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Obama's apparently doing well.

First, he is loaning money for nuclear power plants which we really need and that cuts down dependence on oil.

Second, we captured two Taliban leaders and that's a HUGE deal - something that Bush have struggled since 2001.

Third, stimulus is starting to trickle down and unemployment claims is slowing down significantly. We should start to see growth in the next few months.

Fourth, GOP's are exposed as hypocrites when they voted NO NO NO on stimulus yet have the nerve to take credit when they "cut" the ribbon for new jobs when in fact, those jobs are made possible by the recovery act.
 
Obama's apparently doing well.

First, he is loaning money for nuclear power plants which we really need and that cuts down dependence on oil.

Second, we captured two Taliban leaders and that's a HUGE deal - something that Bush have struggled since 2001.

Third, stimulus is starting to trickle down and unemployment claims is slowing down significantly. We should start to see growth in the next few months.

Fourth, GOP's are exposed as hypocrites when they voted NO NO NO on stimulus yet have the nerve to take credit when they "cut" the ribbon for new jobs when in fact, those jobs are made possible by the recovery act.
Eh
 
Can't really say.
Afterall, he has only been in office for a year... Right?
 
um, we captured two Taliban leaders and he's giving money for nuclear plants... that's like totally cool! I am citing the achievements he has done.
 
That's cool!

So the same should be allowed vice versa.

I'm this way with all politicians.

Each Presidents have their upsides and downsides.

Just saying..

Since the political threads usually ends up lopsided.
:)
 
Obama's apparently doing well.

First, he is loaning money for nuclear power plants which we really need and that cuts down dependence on oil.

That's right he is loaning money....our money,our kids money and our grandkids money....instead of removing restrictions on drilling which would cost us nothing and create jobs immediately.

Second, we captured two Taliban leaders and that's a HUGE deal - something that Bush have struggled since 2001.

War is tough but......Under Bush we captured and killed a few Taliban and Al Queda leaders too. And by a few I mean alot. The lists below

List of Taliban leaders - Discussion and Encyclopedia Article. Who is List of Taliban leaders? What is List of Taliban leaders? Where is List of Taliban leaders? Definition of List of Taliban leaders. Meaning of List of Taliban leaders.

List of alleged Al-Qaida members - Discussion and Encyclopedia Article. Who is List of alleged Al-Qaida members? What is List of alleged Al-Qaida members? Where is List of alleged Al-Qaida members? Definition of List of alleged Al-Qaida members. Mean



Third, stimulus is starting to trickle down and unemployment claims is slowing down significantly. We should start to see growth in the next few months.

Unemployment claim numbers are based on NEW claims. Thats not an indication that jobs are coming back. Merely that losses are starting to level off. Plus those numbers do not take into account contractors who are out of work, people who are under employed or people, people who have taken early retirement or people who have stopped looking for work.

The real Jobless rate....ouch
News Headlines

Fourth, GOP's are exposed as hypocrites when they voted NO NO NO on stimulus yet have the nerve to take credit when they "cut" the ribbon for new jobs when in fact, those jobs are made possible by the recovery act.

What new jobs???

Here is what Democrat Evan Byah said..

But if I could create one job in the private sector by helping to grow a business, that would be one more than Congress has created in the last six months. If I could help educate our children at an institution for higher learning, that would be a noble thing. If I could help a charity, cure a disease or do something else worthwhile for society — that's what has motivated my life and that's what I think Congress needs to focus on, things that will help the American people meet the challenges they face in real ways in their daily lives. That's what I want to do with my life. And if you'll invite me back on your show in 11 months, I'll be able to tell you!"
 
Hey, here's one more good thing about Obama--he didn't close GITMO after all. :lol:
 
Hey, here's one more good thing about Obama--he didn't close GITMO after all. :lol:

And he didn't sign a bad Health Care Bill.......:lol: (he couldn't....his own party couldn't agree for a year even though they had all the votes they needed within the party)
 
Two word, I dunno.
 
Two word, I dunno.

Ok let me help

First.....The new figures just released say between 2 and 2.4 million jobs were created by the stimulus......What they fail to mention is that we lost millions of private sector jobs at the same time. It would be like buying 10 powerball tickets and winning $3 on one of them then saying hey I won $3.......Um no, you lost $7


There is another big problem with the numbers. Big big problem. All of the jobs added are Government funded jobs.......Paid for by the stimulus. "Infrastructure" jobs which are new roads and bridges and airport construction. What happens when the stimulus runs dry? Either we raise taxes to overpay people to build roads or the jobs end. Both are bad endings. We just saw the housing bubble burst. We are now watching a jobs bubble form.

Have you ever seen the guys holding the slow sign or flag for road crews?....Do you realize we pay them $15-20/hr to do that? Have ever noticed when you pass a road crew how one guy is working while 5 guys are watching. Well those people are paid with our tax dollars. And those are the jobs the stimulus is creating.
 
A little flash backward.....let's see if we can figure out why the GOP might say no.

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- From upgrading the electricity grid to rebuilding bridges to computerizing medical records, there are plenty of ways the economic-stimulus bill aims to prop up the economy and create millions of jobs.

But what kinds of jobs -- and who will qualify for them? Those are questions that 11.6 million unemployed Americans may well be asking. See story on 598,000 jobs lost in January.

U.S. Unemployment Rate JumpsU.S. employment plunged in January, new data show. WSJ's Phil Izzo and Kelly Evans discuss the growing job losses and what it signals about the rest of the year.
For construction workers, the stimulus plan may be the best news in years. After losing about 900,000 jobs since September 2006, as many as 670,000 construction workers could be back on the job by the end of 2010, according to some estimates -- if the stimulus bill works as planned.

What about when the stimulus runs out of money???

That job growth would come from projects to rebuild roads and bridges, plus make schools, homes and government buildings more energy-efficient, among other initiatives. Of course, construction projects aren't all alike and workers from, say, the residential industry may need to retrain.

Why not build more schools????Who is going to pay to retrain the workers and how long will that take????

Meanwhile, computer programmers, information-technology experts and data-entry workers should benefit from the goal to computerize the nation's medical records.

"The idea is to have the entire U.S. hospital and medical system able to share medical records. That's a big project that will require a lot of information-technology programmers and data entry, people to scan records into the system," says Ross Eisenbrey, vice president of the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal think tank in Washington.

Why is this needed and what happens to those jobs when all the records are entered??

Sounds kinda temporary to me


Still, the stimulus plan includes saving jobs, not just creating them. Other than construction, most new jobs may not emerge until next year, Eisenbrey said.

Uncertain outcome
Overall, the stimulus plan would create or save about 3.6 million jobs by the end of 2010, according to projections last month by Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein, economists in the Obama administration, based on early versions of the stimulus plan. They say a stimulus bill would mean an unemployment rate of 7% in 2010, versus 8.8% otherwise. The estimate doesn't detail how many jobs are saved, as opposed to created.

Ummm.....we are at 9.7% now and that's not even the "Real" unemployment

Many uncertainties remain. The estimates are based on an early draft version of the bill. The Senate is expected to act on its version of the bill early this week; the House has already passed a bill and there are some big differences between the two that will have to be worked out before legislation goes to the president for his signature.

Also, assessing job creation is an inexact science. Romer and Bernstein repeatedly noted "considerable uncertainty" in their estimates.

Well I guess they covered themselves with this

Mark Zandi, chief economist with Moody's Economy.com, said in an estimate last month that about three million jobs would be created or saved by the end of 2010. Sectors beyond construction should see a pick up hiring thanks to billions of additional dollars pushed through the economy -- Zandi forecast an added 386,000 retail and 346,000 leisure and hospitality jobs -- but also directly through planned projects.

For you folks scoring at home that's roughly 10% of the jobs lost

For instance, the plan's focus on alternative energy would help wind farms, which need manufacturers to make turbine components, operations and maintenance people to run farms, and financial-services workers to structure financing for these projects, said Britt Theismann, membership director of the American Wind Energy Association, a trade group.

Of course first the need a way to get this energy to work large scale....no need to build the stuff before it can be used

A plan to improve the nation's electricity infrastructure and craft a "smart grid," eventually giving consumers more control over their electricity use, might create jobs for electrical, communications and computer engineers, said Gordon Day, president of the IEEE-USA, a professional association for engineers



The plan's focus on infrastructure projects could mean jobs beyond construction. "Many large public-works projects will require accountants, bookkeepers, controllers, auditors and other accounting and finance-related positions," said Paul McDonald, executive director of Robert Half Management Resources, in an email.

Again, what happens to these "might create" and "could mean" jobs when the stimulus runs out?

Health-care and government workers should benefit from a big influx of federal funds into the Medicaid program and other aid to states, plus an expected expansion of health-care benefits for unemployed people, says Paul McIntosh, executive director of the California State Association of Counties, in Sacramento. That could mean, for instance, more office-assistant and administrative jobs in hospital billing departments.

Except they were trying to cut Medicaid in Health Care reform


For those at the executive or manager level, expertise in computer science or alternative-energy research and development may pay off, said Mark Anderson, president of ExecuNet, a Norwalk, Conn.-based network of executives. "People who manage new technology are clearly going to be at a premium."

Hmm....might create,could create and may pay off. With statement like these it is hard to believe the GOP could vote no on the stimulus package isn't it
 
It is a tricky deal

The American worker can compete only by earning less wages than the workers the value added jobs have been outsourced to. That is where epic fail economic policy has taken us. Until steps are taken to change that situation then we will continue crashing. Or lets all just plan on going back to the good old days of child labor, sweat shops, high worker death rates, and out of control pollution, the whole gamut of exploitation that we used to enjoy.

There were lots of people hollering no when we as a country charted this course. Mostly they were union represented voices. Well here we are. Suck it up is all I can say. It wasn't like a big mystery that this is where things would end up.
 
Unions helped in their day.....but they are killing us now. Look at the auto industry.....those guys wouldn't even take a pay cut to save their jobs. The pilots have almost killed the airlines. The cost of the war??? Well it doesn't help that all of the defense contractors are union. How about the housing bubble? Well compare housing prices where union labor is common (Northeast) and where union labor is rare (South) and that's atleast part of the difference.

We need to limit outsourcing but we need to give employers options as well. Taking away the secret ballot only makes things worse.
 
sorry man that dog wont hunt

Unions are less than 15 percent of the workforce and have been for many years.
 
Ok let me help

First.....The new figures just released say between 2 and 2.4 million jobs were created by the stimulus......What they fail to mention is that we lost millions of private sector jobs at the same time. It would be like buying 10 powerball tickets and winning $3 on one of them then saying hey I won $3.......Um no, you lost $7


There is another big problem with the numbers. Big big problem. All of the jobs added are Government funded jobs.......Paid for by the stimulus. "Infrastructure" jobs which are new roads and bridges and airport construction. What happens when the stimulus runs dry? Either we raise taxes to overpay people to build roads or the jobs end. Both are bad endings. We just saw the housing bubble burst. We are now watching a jobs bubble form.

Have you ever seen the guys holding the slow sign or flag for road crews?....Do you realize we pay them $15-20/hr to do that? Have ever noticed when you pass a road crew how one guy is working while 5 guys are watching. Well those people are paid with our tax dollars. And those are the jobs the stimulus is creating.

I haven't confirm or deny about Obama's job is good because he isn't over until 2012.

Well, economy has went bad since started during Bush admin and worsen under Obama admin. You really can't expect that stimulus package would able to prevent from increase of unemployment and we have no control on private sector because they can lay them off as they want. It would be more time for economy to recover to 2003 level.

I'm personally believe that anyone make more than $100,000 need pay more taxes than anyone make less than $100,000, that what progressive tax means. Toobad about any US conservatives or tea party members are whine about tax system is being unfair but tax system has been existing in US for many many years. Flat tax would works if US is oil rich country or rich resources that sell for alot of money, otherwise so it would be far more budget deficit than today, IMO.

I got huge tax refund from IRS and gotta love it.

I'm not side with you, netrox or kokonut.
 
I've never supported the war. Obama's war mongering gives me no joy.
 
I haven't confirm or deny about Obama's job is good because he isn't over until 2012.

Well, economy has went bad since started during Bush admin and worsen under Obama admin. You really can't expect that stimulus package would able to prevent from increase of unemployment and we have no control on private sector because they can lay them off as they want. It would be more time for economy to recover to 2003 level.

I'm personally believe that anyone make more than $100,000 need pay more taxes than anyone make less than $100,000, that what progressive tax means. Toobad about any US conservatives or tea party members are whine about tax system is being unfair but tax system has been existing in US for many many years. Flat tax would works if US is oil rich country or rich resources that sell for alot of money, otherwise so it would be far more budget deficit than today, IMO.

I got huge tax refund from IRS and gotta love it.

I'm not side with you, netrox or kokonut.

We are an oil rich country....Just not allowed to drill where the oil is.

Getting a huge refund check just means that you over paid in the first place.....You gave the government an interest free loan.
 
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