Obama: This isn't your 'run-of-the-mill recession'

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How do you know that when Obama's stimulus package hasn't been proven to be ineffective yet?

but then - how do you know if it will be effective? same thing. we can just debate and decide on the best course of action. IMO - his stimulus package is bad cuz I've said this several times - it's like pouring water into bucket with hole.
 
Should I refresh your memory what and how terrorists did to my country 8 years ago?

We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
We are coming for you.
Expect us. :mad2:

Don't copy my question "Should I fresh your memory what and how Bush did for past 8 years?"

9/11 is all for past 8 years of Bush Admin. you remember...? That's all? Now I see all is your answer that 9/11 attack is only one, you remember... Interesting... I respect you for just remember only 9/11... I say no more further comment...


uh..... you might want to check on that. Your information is wrong. Many Republicans do not like what Bush Administration did. You forgot about McCain. He was one of the most outspoken Republican critics of Bush Administration.

You claim that my information is wrong? :lol: Look at your post... :lol: Not really, most Republicans were on Bush's side except Colin Powell and few Repubicans.

During Election 2008, a lot of Republicans support Obama over McCain.

Don't you know that McCain voted to support Bush Admin. 95% ? It tell itself that McCain disagree only 5% of Bush Admin. Sure, McCain & Bush as private people are good friend. Don't you remember the example about Colin Powell? Colin Powell and McCain are good friend as private people but Colin support Obama over McCain due political reasons.



Again - please stop talking about how I want my tax money being spent on. It's being spent on the same way it has been since the tax system was enacted. beside - why do you care? It doesn't affect you at all. You don't live here and you don't pay the American tax. :roll:

excuse me? No you are not an American taxpayer. You are PAID by us and meanwhile I am deeply offended by your constant dissenting comments toward to America.

sorry no I don't get it. Your blanket comment is full of errors but I understand. You're not American so you don't know much about our system. No biggie. :cool2:


Accord AllDeaf rules, I as a foreigner is welcome to view US polities. I watch US uncensor polities on TV a lot... If you don't like then AllDeaf Forum is not right for you. You can look for another Forum who is for American view only.

I truly feel sorry for you, Jiro.




No I don't.

Really? :lol:
 
Do you even understand it at all???? I think you just randomly searched for any source just to rebut against DeMint's plan. what you just posted is just some blogger's opinion and his opinion is UNINTELLIGENT. Based on what he said, sounds like he flunked his political science major and/or economic major as well. Like I said in the first place - please explain it in your own word why you think it will help us all.

You alway demand source everytime I post but you took Reba's link to comment your posts... Is your comment your own word? I don't see... but your opinion.

I made my own search against Reba's link until I found 2 links to support my view because I cannot get DeMint's plan. It's pretty illogical to me. You think your posts are fact, not really... it's just opinion of you... like me. All what I see that you think you know everything in the world and belittle the links, I provided against Reba's link. I see why not to agree to disagree with any opinion and fact... Is it harm to entitle the opinion?

I would say the same about you as well, Foxrac.

Please respect when I entitle different view as you both instead of take my post harshly... If you want to disagree with me then welcome to prove me wrong instead of belittle me because I'm a foreigner...

I want you treat me as human being instead of see in me as a foreigner.

:ty:


 
I would say to Liebling:))) , with all due respect - you need to research and stop listening to far left wing nut liberal sites and MSM news outlets. Spouting looney left talking points all the time only proves the fact that you know not of what you speak.

With all due repsect - I watch uncensor US politic on TV everyday and also read reliable newspapers including use reliable links as well. I read German, British and American online newspapers (Deutsche Welle, Spiegel, BBC world and MSNBC).

All of reliable links are public, it's not my responsible that you don't want to see both side.

Honestly, I have read your posts a lot and must said that you are strongly conversative and read only biased and one side...


I find it mildly amuzing and irritating that people who have no vested interest in this country assume (and you know what that does) to tell us stupid Americans what is what.

Could you please show me where I say that Americans are stupid?

Why do you care what happens in America?

As an European and a foreigner with a strong interest in American politics. Europeans and Foreigners do have a right to their opinions and also express support for Obama what and how he want to better relationships with America and many countries around the world as a peacemaker.

The reason Europe and the rest of the world find themselves so concerned with American politics is because of war and economy.

As long as US presidents don't mess around is okay with many countries around the world. If yes, it becomes our concern/issues, too.

Take a look at a mess being caused by former president Bush. How many innocent people including children killed in Middle East countries?

Anyway this Forum is the public for around the world to view and share the POV. Alex welcome the people from around the world to register his Forum. If you don't like what you read then this Forum is not right for you. Don´t you know that there´re freedom of speech?



It will not affect your socialistic lifestyle in Germany.

Excuse me for your ignorance comment.
 
but then - how do you know if it will be effective? same thing. we can just debate and decide on the best course of action. IMO - his stimulus package is bad cuz I've said this several times - it's like pouring water into bucket with hole.

One way to know if Obama's stimulus package is effective is by finding out whether or not it encourages people to spend. Perhaps that won't solve the economy's long term problems, but it may give some relief temporarily.
 
You alway demand source everytime I post but you took Reba's link to comment your posts... Is your comment your own word? I don't see... but your opinion.

I made my own search against Reba's link until I found 2 links to support my view because I cannot get DeMint's plan. It's pretty illogical to me. You think your posts are fact, not really... it's just opinion of you... like me. All what I see that you think you know everything in the world and belittle the links, I provided against Reba's link. I see why not to agree to disagree with any opinion and fact... Is it harm to entitle the opinion?

I would say the same about you as well, Foxrac.

Please respect when I entitle different view as you both instead of take my post harshly... If you want to disagree with me then welcome to prove me wrong instead of belittle me because I'm a foreigner...

I want you treat me as human being instead of see in me as a foreigner.

:ty:



No, you don't fully understand about economy in US, even economy history as well, we did had recession before and not much of government was support to assist, including with republican or democrat, also you don't know about republican, work for USA in Germany isn't enough to know and you got yourself to be embarrassed.

I don't want you to leave this forum but you are too far from make fair opinion because you are foreigner, unlike Royale and his way is more appreciate than your way. I noticed you made alot of discusses about our government, that's ALOT for sure and make us feel like you are provoking at our country, including our culture, I'm really got enough of you to discuss about our government everyday and assume over everything to cause misled by yourself, I means you really don't fully know about our country, unless you are immigrant. Debate over abortion, death penalty, religion or anything are fine, long as you don't provoke at our country, except make any simply to disagree with government is ok but not much deeper.

I don't make any provoke against your country, is it fair and you don't ask any questions about our countries but rather to assume and wait for members to correct you, I'm American and born in US, I do know about our country since you aren't. You are just listen to liberal media and don't understand about background of republican, it's not wealthy, period and you need go their website and read about their background.

Both of democrat or republican aren't perfect but they got mixed opinion on side to side and no one need to follow all of their background or philosophy.

I believe that some of DeMint's plan are similar to Reagan in 1980's and he was great president, we had recession at this time and recovered for GDP in 1982 but unemployment rate isn't drop to under 5% in few years, it means that reduce of unemployment rate to under 5% will take few to 10 years, depends on how is worse with recession and government interfere. Obama's package will not going to be any difference or could be worse instead of shorten the recession due government interfere. Bill Clinton wasn't bad but majority republican in congress made Bill Clinton to have less spending and less government interfere, that why economy went boom in 90's until dot-com bust was occurred in early 2000's and US was in recession until late 2001 and unemployment rate don't drop to under 5% until mid 2000's, especially 2004-2006. Some of Clinton admin were blamed for early 2000's recession, same goes with some of Bush admin were blamed for late 2000's recession, not at most cases, there's many factors that caused recession and democrat made more government interfere than republican does, that what I had done with research and expressed some of my opinion.
 
Don't copy my question "Should I fresh your memory what and how Bush did for past 8 years?"

9/11 is all for past 8 years of Bush Admin. you remember...? That's all? Now I see all is your answer that 9/11 attack is only one, you remember... Interesting... I respect you for just remember only 9/11... I say no more further comment...




You claim that my information is wrong? :lol: Look at your post... :lol: Not really, most Republicans were on Bush's side except Colin Powell and few Repubicans.

During Election 2008, a lot of Republicans support Obama over McCain.

Don't you know that McCain voted to support Bush Admin. 95% ? It tell itself that McCain disagree only 5% of Bush Admin. Sure, McCain & Bush as private people are good friend. Don't you remember the example about Colin Powell? Colin Powell and McCain are good friend as private people but Colin support Obama over McCain due political reasons.










Accord AllDeaf rules, I as a foreigner is welcome to view US polities. I watch US uncensor polities on TV a lot... If you don't like then AllDeaf Forum is not right for you. You can look for another Forum who is for American view only.

I truly feel sorry for you, Jiro.






Really? :lol:

It's not true about alot of republican support Obama, only small of them, that what I know and that's your opinion about McCain, however based on McCain's view for political are little far from Bush admin and that's not exactly 95% are same as Bush, make any percent don't matters but liberal people made comment to label McCain support 95% of Bush admin.
 
Not counting the other related businesses and infrastructures that will benefit, and how our dependence on foreign oil will be reduced.

I wouldn't mind throwing in a few off-shore windmills either.

Lower income taxes for everyone who pays taxes.

Offer incentives for businesses to open or expand operations and hire more people.

The point is not just to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but to reduce out dependence on fossil fuels.
 
No, you don't fully understand about economy in US, even economy history as well, we did had recession before and not much of government was support to assist, including with republican or democrat, also you don't know about republican, work for USA in Germany isn't enough to know and you got yourself to be embarrassed.

You can say what you want and what you beleive in.

I can see that it's no use to debate with you over US polities. Of course I know a lot because I involved with Americans and US poliities on TV.


I don't want you to leave this forum but you are too far from make fair opinion because you are foreigner, unlike Royale and his way is more appreciate than your way. I noticed you made alot of discusses about our government, that's ALOT for sure and make us feel like you are provoking at our country, including our culture, I'm really got enough of you to discuss about our government everyday and assume over everything to cause misled by yourself, I means you really don't fully know about our country, unless you are immigrant. Debate over abortion, death penalty, religion or anything are fine, long as you don't provoke at our country, except make any simply to disagree with government is ok but not much deeper.

For your information, I am Liebling, not Royale.

I do not see anything that I provoke or mislead America but agree to disagree to US polities and share what I know. I agree and disagree with Americans over US polities since 2004... If you feel that I provoke you then freel free to press bad report me on Alex and moderator.


I don't make any provoke against your country, is it fair and you don't ask any questions about our countries but rather to assume and wait for members to correct you, I'm American and born in US, I do know about our country since you aren't. You are just listen to liberal media and don't understand about background of republican, it's not wealthy, period and you need go their website and read about their background.

Of course I question Americans about polities awfully ALOT since 2004 but some ADers can't handle my questions.

Both of democrat or republican aren't perfect but they got mixed opinion on side to side and no one need to follow all of their background or philosophy.

Of course I am aware of it and agree with you on this like what we have few parties here in Germany...

I believe that some of DeMint's plan are similar to Reagan in 1980's and he was great president, we had recession at this time and recovered for GDP in 1982 but unemployment rate isn't drop to under 5% in few years, it means that reduce of unemployment rate to under 5% will take few to 10 years, depends on how is worse with recession and government interfere. Obama's package will not going to be any difference or could be worse instead of shorten the recession due government interfere. Bill Clinton wasn't bad but majority republican in congress made Bill Clinton to have less spending and less government interfere, that why economy went boom in 90's until dot-com bust was occurred in early 2000's and US was in recession until late 2001 and unemployment rate don't drop to under 5% until mid 2000's, especially 2004-2006. Some of Clinton admin were blamed for early 2000's recession, same goes with some of Bush admin were blamed for late 2000's recession, not at most cases, there's many factors that caused recession and democrat made more government interfere than republican does, that what I had done with research and expressed some of my opinion.


Yes, I remember therer'e a lot blame in Clinton and Bush Admin.

Yes, to my view that I agree that Reagan and Clinton were good presidents, also Abrahman Lincoln as well.

I don't want to prove you wrong but respect your view on DeMint's plan when I see different view as you. Can you handle agree to disagree, no matter either you or I are wrong?

Like what I said in my previous post that it's too early to judge Obama's plan either it works or not since Obama took Bush's position over. All what I do is give Obama the chance to try...

Yes, we also have economy crisis here in Germany and EU countries as well and also reccession in 1920s as well.


 
You can say what you want and what you beleive in.

I can see that it's no use to debate with you over US polities. Of course I know a lot because I involved with Americans and US poliities on TV.


For your information, I am Liebling, not Royale.

I do not see anything that I provoke or mislead America but agree to disagree to US polities and share what I know. I agree and disagree with Americans over US polities since 2004... If you feel that I provoke you then freel free to press bad report me on Alex and moderator.


Of course I question Americans about polities awfully ALOT since 2004 but some ADers can't handle my questions.

Of course I am aware of it and agree with you on this like what we have few parties here in Germany...


Yes, I remember therer'e a lot blame in Clinton and Bush Admin.

Yes, to my view that I agree that Reagan and Clinton were good presidents, also Abrahman Lincoln as well.

I don't want to prove you wrong but respect your view on DeMint's plan when I see different view as you. Can you handle agree to disagree, no matter either you or I are wrong?

Like what I said in my previous post that it's too early to judge Obama's plan either it works or not since Obama took Bush's position over. All what I do is give Obama the chance to try...

Yes, we also have economy crisis here in Germany and EU countries as well and also reccession in 1920s as well.


I don't need report to mod because you are provoke our country, it's just like compare to liberal media that attack on McCain, it doesn't cover on AD rule but some members has same feel as me too.

I'm aware of your post are awfully alot of questions about our country but I'm going ignore some of your post.

Now, I can see you just got my point about republican party, I'm very fiscal conservative but moderate in social, it means my support is more leaning to republican.

I just made point in other post about too early to judge on Obama's package but words for this package that what I was disagree with him but if it does help to shorten the recession then wouldn't be bad but will take long time for unemployment rate to drop to normal, unless we need change the fiscal policies, such as give a less tax to make more investment and create new jobs.
 
If you don't like this thread then don't post.

It's part of related to economy.

It has nothing to do with liking this thread or not.

It's the mere fact that you and Reba, jiro are continually attacking Liebling for being a foreigner when some of her posts do relate to this topic.

The mere reasoning for the attack on her posts is due to the fact that you have no substance to support your argument against hers!

Now--the mere reasoning for stating to have this thread :lock: is due to the fact that it has already been derailed.
 
It has nothing to do with liking this thread or not.

It's the mere fact that you and Reba, jiro are continually attacking Liebling for being a foreigner when some of her posts do relate to this topic.

The mere reasoning for the attack on her posts is due to the fact that you have no substance to support your argument against hers!

Now--the mere reasoning for stating to have this thread :lock: is due to the fact that it has already been derailed.

I should say repeat, If you can't stand in this thread then don't bother to post here.

Both of me and Liebling are ok now, quit being complain over issues and if you want lock the thread then go ask mod without any make complain on public.
 
I should say repeat, If you can't stand in this thread then don't bother to post here.

Both of me and Liebling are ok now, quit being complain over issues and if you want lock the thread then go ask mod without any make complain on public.

Boo hoo hoo.
 
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