so I don't slink around in fear, nor do I try to be a bad guy.

How do you know that Jiro would "slink around in fear" or "try to be a bad guy?" That's rather presumptuous.

The most I ever get from the young men congregating on the corner, or the gang member walking down the street, is a "Wassup." I don't see that as a threat. I simply say, "Not much" and keep on walking. Guess what...they do the same.

How do you know what Jiro would say or do? Shouldn't you let him speak for himself?

 

[jillio]

Just saying that it's not the same as the USA because they're not of the same ethnicity, they might not share the same culture and values on how to approach gun ownership and controversy. Ethnicity does play a major role in how one views these things and how laws are enacted.

So, you are saying that different ethnicities constitute different levels of threat and violence based on their ethnicity? Careful, there.

You are missing something. Most of the ethhicities included in census information have been in a country for more than a generation, and have generally adopted that country's social values.

 

[jillio]

How do you know that Jiro would "slink around in fear" or "try to be a bad guy?" That's rather presumptuous.


How do you know what Jiro would say or do? Shouldn't you let him speak for himself?

Because he has demonstrated exactly how frightened he is in his own words in his relpies. You really think people don't notice things like that?

He did speak for himself. He said he would "shit his pants".

 

[Steinhauer]

I lived in London for a semester. The "bobbies" are the nicest and most helpful people. This was in 2003, right before the Iraq war. I attended the anti-war rally to Hyde Park. Nearly two million people, and the cops were as calm and friendly as you can imagine, and not one of them had a gun.

The difference between police officers in America and Britain is that American cops look at the population as something that must be controlled, and therefore guns are necessary. The power struggle stems directly from the presence of the police officer's weapons, which intimidate the populace, no matter how necessary they are.

In Britain, the cops see themselves as public servants but still part of the general population. The number one job of a police officer in London is giving street directions to tourists. No joke.

 

[Jiro]

If you'd never put yourself in that situation, why do you need to carry a gun? Obviously, you have nothing to fear, or are afraid of boogey men around each corner.

who said I NEED to carry it?

and why do you NOT want me to carry a gun? Are you now dictating what I should do or not?

 

[jillio]

Tell them to hurry up then if you want new changes. I'm sure it doesn't vastly change, the USA 2001 and 2011 hasn't made dramatic changes in 10 years. I would know since I do sociology and social psychology.

The last time UK took this census was in 2001. They're working on 2011 and it's not done yet.

I guess you missed all of the predictions that show that by 2025, caucasions will be a minority in this country. Yes, dear, census data does change, and drastically at times. That is why they take new census.

 

[jillio]

who said I NEED to carry it?

and why do you NOT want me to carry a gun? Are you now dictating what I should do or not?

If you don't NEED it, why do you WANT it?

 

[Steinhauer]

Proportionately, they are just as diverse. UMMM...this is 2011. Your census info is a decade old.

But what exactly is your point? That diversity makes people fearful and believe they need to carry guns?

I believe his point was that your statement about Great Britain and Canada being just as diverse was incorrect.

It had NOTHING to do with people being fearful in diverse situations.


Did you know that carrying a CCW is a right of any law abiding citizen, regardless of race, creed, gender, sexual orientation or religion?

 

[Reba]

"Diversity has run much further in America than Britain; there, as many as one in three citizens belong to one ethnic minority or another. In the UK, the figure is around 10%, or slightly more if groups such as the Irish are included."
Tom Clark looks at what effect ethnic diversity has on social harmony | Society | The Guardian

So, 33% in the USA compared to 10% in GB.

 

[jillio]

I believe his point was that your statement about Great Britain and Canada being just as diverse was incorrect.

It had NOTHING to do with people being fearful in diverse situations.


Did you know that carrying a CCW is a right of any law abiding citizen, regardless of race, creed, gender, sexual orientation or religion?

Let's let naisho clarify his meaning shall we. You misread far too often.

So...having a mental illness is a violation of the law? You guys really need to think before you speak.

And CCW is not a right. It is a privilege in certain states.

 

[Jiro]

Because he has demonstrated exactly how frightened he is in his own words in his relpies. You really think people don't notice things like that?

He did speak for himself. He said he would "shit his pants".

there you go. so why would I or anybody act like Rambo or Charles Bronson? That's gonna get me killed.

Why would we pack a heat in the morning and talk to ourselves at mirror - "yea baby.... gonna find me a commie bastard. you talking to me? huh what? you talking to me? you talking to me? who me? me? you talking to me?"

What is silly vigilantism you speak of? Who does that?

 

[Jiro]

If you don't NEED it, why do you WANT it?

can't I have a choice pretty please? can't I decide that for myself?

 

[jillio]

"Diversity has run much further in America than Britain; there, as many as one in three citizens belong to one ethnic minority or another. In the UK, the figure is around 10%, or slightly more if groups such as the Irish are included."
Tom Clark looks at what effect ethnic diversity has on social harmony | Society | The Guardian

So, 33% in the USA compared to 10% in GB.

And, as I stated, the ethnicity in America is generally over a generation or more, which means enculturation. You can't just look at numbers, but of the demographics of the enthicity.

 

[jillio]

can't I have a choice pretty please? can't I decide that for myself?

Okay, why to do CHOOSE to carry the gun you WANT to carry? Sure you can decide it for yourself. Why are you evading the question?

 

[jillio]

there you go. so why would I or anybody act like Rambo or Charles Bronson? That's gonna get me killed.

Why would we pack a heat in the morning and talk to ourselves at mirror - "yea baby.... gonna find me a commie bastard. you talking to me? huh what? you talking to me? you talking to me? who me? me? you talking to me?"

What is silly vigilantism you speak of? Who does that?

Then why are you trying to portray yourself as a big, bad dude who will shoot any person that looks like they might pose a threat? Because that is exactly what you are portraying.

 

[Jiro]

Raely means that it is highly improbable. Same reason I don't have hurricane insurance; chances of me suffering damage from a hurricane in my area is improbable. Just like you needing a gun for self defense is improbable. But, the research does show, and I have posted it on here prior, that a gun in the home is several times more likely to kill a family member than it is a stranger posing a threat. And the largest proportion of accidental deaths by firearms in the home is children. Risk is much greater than the probability that you will ever be placed in a position of needing a gun to protect yourself. Just as the cost of me carrying hurricane insurance is a cost greater than the benefit,

correct. you have a choice to decide to get hurricane insurance or not. and I should have a choice to carry a gun or not.

we should not be regulated by laws that's based on "improbability"

 

[TWA]

Wow

You know, lately you really haven't been contributing anything to this site other than a lot of passive aggressive happy faces. Do you have anything to contribute to AD other than your snarkiness? If not, kindly piss off, okay?

1. anything below 12-gauge has been proven ineffectual when it comes to home defense (do you know what 20 gauge for? bird shooting. plus it's cruel and inhumane to pump 20 pellets into his body when 12-gauge is just 5-8 pellets)
2. homeowners have been killed because of this.
3. even police officers and any gun experts recommend 12-gauge for home defense

so what should I use for home defense with 12 gauge? simple - use low-recoil 00 or 1 if you're that concerned. At that time when I bought a shotgun, a local police officer happened to be there to buy something and I asked him for recommendation in choosing shotgun shell type and I also expressed my concern about wall penetration and people's safety. He chuckled and strongly recommended 000.

I asked - "but.... isn't that overkill?"

He chuckled again and shrugged. Mind you - he's not just some street beat type. He is a "SWAT" so he obviously knows what he's talking about.

Lastly - when it comes to home defense, you should never.... ever..... ever.... use birdshot shell and anything below 00. Police officer has been killed by a crazed thug because he was using birdshot shell by mistake..... and officer emptied everything on him. After training and education, I came to realization that my fear for people's safety has been alleviated. I am 100% confident with my shotgun and 000. You're not gonna find any competent shotgun owner with anything less than 000 but I'm too nice so I have 00 too.

He chuckled at your concern for other individuals? Of course, he's a cop; He shoots to kill.

Anyone who continues to be a threat after taking a 16 gauge shot round is on PCP or something. You get someone like that, and no 9mm pistol is going to stop them either. Concerns about being inhumane? Cruel? Isn't that a contradiction to your logic? You think it's more humane to shoot them with a bigger, more destructive load? Um, okay . . .

I've already discussed about this at great length with my friend who is ex-Rangers couple years ago. I've said what you said and in the end.... it's unfounded. your argument that is.

It's unfounded because you say it is? Oh wow, that's quite solid reasoning you got there, Jiro! Ohhhhhh, you mean it's unfounded because your Army friend told you? Ohhhhh, okay. Now I gotcha. I'll just settle for that and let you not address any of the points I made. You and your Ranger friend are obviously right!

 

[Jiro]

Okay, why to do CHOOSE to carry the gun you WANT to carry? Sure you can decide it for yourself. Why are you evading the question?

for protection. what else?

Then why are you trying to portray yourself as a big, bad dude who will shoot any person that looks like they might pose a threat? Because that is exactly what you are portraying.

where? sounds like you are being hypervigilant and fearful.

 

[TWA]

for protection. what else?


where? sounds like you are being hypervigilant and fearful.

Classic deflection. Oh well, you tried, Jillio. You tried.