Obama: This isn't your 'run-of-the-mill recession'

[Liebling:-)))]

Refer to Reba's post, she gave a link about DeMint's views.

and Jiro's post AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Obama: This isn't your 'run-of-the-mill recession'

Yes, I have and posted link in my post # 107 against Reba's link.

Reba's post
Use Demint's plan.

A liberal rebuttal to DeMint's plan

Earlier, we linked to Michael Franc's rhapsodic praise for the Demint Plan, which he suggested would:

lead to the creation of 1.3 million new jobs in 2010, 7.5 million by 2013, and an astounding 18 million within ten years. Residential and commercial real estate activity would also soar, by almost $300 billion over 5 years.

Here's Matt Yglesias singing a different tune:

The trouble is that for job growth to keep pace with population growth, we need to add 1.5–1.6 million new jobs every year. To get a labor market recovery off the ground after well over a year of job losses, we need the pace of job growth to be considerably faster than that. DeMint’s promise of 1.3 million jobs is a promise to keep recessionary conditions going through 2010. Meanwhile, even the Bush administration Treasury Department has conceded that large, unfunded, permanent tax cuts of the sort DeMint is proposing result in slower long-run growth. Because DeMint’s plan is so generous to the richest Americans, they may well wind up better off under his slow-growth scenario than they would be under more balanced policies. But middle class Americans would be much better served by a policy that brings about more rapid recovery—the Romer-Bernstein number for the Obama plan is 3.7 million jobs instead of DeMint’s 1.3 million—and that lays the foundation for long-term growth by avoiding the sort of huge long-run deficits that DeMint’s plan would guarantee.

GOP 12: A liberal rebuttal to DeMint's plan

I agree with Michael Franc and Matt Yglesias over job and population growth. DeMint's plan is good for wealthy Americans... DeMint's plan is create 1,3 million job up to 2010 to compare with Obama's plan 3,7 million job? DeMint's plan is too slow to population growth.

Does DeMint's plan work since there're thousands people already lost their homes and job ?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

huh??? what? I can't tell Obama how I would like my tax money being spent on. Whatever Obama is doing with our tax money, it IS and WILL go into war effort ANYWAY. Afghanistan, remember? :roll:

OF COURSE I know about Afghanistan... :roll: you misinterpreted my post...

Should I fresh your memory what and how Bush did for past 8 years?

Republicians have no problem with Bush Admin. for spend billions/trillions on war issues to neglect USA country but why do they have the problem with Obama's plan is for the people and improve America's country? I can imagine how and what Republicans reacts if Obama said that stimulus plan is for war and wealthy, not the people and America's country? Of course they would jump and vote STRAIGHT WAY happily... :roll: that's why I Obama's plan for the people and America's country more than war issues. No wonder why Republicians that Obama's plan is not for wealthy people and war...

That's why I ASKED you for your preference either your tax go to war or take care of your country and then explained you why I support Obama's plan. Of course, you as taxpayer would go with Obama's plan. I as an American taxpayer would prefer to see my people and country goes improve thru Obama's plan than billion/trillions on war issues than help people and America's country.

Get it?

 

[Foxrac]

and Jiro's post AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Obama: This isn't your 'run-of-the-mill recession'

Yes, I have and posted link in my post # 107 against Reba's link.



A liberal rebuttal to DeMint's plan

Earlier, we linked to Michael Franc's rhapsodic praise for the Demint Plan, which he suggested would:

lead to the creation of 1.3 million new jobs in 2010, 7.5 million by 2013, and an astounding 18 million within ten years. Residential and commercial real estate activity would also soar, by almost $300 billion over 5 years.

Here's Matt Yglesias singing a different tune:

The trouble is that for job growth to keep pace with population growth, we need to add 1.5–1.6 million new jobs every year. To get a labor market recovery off the ground after well over a year of job losses, we need the pace of job growth to be considerably faster than that. DeMint’s promise of 1.3 million jobs is a promise to keep recessionary conditions going through 2010. Meanwhile, even the Bush administration Treasury Department has conceded that large, unfunded, permanent tax cuts of the sort DeMint is proposing result in slower long-run growth. Because DeMint’s plan is so generous to the richest Americans, they may well wind up better off under his slow-growth scenario than they would be under more balanced policies. But middle class Americans would be much better served by a policy that brings about more rapid recovery—the Romer-Bernstein number for the Obama plan is 3.7 million jobs instead of DeMint’s 1.3 million—and that lays the foundation for long-term growth by avoiding the sort of huge long-run deficits that DeMint’s plan would guarantee.

GOP 12: A liberal rebuttal to DeMint's plan

I agree with Michael Franc and Matt Yglesias over job and population growth. DeMint's plan is good for wealthy Americans... DeMint's plan is create 1,3 million job up to 2010 to compare with Obama's plan 3,7 million job? DeMint's plan is too slow to population growth.

Does DeMint's plan work since there're thousands people already lost their homes and job ?

You made misled, Obama's package use range, he state that package will create 1 to 3 million jobs, it doesn't means that his package will be full 3 millions new job and there's no status if his package is work or not.

The Congressional Budget Office has predicted that the plan will create between 1 million and 3 million jobs.

Stimulus package en route to Obama's desk - CNN.com

DeMint's plan isn't only for wealthy but it's for everyone, our recession are taking long to recover, it would take 5 to 10 years to recover the economy and lower unemployment rate to under 4%.

In during Bill Clinton admin, he created 23 million jobs when congress were republican controlled at this time and Clinton don't have much choice to use democrat's idea, for DeMint's plan that create 18 million jobs in 10 years are projected when economy is recover, that's more make sense.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

How? How is Obama's plan "the only hope for America?" What will the plan do?
You must have a reason.

Check the link, I posted at my post #107.

 

[Foxrac]

OF COURSE I know about Afghanistan... :roll: you misinterpreted my post...

Should I fresh your memory what and how Bush did for past 8 years?

Republicians have no problem with Bush Admin. for spend billions/trillions on war issues to neglect USA country but why do they have the problem with Obama's plan is for the people and improve America's country? I can imagine how and what Republicans reacts if Obama said that stimulus plan is for war and wealthy, not the people and America's country? Of course they would jump and vote STRAIGHT WAY happily... :roll: that's why I Obama's plan for the people and America's country more than war issues. No wonder why Republicians that Obama's plan is not for wealthy people and war...

That's why I ASKED you for your preference either your tax go to war or take care of your country and then explained you why I support Obama's plan. Of course, you as taxpayer would go with Obama's plan. I as an American taxpayer would prefer to see my people and country goes improve thru Obama's plan than billion/trillions on war issues than help people and America's country.

Get it?

You made ill info to label republican as only for wealthy, there's alot of conservative people are support republican, regardless on income and wealthy people are usually to own business to create more jobs, if tax rate is higher (not reasonable) then they wouldn't able to own business or invest to create more jobs in future.

Almost all republican are disagree with Obama's package because of high spending and more government interfere with businesses.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

While we don't know for certain whether Obama's stimulus package will help America, I at least give him credit that he is taking some steps to address the poor state of the economy. Doing something is better than doing nothing at all.

Yes, Obama work hard to salvage America. Sure, he is not perfect but he is trying hard to get America's country improve... Why can't anyone give him chance?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What's wrong with that? The Republicans have clearly shown that they have no interest in working with Obama to achieve anything. Judd Gregg withdrew his nomination as Secretary of Commerce. Republicans are already calling Obama a failure.

I would prefer that Obama get things done without congressional Republicans standing in his way like a bunch of crybabies.

This is Judd Gregg's problem, for refuse to work with Obama and his new ideas for America's country, not Obama...

I think Republicans are so selfish for not want to work together with Obama for America's country but all what they said is want to see Obama fail... This is so sad.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Brad, do you know why Gregg withdrew?
He withdrew because the Democrats were whining about BO putting a Republican in the position and he could not align himself with what BO is doing and support his decisions.
The Dem whining was because of a push to redistrict voting areas to give the Democrats an unfair advantage for # of members in congress and they knew Gregg would not allow it to occur - they had to get rid of him.

I would encourage everyone to look past the MSM sites and really research what the language of these bills is, research the underlying political movements.

I research everywhere for the truth of matters and do not trust the liberal run media.

I can see that Obama did not for himself but for all Americans. It's sad that Greg didn't give Obama a chance to try...

Greg is a conservative senator and should have known that his view is too opposite Obama's. Anyway, it's Gregg's choice to withdraw if he can't agree with Obama's plan or continue to work for President and have to stick President's plan if he still disagree.

 

[Jiro]

This is Judd Gregg's problem, for refuse to work with Obama and his new ideas for America's country, not Obama...

I think Republicans are so selfish for not want to work together with Obama for America's country but all what they said is want to see Obama fail... This is so sad.

selfish? So it's selfish if someone does not agree with Obama? Different solution, same problem. FYI - Obama is like everybody else - he has agenda and lobbyists to answer to.

 

[Jiro]

Yes, Obama work hard to salvage America. Sure, he is not perfect but he is trying hard to get America's country improve... Why can't anyone give him chance?

because not everybody agrees with his idea. It's called America. We have different opinions/ideas/ways/etc. for same issues.

To blindly listen to him and think he will fix everything is a serious serious ignorance of democracy. Why not agree to my way of dictatorship? I want to save America too but you most likely won't agree to my way of benevolent dictatorship. Why not? it's same thing.

 

[Maria]

because not everybody agrees on his idea. It's called America. We have different opinions/ideas/ways/etc.

To blindly listen to him and think he will fix everything is a serious problem. Why not agree to my way of dictatorship? I want to save America too but you most likely won't agree to my way of benevolent dictatorship. Why not? it's same thing.

What's benevolent dictatorship, if you don't mind me askin' ?

 

[Jiro]

OF COURSE I know about Afghanistan... :roll: you misinterpreted my post...

Should I fresh your memory what and how Bush did for past 8 years?

Should I refresh your memory what and how terrorists did to my country 8 years ago?

We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
We are coming for you.
Expect us.

Republicians have no problem with Bush Admin. for spend billions/trillions on war issues to neglect USA country but why do they have the problem with Obama's plan is for the people and improve America's country? I can imagine how and what Republicans reacts if Obama said that stimulus plan is for war and wealthy, not the people and America's country? Of course they would jump and vote STRAIGHT WAY happily... :roll: that's why I Obama's plan for the people and America's country more than war issues. No wonder why Republicians that Obama's plan is not for wealthy people and war...

uh..... you might want to check on that. Your information is wrong. Many Republicans do not like what Bush Administration did. You forgot about McCain. He was one of the most outspoken Republican critics of Bush Administration.

That's why I ASKED you for your preference either your tax go to war or take care of your country and then explained you why I support Obama's plan.

Again - please stop talking about how I want my tax money being spent on. It's being spent on the same way it has been since the tax system was enacted. beside - why do you care? It doesn't affect you at all. You don't live here and you don't pay the American tax. :roll:

Of course, you as taxpayer would go with Obama's plan.

No I don't.

I as an American taxpayer would prefer to see my people and country goes improve thru Obama's plan than billion/trillions on war issues than help people and America's country.

excuse me? No you are not an American taxpayer. You are PAID by us and meanwhile I am deeply offended by your constant dissenting comments toward to America.

Get it?

sorry no I don't get it. Your blanket comment is full of errors but I understand. You're not American so you don't know much about our system. No biggie.

 

[Jiro]

What's benevolent dictatorship, if you don't mind me askin' ?

a "merciful" dictatorship who cares about people and the country..... not like those cruel, evil, selfish dictators.

 

[Jiro]

and Jiro's post AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Obama: This isn't your 'run-of-the-mill recession'

Yes, I have and posted link in my post # 107 against Reba's link.



A liberal rebuttal to DeMint's plan

Earlier, we linked to Michael Franc's rhapsodic praise for the Demint Plan, which he suggested would:

lead to the creation of 1.3 million new jobs in 2010, 7.5 million by 2013, and an astounding 18 million within ten years. Residential and commercial real estate activity would also soar, by almost $300 billion over 5 years.

Here's Matt Yglesias singing a different tune:

The trouble is that for job growth to keep pace with population growth, we need to add 1.5–1.6 million new jobs every year. To get a labor market recovery off the ground after well over a year of job losses, we need the pace of job growth to be considerably faster than that. DeMint’s promise of 1.3 million jobs is a promise to keep recessionary conditions going through 2010. Meanwhile, even the Bush administration Treasury Department has conceded that large, unfunded, permanent tax cuts of the sort DeMint is proposing result in slower long-run growth. Because DeMint’s plan is so generous to the richest Americans, they may well wind up better off under his slow-growth scenario than they would be under more balanced policies. But middle class Americans would be much better served by a policy that brings about more rapid recovery—the Romer-Bernstein number for the Obama plan is 3.7 million jobs instead of DeMint’s 1.3 million—and that lays the foundation for long-term growth by avoiding the sort of huge long-run deficits that DeMint’s plan would guarantee.

GOP 12: A liberal rebuttal to DeMint's plan

I agree with Michael Franc and Matt Yglesias over job and population growth. DeMint's plan is good for wealthy Americans... DeMint's plan is create 1,3 million job up to 2010 to compare with Obama's plan 3,7 million job? DeMint's plan is too slow to population growth.

Does DeMint's plan work since there're thousands people already lost their homes and job ?

Do you even understand it at all???? I think you just randomly searched for any source just to rebut against DeMint's plan. what you just posted is just some blogger's opinion and his opinion is UNINTELLIGENT. Based on what he said, sounds like he flunked his political science major and/or economic major as well. Like I said in the first place - please explain it in your own word why you think it will help us all.

 

[Foxrac]

Do you even understand it at all???? I think you just randomly searched for any source just to rebut against DeMint's plan. what you just posted is just some blogger's opinion and his opinion is UNINTELLIGENT. Based on what he said, sounds like he flunked his political science major and/or economic major as well. Like I said in the first place - please explain it in your own word why you think it will help us all.

Yup, I was tried to point out at her about recession will be longer to recover, it took 4 years to under 5% unemployment rate and economy were in good condition in mid 2000's but most disgusted is skyrocketing of oil price.

Unemployment rate in mid 2000's are same as in mid to late 90's.

She's from Germany and don't understand about background of republican party.

 

[Daredevel7]

because not everybody agrees with his idea. It's called America. We have different opinions/ideas/ways/etc. for same issues.

To blindly listen to him and think he will fix everything is a serious serious ignorance of democracy. Why not agree to my way of dictatorship? I want to save America too but you most likely won't agree to my way of benevolent dictatorship. Why not? it's same thing.

I agree. However, sometimes I think Republicans disagree with him for "just because" reasons. Why? I looked at their version of the stimulus bill and compared it to the "democrat's" version and it's mostly just minor number differences... makes me roll my eyes. I just say "THAT'S the hold up?"

 

[Hear Again]

I agree. However, sometimes I think Republicans disagree with him for "just because" reasons. Why? I looked at their version of the stimulus bill and compared it to the "democrat's" version and it's mostly just minor number differences... makes me roll my eyes. I just say "THAT'S the hold up?"

Daredevel,

I feel the same way. When Republicans criticize the Democrats' stimulus package, I view that as being hypocritical. Why wasn't it wrong when former President Bush created a stimulus package last year?

 

[Jiro]

Daredevel,

I feel the same way. When Republicans criticize the Democrats' stimulus package, I view that as being hypocritical. Why wasn't it wrong when former President Bush created a stimulus package last year?

it was.

 

[Maria]

a "merciful" dictatorship who cares about people and the country..... not like those cruel, evil, selfish dictators.

A merciful ? Are you REALLY sure about yourself, eh?

I read some of your posts, you certainly NOT a merciful, but a domestic dissent dictator!

 

[Reba]

Daredevel,

I feel the same way. When Republicans criticize the Democrats' stimulus package, I view that as being hypocritical. Why wasn't it wrong when former President Bush created a stimulus package last year?

Is this what you are referring to?

Bush signs stimulus bill; rebate checks expected in May - CNN.com