Octuplets' grandmother faces foreclosure threat

LuciaDisturbed said:
I am not exagerrating. This is the truth. This is the facts. The facts are: She does NOT have any reasoning abilities to make any kind of appropriate medical and financial decisions regarding her children and herself, and therefore she should be declared incompetent and placed in a group home for the rest of her life, plus the older six should be placed with different relatives permanently, and the octuplets should be adopted out to up to 8 different adoptive families, and she must undergo a complete hysterectomy, and she does NOT deserve ANOTHER chance. She's already had so many chances. She's had 5 chances with her kids - 2 single births, two sets of twins, and then OCTUPLETS. That's too many chances already. Enough is enough! And, then the grandmother should be given the opportunity to go on public assistance so she can finally retire since she has done EVERYTHING for her selfish daughter and her poor six children and if the state does not step in, she is going to be stuck caring for the OCTUPLETS too, which is not fair to her.



She did this intentionally. She KNEW the consequences, and she still did this. So, no amount of educating or training to teach her about the consequences of pregnancies, such multiple pregnancies, or even about how to manage her finances will do her any good, since she clearly has shown that she does not have a fully functioning brain, that she has some missing brain cells, and that she does NOT have the reasoning abilities she should have developed by the time she was in her mid-20s. She can't even live independently and she can't even manage the older six children. She's still living with her mother in a THREE bedroom house. How do you fit 14 children in a 3 bedroom house along with the mother and the grandmother? That's 16 people total!

We need to be harsh on this mother or else she is not going to realize the consequences of her idiotic actions. We need to put our feet down and say NO!" and "Enough is enough!" and cut her off of all kinds of financial assistance she has been getting, and make her go get a job working 40 hours a week, or even better, 80 hours a week so she can pay back the state and the government and then her grandmother. She took advantage of the system and she took advantage of her mother. That is NOT right. That is VERY wrong.
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I disagree with the bold statement. I am a strong believer of keeping siblings together. Seem everyone is worried about the Octuplets, she has 6 other kids as well to be concerned about.
 
sculleywr said:
I think the above is a quite balanced way for her to redeem herself. I believe people should be given second chances, so while I agree with Lucia that she was irresponsible and should be made to pay back what she stole, we should give her another chance.
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NO. NO MORE SECOND CHANCES FOR HER! She's had 5 chances - 5 pregnancies that resulted in 2 single births, 2 sets of twins, and then OCTUPLETS! That's a total of 14 kids! THIS MUST BE STOPPED! NO MORE FOR HER!
 
Maria said:

It is not necessary for her to work more than 40 hours a week. There's some jobs that pays good with less hours. Some pays fairly with more hours. Dependin' on what kind of job/hrs she wants.
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It IS necessary. She has 14 kids, she cheated the public assistance/welfare system, and she mooched off of her mother, and she has not contributed one damn red cent towards any of her children ever. She needs to pay back the government, and pay back her mother, and all the children should be taken away, the older six to be placed with relatives, and then the octuplets to be placed with adoptive families as soon as they are deemed stable enough by the doctors to leave the hospital. She has clearly shown she cannot provide for ANY of her children at all. Not even one of them. Depends on what job she WANTS? I don't think so! She should not get to choose. She should be sent to a job that the social worker has deemed appropriate for her based on the wages and based on how many hours she can work at that job, the more it pays, the more hours she can work, the better - it would mean more money to pay back to the government and then to her mother so her mother can finally retire.
 
Dixie said:
SECOND CHANCE!! Hell she's had 14!!

I say the kids need to be removed from her care plain and simple. She obviously lacks the LOGIC and COMPREHENSION to realize that she does not have the financial nor physical means to care for so many children.

Like Ive said in the past - once is an accident - anything after that is plain stupidity!

BTW 6 consecutive months of employment means NOTHING to an employer. If she can show she is consecutively employed for the SAME employer for 5 or more years then we can start saying yeah this girl can keep a job. Because she's never worked a day in her life she's going to have to take some pretty crappy jobs before she can start getting the better jobs. She's simply going to have to work her way up.

Ive worked some crappy jobs, but I can honestly say that Ive not worked up enough yet to get that better job yet. Im still working the jobs I dont want to simply because LOGIC and COMPREHENSION tells me that I must work in order to provide for my child. I was laid off and yes I am on unemployment assistance, but I am ACTIVELY looking for a job. The days I am not in school, are the days I spend ALL DAY knocking on doors, filing out applications, following up, and conducting interviews.
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THANK YOU!!! :gpost:
 
dreama said:
I agree. This whole case reminds me of this single deafblind woman I know. They spent a lot of money on services to help her with her baby. In fact a lot of it was unwanted and unwelcome based on doupts on how a deafblind woman could manage a child on her own. People were thinking the child would soon be taken away. Now she is married with 3 children who are all in good health. One of her sons who has inherited her blindness but he seens to be doing ok too. Give it another 10 years with Nadya and her brood and let's see what happens then.
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What does this deafblind woman and her baby have to do with Nadya and her litter? They are completely unrelated stories.
 
Babyblue said:
I disagree with the bold statement. I am a strong believer of keeping siblings together. Seem everyone is worried about the Octuplets, she has 6 other kids as well to be concerned about.
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I would love to see all 14 siblings stay together, but unfortunately, the reality is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to find a family that is willing to adopt all the octuplets plus the older six children. If they find one, that's wonderful. But chances are very slim that they will find one that will take in even just all 8 octuplets, which is why I suggested that all the babies be splitted up to 8 different adoptive families while they are still babies, and why I suggested that the older six children should be placed with different RELATIVES unless a relative couple is willing to take in all six children (if they can provide for all six), which most likely is not going to be happen. We have to be realistic here. Sorry. I would love to keep all 14 children together, but the reality is that there most likely will not be a family that will take in all 14 and be able to provide them with everything they need without assistance. I suggested that the oldest six kids be placed with relatives because they are going to be old enough to remember each other and to remember their mother, if they are placed with relatives they can visit each other and their mother whenever they want. The babies are young enough that they can be adopted out once they are deemed healthy enough to leave the hospital, without too much negative effects of being adopted. The younger the child is adopted, it seems, the better the child does...of course I wish adoptive families would adopt older children, but often older children come with a host of behavioral problems and other things, which are usually why so many adoptive families prefer to adopt very young children or babies.
 
dreama said:
Yes, it is really sad. Also all the negative views and death threats are equally sad.

When I talked about having child abusers steralized some people got offended. But it's ok for people to talk about Nadya Sulman being steralized. (Not that I'm disagreeing in this case because of her compulsion for creating babies). I just find it curious that people show more compassion for child abusers then they do for Nadia Sulemen. That I find very strange.
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Hear Hear! Not that I want anyone sterilzed. I really don't. I am probably overly-compassionate, but, anyway. It is very strange to talk this way about this woman and then get upset about abusers having the same thing done to them. This woman is insecure and unhappy. No one who feels loved and adjusted does this. She needs help. Medical help. I do think the babies should be placed for adoption. These children are paying the price for their mother's mistakes. And those children should not be punished for what their mother did, and that is what will happen if no one helps them.
 
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LuciaDisturbed said:
I would love to see all 14 siblings stay together, but unfortunately, the reality is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to find a family that is willing to adopt all the octuplets plus the older six children. If they find one, that's wonderful. But chances are very slim that they will find one that will take in even just all 8 octuplets, which is why I suggested that all the babies be splitted up to 8 different adoptive families while they are still babies, and why I suggested that the older six children should be placed with different RELATIVES unless a relative couple is willing to take in all six children (if they can provide for all six), which most likely is not going to be happen. We have to be realistic here. Sorry. I would love to keep all 14 children together, but the reality is that there most likely will not be a family that will take in all 14 and be able to provide them with everything they need without assistance. I suggested that the oldest six kids be placed with relatives because they are going to be old enough to remember each other and to remember their mother, if they are placed with relatives they can visit each other and their mother whenever they want. The babies are young enough that they can be adopted out once they are deemed healthy enough to leave the hospital, without too much negative effects of being adopted. The younger the child is adopted, it seems, the better the child does...of course I wish adoptive families would adopt older children, but often older children come with a host of behavioral problems and other things, which are usually why so many adoptive families prefer to adopt very young children or babies.
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Nothing is impossible.

She had eight surviving babies at once. That was once declared impossible.

Surviving octuplets all premature... Used to be impossible.

I am not saying that they should be put up for adoption. I am saying that the Doctor should have to pay for his stupidity. Allowing a person that is not financially stable in the first place to be implanted with 6 embryos.
 
Babyblue said:
Nothing is impossible.

She had eight surviving babies at once. That was once declared impossible.

Surviving octuplets all premature... Used to be impossible.

I am not saying that they should be put up for adoption. I am saying that the Doctor should have to pay for his stupidity. Allowing a person that is not financially stable in the first place to be implanted with 6 embryos.
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Clearly your head is in the sand.
 
Anyways..enough is enough, we all know the lady didn't make smart choices, we all know some people think the doctor should be responsible for these kids, we all know that some people thinks her kids should be put up for adoption and we all know some people think she should have aborted. Inless we can come up with new stuff..let's put it to rest....
 
Babyblue said:
I disagree with the bold statement. I am a strong believer of keeping siblings together. Seem everyone is worried about the Octuplets, she has 6 other kids as well to be concerned about.
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I agree too. I don't think she should lose them at all. They should just be monitors closely but they shouldn't be taken away unless their are signs of abuse.

I don't consider her having the 8 as abusive. It was a big mistake to go in for IVF with her background but who doesn't make them. She did what she could to keep them in as long as she could. What more could she do?
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
I agree with you. The Duggars made responsible decisions in that they mostly had single births with a couple sets of twins. That's not as risky as giving birth to 8 babies. Having octuplets is, of course, extremely risky, and everybody in the entire world who is an adult knows that. If they don't know that, that's only because their heads are so far up their asses or their heads are in the ground/sand, or because their name is Nadya Suleman. Like, duh. Common sense. Plus, the Duggars have their own income, health insurance, they make/sew their own clothes, they can provide all their children with food, medical care, clothes, beds to sleep on, a roof over their head, heat, A/C, everything, and they do not elect to have such a ridiculously huge multiple birth. It's impossible to naturally conceive octuplets, anyway, and they do not use IVF at all or any kind of fertility treatments at all, and even if they did, they would most definitely NOT allow the IVF doctor to implant SIX embryos at once in the mother's uterus, since they obviously do have full reasoning abilities to think this through and make appropriate decisions. If they had chosen to use IVF, they most likely would have asked the doctor to limit it to two embryos. I know I would ask mine to limit it to two if I was receiving IVF treatment - of course I know better. Duh. (No, I don't want to have IVF treatment if I don't need it). All their children were conceived naturally, with good ole lovin' and fuckin'. Nadya has nothing to provide to any of her children, and yet she decided to have children, especially so many, and especially such a huge large multiple birth...EIGHT BABIES! She ELECTED to ALLOW the doctor to implant SIX embryos into her uterus. That's a very irresponsible thing to do. Big difference. No, I do not like that the Duggars had so many children over so many years, but I do have to say that they are so much more responsible than Nadya ever will be, and they have better reasoning abilities and the ability to make appropriate medical and financial decisions regarding all their children, and they are not dependent on any kind of public assistance at all except the donations from other people that they never asked for.

The Duggars and Nadya Suleman have very different motives for having such large families, and they did it differently.

The Duggars say that they are doing it because they believed that it was "their blessing from God" and that they were supposed to accept those "blessings" and that they enjoy having so many children. I don't agree with the religious motive, but that's their motive. And they have the means to provide their children with the things they need. They have shown that they have full reasoning abilities and can make appropriate medical and financial decisions regarding themselves and their own children.

Nadya Suleman's motive was to get attention and to milk the public assistance/welfare/disability payment system for all she can get from it from having so many children and from having such a large multiple birth, and she has proved that she CANNOT provide for any of her children in ANY way. She has NO means to do so. Her actions are very irresponsible. She has shown that she has NO reasoning abilities, and NO common sense, and she is NOT functioning with a full brain, and she has shown that she CANNOT make appropriate medical and financial decisions regarding herself and her children at all.

Huge differences, and very different motives.
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LuciaDisturbed said:
Yep, Nadya is an attention whore, alright. :roll: Now her parents does not get to retire because they to take care of the children that THEY did NOT bring into the world. They were responsible in only having one child, Nadya, because that was all they could afford, and now Nadya is blaming her parents for being an only child and using it as an excuse to have 93874917034987304987534 children for attention and to milk the welfare/public assistance system for all she can get. She is one of the most selfish mothers I have ever heard of and ever seen. I feel very sorry for her parents, and I feel very sorry for all her 14 children. But I do NOT feel sorry for Nadya herself nor for the unethical doctor that provided her with the IVF treatments for all 14 children. I know many people who were an only child, and they never feel the need to have 9837492759137549387 children. They either have one or two, or many times, they even decide not to have ANY, or they just simply adopt instead. They are so much more responsible than Nadya ever has been and ever will be. She does not deserve any positive attention ever. I have absolutely ZERO empathy for her and I have ZERO TOLERANCE for this kind of bullshit. But my heart goes out to all the 14 children, especially the 8 fragile tiny babies who are going to end up with very serious medical problems as a result of Nadya's very irresponsible decisions and actions as well and as a result of her IVF doctor's irresponsible decisions and actions too...they BOTH should be held responsible and accountable for their actions and decisions regarding all 14 children, especially the octuplets.
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Nice put! I don't think I will add something to say. ;)

I just visited the Duggar Family website page, and read some pages, and I think they have some good common sense than what Nadya did. The Duggar parents did handle a such responsible job as a father and a mother. They already knew it's pretty a lot of things to do, but they made a great plan to aviod too much stress, debts, and all stuff that would make them feel overwhelded. I respectfully appluse the parents for supported their oldest son's marriage and to support their firstborn child's desicion. I was so amazed how their kids behaved so well. :shock:

My opinion - I think the octmom should take some advices from the Duggar family if she had six children already. It might be helpful for her kids and her, instead of getting more kids. I think?

jillio said:
I don't have a problem with the number of kids the Duggars have. They are responsible parents, they support their children without assitance, and they are debt free. They appear to be a happy and well adjusted family.
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Yeah, I thought as same as yours. :) Yes, they seems so. I am not against them since they have their own great responsiblity if they want to have a big family. Good for them. :3

Maria said:
Well, first of all -- you are exaggeratin' -- and second of all, THAT is YOUR viewpoints/opinions.
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Maria said:
That's fine by me. It's your viewpoints/opinions as hers.
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Are you insane? :eek: It's not fucking opinion! IT'S DAMN TRUTH. And, Lucia is NOT exaggerating at all. The looney octmom is being so careless to think of having more kids. No job, not enough money, and etc etc. Don't you get it? I have only very little tolerance for this octmom, but her parents have my tolerance and my respect, especially the 14 kids. This lowly bitch have a lack of self-respect, which is really sicken me to stomach. I can't believe how you said like that... I had talked with my mom and she told me that she was thankfully happy that she don't have to pay some money on hers. She also said she can't imagine if she have to deal a such thing!!! :mad: Oh, and I don't talk with my sister yet. I'll see what she will say about it.

Again, it's NOT an opinion. :(
 
dreama said:
I agree too. I don't think she should lose them at all. They should just be monitors closely but they shouldn't be taken away unless their are signs of abuse.

I don't consider her having the 8 as abusive. It was a big mistake to go in for IVF with her background but who doesn't make them. She did what she could to keep them in as long as she could. What more could she do?
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:gpost:
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Are you insane? :eek: It's not fucking opinion! IT'S DAMN TRUTH. And, Lucia is NOT exaggerating at all. The looney octmom is being so careless to think of having more kids. No job, not enough money, and etc etc. Don't you get it? I have only very little tolerance for this octmom, but her parents have my tolerance and my respect, especially the 14 kids. This lowly bitch have a lack of self-respect, which is really sicken me to stomach. I can't believe how you said like that... I had talked with my mom and she told me that she was thankfully happy that she don't have to pay some money on hers. She also said she can't imagine if she have to deal a such thing!!! :mad: Oh, and I don't talk with my sister yet. I'll see what she will say about it.

Again, it's NOT an opinion. :(
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Why are you being so rude to Maria? She is entitled to her views. I've enough of horrible posts that condem this women when she is already recieving death threats. All though I don't totally agree with Maria, her views (and those of babyblue and Chris's mom) make a refreshing change from all that hate.
 
Hey hey, I don't hate octmom at all.

I'm not being rude. We pointed out it's a FACT, not opinion. That's all.
 
Children are a gift from the Lord, indeed, they are a blessing.

Even though these babies wasn't produced "normally" they are still a blessing from God. Because if he didn't want her to have them she wouldn't have..Sorry to bring regelion into it but couldn't help it. It goes with my view points that a child is a child!!
 
chris' mom said:
Children are a gift from the Lord, indeed, they are a blessing.

Even though these babies wasn't produced "normally" they are still a blessing from God. Because if he didn't want her to have them she wouldn't have..Sorry to bring regelion into it but couldn't help it. It goes with my view points that a child is a child!!
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Yeah, I second that :)
 
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