'Open Carry' Law Contoversy: Gun Owner Cited

jillio said:
Uhhh....because he stated it.
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how? you never met him. I've never talked to him either. All he was doing is walking down the street, openly-carrying his gun and minding his own business.
 
jillio said:
They could have perceived that pig as a threat, or the behavior of walking a pig down Main Street as a threat. The point being, anyone that wants to see a threat will. My concern is the stability of those that see a threat at every turn. Just recently, a man shot his daughter in law and killed her because he thought she was a thief about to break into his house. She was walking up his drive way. If the gun had not been available, she would be alive. People make quick decisions oftentimes, and when they have a gun in their hand and make quick decisions, innocent people get killed.
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so.... you support gun ban law then?
 
Jiro said:
no no. there is NO law prohibiting firearms on public campuses. That's a subtle but very important difference.
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While there might not be a state law prohibiting it, this is what I've found:

In a January 4, 2006 Opinion, the Attorney General of Virginia wrote: “Governing boards of Virginia’s public colleges and universities may not impose general prohibition on carrying of concealed weapons by permitted individuals.”

However, the Attorney General did find that governing bodies of educational institutions have the authority to prohibit or place restrictions on the carrying of weapons by students, faculty, and employees.
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So as long as I'm not a student or employee, I'm welcome to come on the campus with a gun. Sure, that makes a lot of sense.
 
Jiro said:
how? you never met him. I've never talked to him either. All he was doing is walking down the street, openly-carrying his gun and minding his own business.
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It was stated in the article and the follow ups that were done.

Riiight. He just happened to be walking down the street with his gun in the same vicinity as the political rally. Come on, Jiro.
 
PoiToy said:
While there might not be a state law prohibiting it, this is what I've found:

So as long as I'm not a student or employee, I'm welcome to come on the campus with a gun. Sure, that makes a lot of sense.
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well - it's a little more complicated than that. If the university has a posted sign prohibiting firearm on its premise - you are not allowed to carry one.
 
jillio said:
It was stated in the article and the follow ups that were done.

Riiight. He just happened to be walking down the street with his gun in the same vicinity as the political rally. Come on, Jiro.
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If you backtrack... I was referring to a guy in Las Vegas but I see that we've got misunderstanding since you said "he" and there are two "he" in my post.
 
Jiro said:
"If the gun had not been available, she would be alive."
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Where does that say I am in favor of banning guns? I simply made a true statement in reference to people making too quick, and mistaken judgements and having a gun available.
 
jillio said:
"Him" is singular.
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no no - what I meant is that there were 2 armed citizens I mentioned in my post and we both were not thinking of same person in this discussion.
 
jillio said:
Where does that say I am in favor of banning guns? I simply made a true statement in reference to people making too quick, and mistaken judgements and having a gun available.
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so.... "if the gun has not been available".... how can that happen?

You are in favor of high gun restriction or gun ban. both is same thing to me because in both case - law-abiding citizens cannot legally obtain it.
 
jillio said:
How do you know he is law abiding if the people who have sworn to uphold the law don't?
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because he has not broken any law and has not harmed anybody.

and we defenseless New Yorkers have to rely on crooks who were sworn to uphold the law? comical. Mayor Bloomberg - you are living in fantasy.
 
TXgolfer said:
Or couldn't read? Didn't speak english? Or just stupid?
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Can't read English? It has a big graphic of a gun with the circle and slash over it.

Stupid? Well . . . I imagine that person wouldn't pass the CCW course and test anyway. :D
 
jillio said:
Because it was a crime committed from an emotional reasoning. People tend to think that crime of passion can only occur between lovers, or something akin to that.
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Ah. That is what I thought and thank you for confirming it.
 
jillio said:
They could have perceived that pig as a threat, or the behavior of walking a pig down Main Street as a threat. The point being, anyone that wants to see a threat will. My concern is the stability of those that see a threat at every turn. Just recently, a man shot his daughter in law and killed her because he thought she was a thief about to break into his house. She was walking up his drive way. If the gun had not been available, she would be alive. People make quick decisions oftentimes, and when they have a gun in their hand and make quick decisions, innocent people get killed.
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If the gun had not been available in my original example, that man and his son would not be alive. The man who shot his daughter-in-law made a stupid choice. That sucks, but it happens. And not just with guns. Personally, I'm not shooting someone for being on my driveway. I'm calling the police. I am, however, shooting someone once they illegally enter my house. If I'm not permitted to own a gun, what do I do for that *actual threat* (i.e., not just perceived)? Cower in a corner with my kids and hope the intruder just wants money? Hope he takes debit card, because I don't keep cash.

Yes, people make crap decisions under pressure. But I've never heard of someone randomly shooting someone in the street under ridiculous conditions ("the pig looked at me funny"). CCW people tend to be more aware of threats, better trained and know very well the legal ramifications of mistakes, in my experience. I know a LOT of people with guns (well over a 100 average joes) and not one of them has ever mistakenly fired his weapon. Some have, however, protected their families during break-ins.
 
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