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TXgolfer said:
Foxrac said:
Oh.... I already answer your question so time for me to repeat at one more time.

California is very liberal state, it has nothing with senators and I know about they don't want oil drilling in anytime. I believe it should be up to other state to make decision.

And how exactly do you know that California doesn't want to drill?

There's no ban on oil shale but just limited in specified area and federal ban on oil drilling is in most of offshore, exception of Texas and Louisiana and any protected area like ANWR or Yellowstone National Park, it has been existing for 30 years.

But earlier you said there were no bans

Hell no, I wouldn't let oil companies to drilling in ANWR or protected area and it has nothing with oil rich country.

Oh but it does. This started over whether or not we are oil rich....We are, just some people don't want to drill where it is

That's your opinion, government in Russia is far better than government from communist China

True it is my opinion (and many others) that the Russian government causes gas prices in Russia to be high.
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It was on CNN in 2008 and California don't want oil drilling in their state so couldn't find source. I do believe that California wouldn't allow to oil drilling after federal ban has lift in anytime because of their historic of parties, usually associated with liberal.
California board urges no new oil drilling offshore | Reuters

Where I did said about no bans so it sounds like you are misunderstand my post.

Well, oil market in world is just screw up so gas price in Russia is heavily tied with oil market like rest of Europe, otherwise, Russia has flat tax at 14%.
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Foxrac said:
TXgolfer said:
It was on CNN in 2008 and California don't want oil drilling in their state so couldn't find source. I do believe that California wouldn't allow to oil drilling after federal ban has lift in anytime because of their historic of parties, usually associated with liberal.
California board urges no new oil drilling offshore | Reuters

Where I did said about no bans so it sounds like you are misunderstand my post.

Well, oil market in world is just screw up so gas price in Russia is heavily tied with oil market like rest of Europe, otherwise, Russia has flat tax at 14%.
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Boards and politicians maybe.....The same people keeping water from the farmers.....We will see what happens when/if the people vote.

If the people of california are as liberal as you say what happened with Prop 8????
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TXgolfer said:
Boards and politicians maybe.....The same people keeping water from the farmers.....We will see what happens when/if the people vote.

If the people of california are as liberal as you say what happened with Prop 8????
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Compare Prop 8 with oil drilling is just apple to orange because Prop 8 has absolutely nothing with oil drilling. :roll:

The highest number of support Prop 8 are Obama supporters because many blacks are against on gay marriage so it is just totally different situation.

I lived in CA for 14 years and I'm already know about CA don't want more oil drilling, period and also many people don't support either, especially in Los Angeles and SF.
 
critical thinking. use it. :cool2:
 
Foxrac said:
Compare Prop 8 with oil drilling is just apple to orange because Prop 8 has absolutely nothing with oil drilling. :roll:

The highest number of support Prop 8 are Obama supporters because many blacks are against on gay marriage so it is just totally different situation.

I lived in CA for 14 years and I'm already know about CA don't want more oil drilling, period and also many people don't support either, especially in Los Angeles and SF.
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And the Republican Governor???
 
TXgolfer said:
And the Republican Governor???
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Well, Have republican governor don't automatically support oil drilling so it is depends on issue and there's not any good democrat governor candidate in 2006 so people voted Arnold for many different of issues, so oil drilling is one of small reason, even many coastal countries are liberal so I doubt about oil drilling would grant if CA allows so would have permission from cities or counties.

Oil drilling in CA is pointless, except for oil wells in deep desert.

There's some reason because against on oil drilling due oil spill in TX and AK. I do know about Exxon won't pay any damage that has done from oil spill in 1989 and it was huge disaster. That's what I don't want happen in California coast.
 
Foxrac said:
Well, Have republican governor don't automatically support oil drilling so it is depends on issue and there's not any good democrat governor candidate in 2006 so people voted Arnold for many different of issues, so oil drilling is one of small reason, even many coastal countries are liberal so I doubt about oil drilling would grant if CA allows so would have permission from cities or counties.

Oil drilling in CA is pointless, except for oil wells in deep desert.

There's some reason because against on oil drilling due oil spill in TX and AK. I do know about Exxon won't pay any damage that has done from oil spill in 1989 and it was huge disaster. That's what I don't want happen in California coast.
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:lol: The point is you stated that California is "very liberal" yet on a huge liberal issue they voted toward the right and they elected a Republican Governor......so who knows how the people of the state feel about drilling.

Also Exxon paid over 2 Billion to clean up after the Valdez......you may be thinking of their battle over punitive damages
 
TXgolfer said:
:lol: The point is you stated that California is "very liberal" yet on a huge liberal issue they voted toward the right and they elected a Republican Governor......so who knows how the people of the state feel about drilling.

Also Exxon paid over 2 Billion to clean up after the Valdez......you may be thinking of their battle over punitive damages
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It is true about California is very liberal state in general, along with IL and Mass, despite on republican victory because republican is just thing.

I used lived in CA and I do know about how people's feeling so oil drilling offshore is out of question in CA and don't expect too much.

Arnold isn't more conservative as Sarah Palin does, he sounds like RINO to me.
 
Foxrac said:
It is true about California is very liberal state in general, along with IL and Mass, despite on republican victory because republican is just thing.

I used lived in CA and I do know about how people's feeling so oil drilling offshore is out of question in CA and don't expect too much.

Arnold isn't more conservative as Sarah Palin does, he sounds like RINO to me.
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:hmm:

51% of Californians back offshore drilling - SFGate

http://www.ucei.berkeley.edu/PDF/EPE_005.pdf

Offshore drilling foes relent - Los Angeles Times

67% Support Offshore Drilling, 64% Expect it Will Lower Prices - Rasmussen Reports
 
Foxrac said:
Polling isn't reliable source, it is just like polls say Prop 8 will defeat but turned into passed.

You are just in wonderland now.

California isn't same as Texas, they are different state.

No oil drilling offshore in CA, sorry.
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Amazing #1 You consider yourself more reliable than polling

Amazing #2 They already drill offshore in California. It's about more drilling

Offshore drilling
 
Foxrac said:
Polling isn't reliable source, it is just like polls say Prop 8 will defeat but turned into passed.

You are just in wonderland now.

California isn't same as Texas, they are different state.

No oil drilling offshore in CA, sorry.
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sorry but University of California in Berkeley Campus supported those polls - link. and the Gallup polls supported it as well (but not California specifically).

Before you ignorantly say "polling isn't reliable source"... educate yourself first on GALLUP's reputation on polling.
 
TXgolfer said:
Amazing #1 You consider yourself more reliable than polling

Amazing #2 They already drill offshore in California. It's about more drilling

Offshore drilling
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No, I don't believe in any polling until I see on my own, I'm not just like you that who depends on polls.

Well, CA is nowhere as common as Texas does for oil drilling but still limited, not same as Houston that where is TX-Louisiana coast has many oil drilling.

My point is about no new oil drilling in CA right now but just very small for really.
 
Jiro said:
sorry but University of California in Berkeley Campus supported those polls - link. and the Gallup polls supported it as well (but not California specifically).

Before you ignorantly say "polling isn't reliable source"... educate yourself first on GALLUP's reputation on polling.
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I'm talking about media based polling, not university, even I don't give a damn about polling because they always change in over time.

Like I said, I will believe when I see on my own.
 
Foxrac said:
No, I don't believe in any polling until I see on my own, I'm not just like you that who depends on polls.

Well, CA is nowhere as common as Texas does for oil drilling but still limited, not same as Houston that where is TX-Louisiana coast has many oil drilling.

My point is about no new oil drilling in CA right now but just very small for really.
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really?

CEI Praises California Oil Drilling and No-New-Tax Budget Compromise
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CEI Praises California Oil Drilling and No-New-Tax Budget Compromise

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by Christine Hall
July 21, 2009
CEI Praises California Oil Drilling and No-New-Tax Budget Compromise
But State Still In Trouble With Global Warming Law

WASHINGTON, July 21, 2009 – Top California lawmakers have included a plan for expanding oil drilling off the Southern California coast, as part of a budget compromise aimed at closing the state's $26 billion shortfall. The move drew praise from the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

“State Republican legislators, led by Senate Minority Leader Dennis Hollingsworth, are to be commended for forcing Republican Governor Schwarzenegger and the Democratic majority in the legislature to accept a budget deal that includes no tax increases, significant budget cuts, and new offshore oil and gas production,” said Myron Ebell, Director of Energy and Global Warming Policy for the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

Ebell, however, also warned that drilling won’t be enough to save the state. “California’s budget agreement will not bail out California’s economy, but it won’t contribute to further decline. California must repeal the state’s economically catastrophic global warming legislation.”

The state in 2006 passed legislation requiring carbon dioxide emissions reductions by 25 percent cut mandated by 2020. The cost of the global warming legislation, according to a new study, will be enormous – over 1 million jobs.

Under the governor’s plan, the state would allow drilling off the Santa Barbara coast, estimated to generate some $1.8 billion in revenue over time. It would reportedly be the state’s first new offshore oil project in four decades.
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California Lands Commission spurns Schwarzenegger's oil drilling proposal
The State Lands Commission on Monday lashed out at an attempt by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to allow the first new oil drilling in California waters since 1969.

Lt. Gov. John Garamendi, chairman of the three-member panel, called the governor's effort "a naked power grab." At a contentious hearing in Santa Monica, the commission passed a resolution urging legislators not to go along with the plan, which would revive a drilling proposal off the Santa Barbara County coast that the commission killed in January.

At issue is a complex arrangement crafted by Plains Exploration & Production, a Texas oil company, and a coalition of Santa Barbara environmental groups. Under the plan, the oil company would drill into the state's seafloor from a platform it owns in federal waters, just beyond the three-mile limit. In return, the company would agree to shut down that platform and three others by 2022 and to donate 4,000 acres of land for public use.

Seen as a way to eventually end much of the drilling in the Santa Barbara Channel, the idea was hailed as an unprecedented compromise by a broad range of environmental organizations that supported it in January. But many of those groups now oppose the plan if it would require an end-run around the Lands Commission, which has authority over oil drilling and other sensitive issues.

In budget proposals last month, Schwarzenegger suggested revisiting the Tranquillon Ridge drilling plan. The governor is asking the Legislature to transfer authority over the project to his finance department. Over 14 years, Tranquillon Ridge would provide about $2 billion to the state -- a "very important source of revenue," according to commission member Tom Sheehy, deputy director of the California Department of Finance.

"With a $23-billion deficit, now is not the time for business as usual," he said.

At Monday's hearing, Garamendi dismissed assurances from the Schwarzenegger administration that his panel's independence would not be eroded.

"You've taken the position of destroying several decades of work by this commission," he told Sheehy, pointing out that it was established in the late 1930s after an oil scandal had snared state officials.

Sheehy countered that there was nothing wrong with legislative oversight. "The power this body has can be changed, altered, truncated or terminated at any time by statutes," he said. "Let's not forget that."
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Bush lifts ban on new oil drilling off California
President Bush has lifted the executive ban on offshore oil drilling, a move that’s expected to be hotly opposed by many environmental groups. The decision also will stir debate in Congress, which would have to approve new oil and gas leases to companies wanting to drill in the waters off California and Florida.

“This means that the only thing standing between the American people and these vast oil reserves is action from the U.S. Congress,” Bush said, according to the AP.

There are more than 30 active drilling platforms off California, including seven in state and federal waters off north Orange County.

Bush has said that expanding drilling in offshore oil fields is necessary to help reduce the nation’s dependence on imported oil. His position is supported by Republican presidential candidate John McCain. His opponent, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, who appeared in Newport Beach on Sunday, supports the ban. So does Republican California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, and such major environmental organizations as the Natural Resources Defense Council.
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I guess the polls were right after all....... :)
 
Jiro said:
really?

CEI Praises California Oil Drilling and No-New-Tax Budget Compromise


California Lands Commission spurns Schwarzenegger's oil drilling proposal


Bush lifts ban on new oil drilling off California
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Ugh, I never know about Bush Admin has lift the oil drilling ban for southern CA coast, however I hopefully it don't put in closer to beach or any oil spill in near future because I love beaches in CA.

Back in 2006, I know about CA is anti-oil drilling but it went change alot after gas price has up to after $4 that put pressure on Americans to favor in oil drilling.
 
Foxrac said:
Ugh, I never know about Bush Admin has lift the oil drilling ban for southern CA coast, however I hopefully it don't put in closer to beach or any oil spill in near future because I love beaches in CA.

Back in 2006, I know about CA is anti-oil drilling but it went change alot after gas price has up to after $4 that put pressure on Americans to favor in oil drilling.
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I suggested you google news from Sept 2008 many many posts ago.....


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Originally Posted by Foxrac
California is very liberal state so oil drilling is out of question, they have getting something to improve the financial situation and don't expect about oil drilling will be solely solve the issue.

No, federal ban on oil drilling has been existed for around 30 years.
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Are you sure???

Not expanding drilling may cost U.S. $2.4 trillion | Reuters



What about ANWAR???? Is that a ban

What kind of ban did Bush end in 2008? Was that 30 years ago?
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