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This is part of the stimulus....It is footnoted for verification

Fish Food ($50 million)
The federal government is spending $50 million for aquaculture assistance – or fish food —through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.203 This includes money to help feed tropical ornamental fish, shellfish, catfish, tilapia, and hybrid striped bass. To be accepted for funding, fish farmers must certify that the fish food makes up 25 percent of their production budget.204 Fish are not the only water creatures to benefit from this program, though. The money can also go toward feeding alligators and turtles.205

How does this help the economy? You could hire 1,000 teacher's for what we are paying to feed fish.

47. College Students Visit Costa Rica for Summer Studies ($564,635)
Duke University has received a $564,635 grant from the National Science Foundation to send undergraduates to Costa Rica over the next five summers to study the rainforests.216 Each year, ten students will participate in an eight-week program at the La Selva Biological Station in Costa Rica. Students will also be given a chance to experience Costa Rica‘s ―ecotourism‖ opportunities—a brochure likewise boasts, ―A short bus ride from there takes you to the capital city of San Jose, where you can experience the full variety of ‗Tico‘ culture and cuisine.‖217

Might create jobs......in Costa Rica. How does it help OUR economy. You could pay for books,fees and tuition for 2 years at Durham Tech Community College for 100 students with $500,000

Study On Why Young Men Do Not Like Condoms ($221,355)
Indiana University professors received $221,355 in economic stimulus funds to study why young men do not like to wear condoms. The research will ―advance our understanding of…the role of cognitive and affective processes and condom application skills in explaining problems with condom use in young, heterosexual adult men,‖ and to create ―education

Creates jobs???? You could buy 6,000 pairs of shoes for needy children for the same amount and help shoe mfg as well

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TXgolfer said:
We are an oil rich country....Just not allowed to drill where the oil is.

Getting a huge refund check just means that you over paid in the first place.....You gave the government an interest free loan.
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No, we aren't an oil rich country as Saudi Arabia is.
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-oil-reserves-countries-map.html
http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/who-has-the-oil.jpg

Oil drilling isn't simple and cheap as you think. Giving permission to have oil drilling would benefit oil companies, but it doesn't help give us cheap gas but it does make oil companies much richer, IMO.

Your statement is just opinion.

As for the IRS, I paid the same rate of federal tax at my old workplace and I also became a college student too so that how I got huge tax refund, however I thought the amount would be less since I might have underpaid federal tax, but it turned into a huge tax refund for unknown reasons.
 
Foxrac said:
No, we aren't oil rich country as Saudi Arabia does.

Oil drilling isn't simple and cheap as you think. Give a permission to have oil drilling would benefits for oil companies but it doesn't help to give us a cheap gas and it does make oil companies so more rich, IMO.

Your statement is just opinion.

For IRS, I have pay same percent of federal tax at my old workplace and being college student too so that how I got huge tax refund, however I thought it would be lower due not enough federal tax but turned into huge tax refund for unknown reason, don't say if it is overpriced.
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Almost my entire family....both sides (except me).....is in the Oil business. Private oil business at that. We have wells in Central TX, west TX and eastern NM. So I know how much it costs to drill. I also know that we have an unbelievable amount of oil that has been untouched and oil businesses are drooling at the chance to get to it regardless of cost. No government help needed.

Eliminating the transportation costs of importing oil alone would bring a significant savings to consumers.
 
Foxrac said:
No, we aren't an oil rich country as Saudi Arabia is.
Oil Reserves Countries Map
http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/who-has-the-oil.jpg

Oil drilling isn't simple and cheap as you think. Giving permission to have oil drilling would benefit oil companies, but it doesn't help give us cheap gas but it does make oil companies much richer, IMO.

Your statement is just opinion.

As for the IRS, I paid the same rate of federal tax at my old workplace and I also became a college student too so that how I got huge tax refund, however I thought the amount would be less since I might have underpaid federal tax, but it turned into a huge tax refund for unknown reasons.
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:hmm: Would be interesting to know why
 
TXgolfer said:
Almost my entire family....both sides (except me).....is in the Oil business. Private oil business at that. We have wells in Central TX, west TX and eastern NM. So I know how much it costs to drill. I also know that we have an unbelievable amount of oil that has been untouched and oil businesses are drooling at the chance to get to it regardless of cost. No government help needed.

Eliminating the transportation costs of importing oil alone would bring a significant savings to consumers.
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That's fine if oil companies are interest to have drilling in US and I don't want government or my taxes goes to oil companies for expensive drilling but just their own money. It will take 10 years or more to have an big oil businesses in US without need major of import oil and gas price would be expensive for sure.

I do know about US has alot of unconventional oil (oil shale) but they decided not take this business because of cost and it does works if oil price is over $100's per barrel. That's how about they went import the oil from other countries instead.

We need to break our dependence on oil and invest in other energy sources.

FYI, I had edited my first post to correct my grammar.
 
Foxrac said:
That's fine if oil companies are interest to have drilling in US and I don't want government or my taxes goes to oil companies for expensive drilling but just their own money. It will take 10 years or more to have an big oil businesses in US without need major of import oil and gas price would be expensive for sure.

I do know about US has alot of unconventional oil (oil shale) but they decided not take this business because of cost and it does works if oil price is over $100's per barrel. That's how about they went import the oil from other countries instead.

We need to break our dependence on oil and invest in other energy sources.

FYI, I had edited my first post to correct my grammar.
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They don't need government help. They just need government to get out of the way.
 
TXgolfer said:
They don't need government help. They just need government to get out of the way.
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That's corporation for you, lol.

Many corporation want government to get out of their way so I don't trust them without any regulation.
 
Foxrac said:
Like I said, it isn't as simple and cheaper as you think.

The number is just estimate, not fact.
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Again......My entire family is in the Business.....It's not a matter of what I "think" it's what I know. And what I know is Independant businesses are ready to get these projects underway without cost to the taxpayer.... But government is in the way. I guess that is just Democrats being the party of No.
 
TXgolfer said:
Again......My entire family is in the Business.....It's not a matter of what I "think" it's what I know. And what I know is Independant businesses are ready to get these projects underway without cost to the taxpayer.... But government is in the way. I guess that is just Democrats being the party of No.
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I'm really don't care about your family is in business or not, even some of my families are in business too.

Go whine about IRS and big government whatever you want; it wouldn't make me to help you since we don't share the same agreement.
 
What's definition of big government?

Some people said Bush Admin is big government, also same applies to Obama Admin.

Big government is pretty nothing, even it isn't just real word, IMO.
 
Foxrac said:
What's definition of big government?

Some people said Bush Admin is big government, also same applies to Obama Admin.

Big government is pretty nothing, even it isn't just real word, IMO.
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yes there is big government and small government - depending on each Administration. Some Administrations prefer bigger federal control on USA.... which is typical of Democratic Party.

Those terms are the "pooface" term in attempt to vilify them. under Bush Administration - the people felt USA has become a police state cuz of Patriot Acts. under Obama Administration - people felt the federal government is encroaching on states because of mandatory public option and others.
 
You say we are not oil rich.......but the facts say we are...lots of shale and plenty on the coast.

You say shale is too expensive......but companies are willing to do this on their own dime so it must be worth it.

Democrats are the only thing stopping us from drilling even though it costs the taxpayer nothing.

You say it will take ten years.......doubtful even if it did thats ten years in which many will be employed by the private sector to research,explore,design and build. It's like a stimulus plan that costs the tax payer nothing.

These are facts. Facts are not whine.
 
Foxrac said:
I'm really don't care about your family is in business or not, even some of my families are in business too.

Go whine about IRS and big government whatever you want; it wouldn't make me to help you since we don't share the same agreement.
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lol there's nothing you can do to help him :)
 
TXgolfer said:
You say we are not oil rich.......but the facts say we are...lots of shale and plenty on the coast.

You say shale is too expensive......but companies are willing to do this on their own dime so it must be worth it.

Democrats are the only thing stopping us from drilling even though it costs the taxpayer nothing.

You say it will take ten years.......doubtful even if it did thats ten years in which many will be employed by the private sector to research,explore,design and build. It's like a stimulus plan that costs the tax payer nothing.

These are facts. Facts are not whine.
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USA still have low oil reserves than Saudi Arabia and I just provide an source to show you so check my post above.

Like I said, number is just estimate, not fact number.

Drilling in oil shale area is still legal in specified area, not same as offshore drilling.
 
Foxrac said:
USA still have low oil reserves than Saudi Arabia and I just provide an source to show you so check my post above.

Like I said, number is just estimate, not fact number.

Drilling in oil shale area is still legal in specified area, not same as offshore drilling.
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how you know USA has less oil reserves than Saudi Arabia if you don't know how much we got as a fact :hmm:
 
Foxrac said:
USA still have low oil reserves than Saudi Arabia and I just provide an source to show you so check my post above.

Like I said, number is just estimate, not fact number.

.But it leaves out shale

Drilling in oil shale area is still legal in specified area

Exactly....thats what I meant by government being in the way. What did you think I meant
not same as offshore drilling

Not true, we are still not allowed to drill on Florida's east coast or on the California coast
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Jiro said:
how you know USA has less oil reserves than Saudi Arabia if you don't know how much we got as a fact :hmm:
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TXgolfer said:
Lol I was wondering the same thing
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No, I means number is refer to count of oil shale that we have left in US and I said number is just estimate because 1.7 trillion barrels seems not always accurate number and it could be much less than projected.

Reason of US has low oil reserves so answer is statistic say so.
Oil reserves (most recent) by country

Have business with oil shale is legal in specified area of US, it isn't part of law about restriction on offshore drilling. Not many oil companies has take the business with oil shale but rather to import from other country or have find conventional oil in offshore or land whatever it has great number of oil resources.

Oil shale is just like you are convert the coal into liquid oil.

Txgolfer, there's government does capable to spending our taxes on oil drilling projects so it is still part of government help, only some conservatives or anyone who is best friend with oil companies would favors.
 
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