'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

[Jiro]

Well, the man did not intend to harm anyone. He was cleaning the gun, but he was incredibly irresponsible by not unloading it first. He pleaded guilty from what I remember. It was more of a freak accident than anything else.

that has nothing to do with CCW or OC. I've never heard of an incident where a CCW/OC holder misfired in public.

if there was a recent case - please do let me know.

 

[Jiro]

What's amazing about that? Happens all the time. Homes are made of flimsy material. You know that.

That is why shotguns are recommended for home defense more than handguns. I 100% support shotgun ownership for home defense. In fact, I am thinking of getting one myself.

um.... lol.

My shotgun with 000 or Brenneke will cause much more damage than my handgun. a big f'ing hole in the wall. if a person got shot by it.... I would be charged with domestic terrorism because my shotgun is a weapon of mass destruction

 

[naisho]

You mean the man's testosterone poisoning, right?

Hey now, that's not mutually fair. :P
There's gotta be cases of pregnant women killing or hurting their men.. They pop up on the news too. Now what you say those? Case of crazies? I'm gonna say that's gotta be some potent estrogen toxicants.

 

[sallylou]

When a woman is pregnant, the predominant hormone is progesterone. It makes the woman want to throw up. That's what causes morning sickness. Personally, I was too preoccupied with trying not to throw up and eating right even when I wanted to throw up to pay attention to anything else.

 

[Jiro]

Pretty good study on the effectiveness of carrying a concealed weapon. Unless you have advanced tactical training in gun shootout situations, in most circumstances where you are at real risk for being shot (in most robbery cases, a gun is just used for intimidation--why elevate the situation and possibly end up getting yourself and others killed?), a gun isn't going to help you.

Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world, Part One - YouTube

and

Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world, Part Two - YouTube

The cc work pretty good.

*yawn* I wonder how many times must they (people like you and Jillio) use this same old tired argument like this.

FACT - nobody (with CCW) shoots in public like this.
FACT - CCW holders avoid conflicts and attention
FACT - majority of CCW holders have this specific mindset that you people can't understand until you're one of them - run away. and only shoot if you got cornered
FACT - this video is fantasy..... not a real life. got any link to any news with anything similar to this video?
FACT - the latest string of college shootings occurred at gun-friendly states. where are armed citizens? that's right! we're not packing heat like Rambo nor acting like Charles Bronson.

oh wait... I know one!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AA_dgRdDhk]Good guy 1, Bad guy 0, CCW in action unedited - YouTube[/ame]

oh wait... in this case - a stupid thug died, not mother. not child. not innocent people.

Law-Abiding Citizen: 1
Thug: 0

great success.

 

[Jiro]

Having a gun in your home, and packing heat walking down the street are very different instances. However, I do hope that when you have that gun in your home, you keep it secured, because the facts of the matter are, that gun is several times more likely to result in the accidental death of a family member (usually a child) than it is to be used against an intruder.

yea I'll put in a plastic plug into all electrical outlet, install baby fence at stair and hallway, rubberized all sharp corners, baby-proof my cabinets and drawers, etc.

I'll do all that for my friends' and guests' safety.

 

[Banjo]

That kid is lucky the good guy didn't blow her head off. It's not worth risking anyone's lives over money. Not to mention that the man used the co-worker as a human shield.

Why continue shooting after the thug runs off?

 

[Jiro]

So, you find 47 unjustified deaths (these people were criminally charged) acceptable?

I find 47 deaths unacceptable. and I'm talking about 47 thugs killed by innocent women who could have been rape/murder victims.

So, these people could have suffered a mental decline that would contraindicate their having a weapon concealed on their person in public? And it is not important to make a determination like that regarding a permit to carry a lethal weapon?

not interested in "could have" since it rarely happened. I'm much much much more concerned about drivers with diminishing mental capacity

The bolded. Violence Policy Center. Point being, you said it never happened, not even a single time. Evidently, you didn't check your information carefully enough before making such a claim.

um.... I see nothing that backs your claim. You have not given me any specific detail.

And that is the point. CCW is not regulated in a way that protects the rest of society from the people packing heat.

yea let's count on crooked cops to protect our lives especially those selling illegal weapons to criminals.

Which is it, Jiro? Never heard of or rarely heard of? Two different things.

both. It is possible that I may have forgotten it.

The unlawful is implied in the criminal charge and conviction.

no such thing in the court of law. they don't do "implied". It's factoid. The defendant is either convicted or not. Which one?

 

[Jiro]

Yes, it still would have happened (idiocy knows no limit), and if someone with a CC pulled out a gun and started firing, he or she would have ended up putting everyone in the vicinity in danger.

These two thugs were caught on camera. The law will sort them out. You citizens with your CCW who want to be vigilantes are such a joke wanting to be rambos.

You want to really learn how to self-defend? Learn martial arts.

notice the keyword in your post - "if"

You had to drum up a fantasy story since you can't find any incident like it so you attached it with "if".

You'd make a good writer for thriller novel. Tom Clancy style. or maybe Michael Crichton.

 

[Reba]

As long as the charges are there, it is an unlawful shooting.

In our justice system, the defendant is innocent until proven guilty.

Sometimes charges are dropped even before they are brought to court.

 

[Jiro]

In our justice system, the defendant is innocent until proven guilty.

Sometimes charges are dropped even before they are brought to court.

it sucks that police officers charging law-abiding citizens when everybody knows it won't stick is basically a legalized form of bullying

 

[TXgolfer]

In our justice system, the defendant is innocent until proven guilty.

Sometimes charges are dropped even before they are brought to court.

MANY times

 

[jillio]

that has nothing to do with CCW or OC. I've never heard of an incident where a CCW/OC holder misfired in public.

if there was a recent case - please do let me know.

You've never heard of a lot of things we have managed to show you have occurred. Just because you have heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

[jillio]

yea I'll put in a plastic plug into all electrical outlet, install baby fence at stair and hallway, rubberized all sharp corners, baby-proof my cabinets and drawers, etc.

I'll do all that for my friends' and guests' safety.

Why do I get the impression that you are the type that would let a toddler stick a fork in an outlet and then say, "Bet he won't do that again!":roll:

 

[jillio]

I find 47 deaths unacceptable. and I'm talking about 47 thugs killed by innocent women who could have been rape/murder victims.


not interested in "could have" since it rarely happened. I'm much much much more concerned about drivers with diminishing mental capacity


um.... I see nothing that backs your claim. You have not given me any specific detail.


yea let's count on crooked cops to protect our lives especially those selling illegal weapons to criminals.


both. It is possible that I may have forgotten it.


no such thing in the court of law. they don't do "implied". It's factoid. The defendant is either convicted or not. Which one?

Never happened, rarely happened.....BS Jiro. It happens. We have already shown you that. Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just means that you choose to ignore the probability of negative consequences just so you can continue to pack heat and feed your ego.

 

[jillio]

In our justice system, the defendant is innocent until proven guilty.

Sometimes charges are dropped even before they are brought to court.

The incident is still considered an illegal shooting. No one has been pronounced guilty of the act yet.

 

[jillio]

That kid is lucky the good guy didn't blow her head off. It's not worth risking anyone's lives over money. Not to mention that the man used the co-worker as a human shield.

Why continue shooting after the thug runs off?

Why? Trying to be a big shot? Too emotional to even consider what he is doing? Adrenaline rush he does not know how to moderate? The very reasons that people who have that mind set carrying weapons puts innocent people in danger.

 

[jillio]

I find 47 deaths unacceptable. and I'm talking about 47 thugs killed by innocent women who could have been rape/murder victims.


not interested in "could have" since it rarely happened. I'm much much much more concerned about drivers with diminishing mental capacity


um.... I see nothing that backs your claim. You have not given me any specific detail.


yea let's count on crooked cops to protect our lives especially those selling illegal weapons to criminals.


both. It is possible that I may have forgotten it.


no such thing in the court of law. they don't do "implied". It's factoid. The defendant is either convicted or not. Which one?

They don't charge you with legal shootings, do they, Jiro? You've run out of ammo. Admit it.

 

[Banjo]

Why? Trying to be a big shot? Too emotional to even consider what he is doing? Adrenaline rush he does not know how to moderate? The very reasons that people who have that mind set carrying weapons puts innocent people in danger.

I watched the whole video. It was completely unnecessary and reckless for the man to put everyone else at risk. He didn't save anyone's lives because none of them would have been shot and killed. All the man wanted was the money, give it and he'll go away. Then you can tell the cops and give them the description and they'll look for him.

The way the man positioned himself put everyone at risk because he used his co-worker as a human shield and the way he pointed his gun, it could have went through the girl. They were very close to it. The man turned his back and ran, yet he was still being shot at.

Yes, he was a low-life criminal trying to rob a place, but if he's running away like a scaredy cat, let him and let the cops take care of it. Don't put anyone at risk. The guy watched too many Charles Bronson movies.

 

[jillio]

I watched the whole video. It was completely unnecessary and reckless for the man to put everyone else at risk. He didn't save anyone's lives because none of them would have been shot and killed. All the man wanted was the money, give it and he'll go away. Then you can tell the cops and give them the description and they'll look for him.

The way the man positioned himself put everyone at risk because he used his co-worker as a human shield and the way he pointed his gun, it could have went through the girl. They were very close to it. The man turned his back and ran, yet he was still being shot at.

Yes, he was a low-life criminal trying to rob a place, but if he's running away like a scaredy cat, let him and let the cops take care of it. Don't put anyone at risk. The guy watched too many Charles Bronson movies.

Exactly. It is this vigilante attitude that is so frightening. The average citizen carrying a gun is thinking about only one thing...hitting the target they want to hit. They are not taking their surroundings into consideration and they are not evaluating the need for action. Even a trained police officer will not pull a weapon and fire if it endangers innocent people. It isn't worth the risk. And they are trained to take in the environment and make that judgement. People like this idiot aren't.