One dead in movie theater shooting in Florida

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No firearms sign at AMC Movie Theater

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So if you carry a gun into the same theater again, you will be arrested even if they didn't ask you to leave.

Incorrect, the business owner has to have initially asked you to leave and not bring your firearm back. Most business owners/managers will allow you to take your firearm to your car and return. Happens quite often.
 
I reviewed entire of this thread and you don't have same quote as CrazyPaul did #277.

I had no idea about your phrase, especially saying "legal weight".

This thread has ballooning into many pages now and there are not many members would read entire of this thread. If you give a clear phrase, or more easy to cite quote about force of law, so I could understand better and this thread won't fly into many pages.

I posted the link he was using. The quote he used was from a link I posted. Sorry about the confusion.
 
I posted the link he was using. The quote he used was from a link I posted. Sorry about the confusion.

Connecticut seems only state have force of law - you can be fined no more than $500 or no more than 3 years in prison, or both, also you will lose ability to own firearm.
 
therefore.... the signs do hold legal weight...

Incorrect. You can be asked to leave for any reason at the business owner or manager's discretion. Refusing to do so then becomes a trespassing violation, not a firearms violation.
 
Incorrect, the business owner has to have initially asked you to leave and not bring your firearm back. Most business owners/managers will allow you to take your firearm to your car and return. Happens quite often.
No, what the commenter meant is that if the manager remembers your face and next time you bring a gun into the same theater again, he/she can call police to arrest you because you already know the policy in the first place (asked you to leave before in the past). Makes sense to me.
 
I have a solution:


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Hey now, don't blame Florida for idiots. Idiots live everywhere... A lot of stupid crap happens in other states too.
 
You put them on Texas and saw it off! That, or Maine, New Jersey or some place like that! Better yet, Alaska.

Put in Texas, or Stein's home state - Georgia.

Leave Florida alone.
 
I have a question

Ok, not just one question ... sorry. I have several questions.

Suppose you are standing in line at the grocery store. Or, standing in line to purchase a ticket for a movie, concert, or whatever. Or, standing in line in an amusement park for a ride. So, you are standing there, with your wife/girlfriend or friend. You are standing in line, and there are about 30 people also standing in line with you. Then, someone cuts in front of you.

They say nothing at all to you, and they are a random stranger, someone whom you have never seen before. So, you say something to the effect of "Hey, the line starts way back there" while pointing in the direction of where the line begins. The person, obviously becomes irritated with you telling them that, and they turn around and say something rude and/or flippant (possibly using the f bomb). You then realize the situation has escalated, so you tell your wife, or friend, to stay in line so you can go and complain to a manager.

When you return to where your wife, or friend, are holding the place in line, the person whom cut in front of you then turns around to face you. In a sing song whiny mocking voice, and with a crybaby face, they ask "Oh, did the poor wittle little baby go tell on me? waaah!" and then sneer.

Now, this would obviously aggravate anyone. I would even think, some of the nicest, and politest and most helpful people on the planet would say something back. I don't think it would be polite. So, you say something impolite (possibly dropping the f bomb) to the person who not only cut in front of you, but is going out of their way to aggravate you.

This response that you made to the person's aggravating comments then elicits another action from them. They get in your face, then start poking your chest with their index finger while saying "Whatcha gonna do about it, huh? huh? you friggin tattle tale nazi!!" then they throw something at you that strikes you in the face. It doesn't matter what they throw ... could be a banana peel, a bottle, a sweaty sock .. it hits you in the face, and you are not exactly sure what the object was, so it becomes an unknown object.

You then realize that the situation has escalated to the point that this person might be willing to assault you (and, in effect, an assault has already taken place since they threw something that struck you in the face), and you begin to suspect that the person is planning on escalating the situation even further.

Do you walk away?

I would. But then again, I am not a highly trained police officer that helped establish a tactical response unit for a major city. Maybe his instincts are far different from mine. I don't know.

But .. who initiated the conflict? Was it the guy who cut in front of you, or you, who said something to him?
 
Put in Texas, or Stein's home state - Georgia.

Leave Florida alone.

Oh, I don't know, I think we should still get rid of Florida. The presidential elections getting all mucked up, SYG laws, murdering moms walking scot free ...

But, its fine, if you want to make Georgia an island, I don't think anyone would care.
 
Ok, not just one question ... sorry. I have several questions.

Suppose you are standing in line at the grocery store. Or, standing in line to purchase a ticket for a movie, concert, or whatever. Or, standing in line in an amusement park for a ride. So, you are standing there, with your wife/girlfriend or friend. You are standing in line, and there are about 30 people also standing in line with you. Then, someone cuts in front of you.

They say nothing at all to you, and they are a random stranger, someone whom you have never seen before. So, you say something to the effect of "Hey, the line starts way back there" while pointing in the direction of where the line begins. The person, obviously becomes irritated with you telling them that, and they turn around and say something rude and/or flippant (possibly using the f bomb). You then realize the situation has escalated, so you tell your wife, or friend, to stay in line so you can go and complain to a manager.

When you return to where your wife, or friend, are holding the place in line, the person whom cut in front of you then turns around to face you. In a sing song whiny mocking voice, and with a crybaby face, they ask "Oh, did the poor wittle little baby go tell on me? waaah!" and then sneer.

Now, this would obviously aggravate anyone. I would even think, some of the nicest, and politest and most helpful people on the planet would say something back. I don't think it would be polite. So, you say something impolite (possibly dropping the f bomb) to the person who not only cut in front of you, but is going out of their way to aggravate you.

This response that you made to the person's aggravating comments then elicits another action from them. They get in your face, then start poking your chest with their index finger while saying "Whatcha gonna do about it, huh? huh? you friggin tattle tale nazi!!" then they throw something at you that strikes you in the face. It doesn't matter what they throw ... could be a banana peel, a bottle, a sweaty sock .. it hits you in the face, and you are not exactly sure what the object was, so it becomes an unknown object.

You then realize that the situation has escalated to the point that this person might be willing to assault you (and, in effect, an assault has already taken place since they threw something that struck you in the face), and you begin to suspect that the person is planning on escalating the situation even further.

Do you walk away?

I would. But then again, I am not a highly trained police officer that helped establish a tactical response unit for a major city. Maybe his instincts are far different from mine. I don't know.

But .. who initiated the conflict? Was it the guy who cut in front of you, or you, who said something to him?

that would be you. you can either chose to let it go or initiate a confrontation.
 
that would be you. you can either chose to let it go or initiate a confrontation.

I disagree for obvious reasons. 1) rules are set in place to reduce confrontations 2) rules apply to everybody 3) breaking a rule sets a confrontation into motion

and the question presented is a paradox - like which came first, the chicken or the egg?
 
I disagree for obvious reasons. 1) rules are set in place to reduce confrontations 2) rules apply to everybody 3) breaking a rule sets a confrontation into motion

incorrect on all counts especially in this example.

cutting in front of you is not illegal. so a man cuts in front of you. he broke no law. he did not assault you nor touch you or anything whatsoever. however.... by telling him to get back in the line will leads to either a resolved situation or a hostile confrontation.

life's not fair. there will always be an asshole everywhere. deal with it. be a man and take a high road. let it go. do not make a matter any worse especially since you're armed and you can very well end up in jail for aggravated assault with deadly weapon. it's just not worth it. LET IT GO.

is there a particular reason why would you engage in a potentially hostile situation? oh lemme guess... it's because you're armed and you feel empowered to take a matter into your own hands and use SYG excuse if he "threatens" you?
 
Ok, not just one question ... sorry. I have several questions.

Suppose you are standing in line at the grocery store. Or, standing in line to purchase a ticket for a movie, concert, or whatever. Or, standing in line in an amusement park for a ride. So, you are standing there, with your wife/girlfriend or friend. You are standing in line, and there are about 30 people also standing in line with you. Then, someone cuts in front of you.

They say nothing at all to you, and they are a random stranger, someone whom you have never seen before. So, you say something to the effect of "Hey, the line starts way back there" while pointing in the direction of where the line begins. The person, obviously becomes irritated with you telling them that, and they turn around and say something rude and/or flippant (possibly using the f bomb). You then realize the situation has escalated, so you tell your wife, or friend, to stay in line so you can go and complain to a manager.

When you return to where your wife, or friend, are holding the place in line, the person whom cut in front of you then turns around to face you. In a sing song whiny mocking voice, and with a crybaby face, they ask "Oh, did the poor wittle little baby go tell on me? waaah!" and then sneer.

Now, this would obviously aggravate anyone. I would even think, some of the nicest, and politest and most helpful people on the planet would say something back. I don't think it would be polite. So, you say something impolite (possibly dropping the f bomb) to the person who not only cut in front of you, but is going out of their way to aggravate you.

This response that you made to the person's aggravating comments then elicits another action from them. They get in your face, then start poking your chest with their index finger while saying "Whatcha gonna do about it, huh? huh? you friggin tattle tale nazi!!" then they throw something at you that strikes you in the face. It doesn't matter what they throw ... could be a banana peel, a bottle, a sweaty sock .. it hits you in the face, and you are not exactly sure what the object was, so it becomes an unknown object.

You then realize that the situation has escalated to the point that this person might be willing to assault you (and, in effect, an assault has already taken place since they threw something that struck you in the face), and you begin to suspect that the person is planning on escalating the situation even further.

Do you walk away?

I would. But then again, I am not a highly trained police officer that helped establish a tactical response unit for a major city. Maybe his instincts are far different from mine. I don't know.

But .. who initiated the conflict? Was it the guy who cut in front of you, or you, who said something to him?

Well, I remember about GTA V event at Gamestop.

We are in long line and wait to pick up GTA V game, but few men tried to cut in the line, so everyone in line yelled at men who broke in and embarrassed themselves, so manager told men who broke in the line - go to last or leave.
 
I disagree for obvious reasons. 1) rules are set in place to reduce confrontations 2) rules apply to everybody 3) breaking a rule sets a confrontation into motion

and the question presented is a paradox - like which came first, the chicken or the egg?

If your life is important instead of jail or death so you have to let it go.

I agree with Jiro above and you have deal with it.
 
incorrect on all counts especially in this example.

cutting in front of you is not illegal. so a man cuts in front of you. he broke no law. he did not assault you nor touch you or anything whatsoever. however.... by telling him to get back in the line will leads to either a resolved situation or a hostile confrontation.

life's not fair. there will always be an asshole everywhere. deal with it. be a man and take a high road. let it go. do not make a matter any worse especially since you're armed and you can very well end up in jail for aggravated assault with deadly weapon. it's just not worth it. LET IT GO.

is there a particular reason why would you engage in a potentially hostile situation? oh lemme guess... it's because you're armed and you feel empowered to take a matter into your own hands and use SYG excuse if he "threatens" you?


First of all, you are jumping to conclusions again. I never stated whether or not anyone was armed. For argument's sake, lets just say everyone is unarmed. No one is carrying a firearm, a mace, a sword, a cattle prod, nunchuks, or ninja stars.

Secondly, while it is not illegal to cut in line, it is an internationally recognized rule to start at the back of a line and not skip in front of people. This is also called "common courtesy" and only a child would not understand this.

Third, telling a person whom has violated an internationally recognized rule that they need to follow the rules is not initiating a confrontation (maybe in your line of reasoning it is, and maybe in your cultural upbringing it is).


Fourth, violating a rule is initiating a confrontation. This is usually done by self centered, egotistical people who feel the world somehow owes them something and that they are "special" and above reproach.
 
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