Obama supporters?

PuyoPiyo said:
Ohh sorry if my English was too strong for you, but I didn't capitalize the "L" so it's still another liberal party. Libertarian is a liberal, but different kind of liberal party.
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Oh really? Got a link to that definition? I was under impression that they are two different philosophies.

Regardless, I see the same old negative drivel repeated about Obama in here. Some people never learn. You know, you can look at his website too for research. You shouldn't believe what you read in chain e-mails. :roll:
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Some things of list that I don't like Obama's ideas... To me, it's either too or a little risky plans for future if Obama is a president. Of course, I'd aware of his plans may change... Who knows?

- Some of his plans...
- Anti-Unborn Child & Other one...

- Education (That's sound so nice, too bad, I don't trust this for some reasons)

- Foreign Policy (sound pretty good but, still I don't trust some parts of his idea... Seems a bit of ticky)

- Disabilities (Sound good plans but do you think he would do it? :dunno:)

- Immigration

EDIT: Yeah, Obama do have some mitiarty experiences, I'd aware of that. Unfortunately I have to agree with Jiro (Pacman I think?) that his experience of skills is not good enough. I already read some posts here and other threads.

That's why I decide to not vote Obama. As for McCain, I am STILL unsure about that, yet. I consider to try research some other people who interest to be president...
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Great explanation of your POV about Obama's plans. I have to agree with you, I have to be careful with the Democrats too because they can be too control our entire country. Democrat can be near to the Socialism and even the Communist. Always watch out for how the parties or government's POV works and watch for its realistic.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Great explanation of your POV about Obama's plans. I have to agree with you, I have to be careful with the Democrats too because they can be too control our entire country. Democrat can be near to the Socialism and even the Communist. Always watch out for how the parties or government's POV works and watch for its realistic.
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Indeed. That was why I must back off and be netural until I decide to pick a good choice for my country and our future. :)

I didn't realize how his ideas could be risky and ticky, impo. =/
 
BradB08 said:
Oh really? Got a link to that definition? I was under impression that they are two different philosophies.

Regardless, I see the same old negative drivel repeated about Obama in here. Some people never learn. You know, you can look at his website too for research. You shouldn't believe what you read in chain e-mails. :roll:
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Well actually I did read his website, and used to be his supporter. I was used to thought he was more respect to our civil rights more than McCain, also are more respect to our environments and I think I can support him due to his numbers of supporters, but due to his universe health benefit plan, I quit..

Obama's a good man to me, but I am fear of his too control over us.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Well actually I did read his website, and used to be his supporter. I was used to thought he was more respect to our civil rights more than McCain, also are more respect to our environments and I think I can support him due to his numbers of supporters, but due to his universe health benefit plan, I quit..

Obama's a good man to me, but I am fear of his too control over us.
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And you'd prefer the current system? :roll:

I'd take universal health care over a pile of medical bills accrued because my insurance would not cover them.

Insurance paying for nothing or insurance paying for all?

I'm going with the latter.
 
BradB08 said:
And you'd prefer the current system? :roll:
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We already have the Medicaid/Medicare and we don't need to change that. The only thing I see about it is that it is just giving the governments more money from those people who don't need the health benefits. As I just told to Karissa, watch out how the governments do it and watch out for the real reason why they did it.

I'd take universal health care over a pile of medical bills accrued because my insurance would not cover them.
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You have a job that give you the health benefits? Great! You are rich and can afford your health benefits? Great! You are too poor to get a insurance so you have a Medicaid from those who paid the taxes to help you? Great!

I see nothing that we really need the universe health benefits.

Insurance paying for nothing or insurance paying for all?
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As my POV, it's more for nothing but making the government a bigger and rich.

I'm going with the latter.
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Good luck.
 
BradB08 said:
And you'd prefer the current system? :roll:

I'd take universal health care over a pile of medical bills accrued because my insurance would not cover them.

Insurance paying for nothing or insurance paying for all?

I'm going with the latter.
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but do you rather pay hefty tax for it? It's not fair for healthy people since they don't need much medical care.
 
Pacman said:
Not good move, Canada and many other countries with universal health benefit has poor doctor, nurse, others, also more wait time, you would wait for surgery until 6 month, even 1-3 years, depends on situation and long wait at doctor visit as well, it will increase more taxes to fund on universal health benefit, it means taxes will take around 50% out of payroll for good paying job, or other methods that contain so higher tax, depends on how could work out.

I'm not support universal health benefit, that it, very longer story about happens in other countries, I'm favor for companies to offers cheaper insurance and reduce of medical cost, even doctors in US don't accept cheap labor.
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Same here, lousy doctors and nurses and hospitals. I had to make an appt with my dr 4 months ahead now unlikely before two weeks ahead. I perfer to pay 50 percent to help others who need it more than me. U have no idea how much those medical cares and medicines does to the eldery people. My grandmother, my husband's had to pay 300 bucks for eye drops alone, insurance does not cover it at all. She is 97 and live on small SSA. Where does she gets money for it? My father in law had to pay for it to help her out. What kind of our country is doing to our own people.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
We can't force people to have the insurance. I won't support the universe health benefit till it have a option for those who don't want the health benefits.
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Who does not want universe health benefits? probably notyou but you collect ssi right?

Funny we are being forced to have insurance on our cars, and houses then we are being forced to pay Fed, state, SS, Medicare and property taxes. Our taxes goes to people who work for the government and our government pay our taxes to those people who work for the contractors and they complains about universal health benefits? What about my sister in law, she suffers for many years and need an operation but our government refuse to pay for the surgery. Is she not important to you or others but to me she is and she keeps reminds me many time there is alot of people out there who need our help and I resisit that I pay my money to those workers who make more money than me and don't want to help those people who need medical care than us. U and I should be so damn lucky we are healthy and strong.
 
jiro123 said:
but do you rather pay hefty tax for it? It's not fair for healthy people since they don't need much medical care.
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When it is your turn then you will be sorry. People does not stay healthy forever.
 
jazzy said:
When it is your turn then you will be sorry. People does not stay healthy forever.
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which is it's logical to have cheaper and affordable health coverage plan.
 
jiro123 said:
but do you rather pay hefty tax for it? It's not fair for healthy people since they don't need much medical care.
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I want my taxes to count for something besides security (or rather, the current administration's idea of "security").

So, if they're going to make me pay taxes, I'd rather pay for health care than war.

In regards to health insurance, I am not rich. I work full time and still, there are procedures that my health insurance will not cover from time to time. I'm not interested in wasting my time with phone calls and haggling. I'd rather cut them out completely.
 
jazzy said:
Who does not want universe health benefits? probably notyou but you collect ssi right?

Funny we are being forced to have insurance on our cars, and houses then we are being forced to pay Fed, state, SS, Medicare and property taxes. Our taxes goes to people who work for the government and our government pay our taxes to those people who work for the contractors and they complains about universal health benefits? What about my sister in law, she suffers for many years and need an operation but our government refuse to pay for the surgery. Is she not important to you or others but to me she is and she keeps reminds me many time there is alot of people out there who need our help and I resisit that I pay my money to those workers who make more money than me and don't want to help those people who need medical care than us. U and I should be so damn lucky we are healthy and strong.
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Well yeah I have the SSI, and also the Medicares. I am not sure if your sister in law was in different country, but if she was in the USA, then she could have gotten a medicare.

Also I am against all of those you listed about the insurances, but I don't really complain about taxes just if they are being honestly and be fair with us.

Nothing taking too personal from me ;)
 
PuyoPiyo said:
We already have the Medicaid/Medicare and we don't need to change that. The only thing I see about it is that it is just giving the governments more money from those people who don't need the health benefits. As I just told to Karissa, watch out how the governments do it and watch out for the real reason why they did it.



You have a job that give you the health benefits? Great! You are rich and can afford your health benefits? Great! You are too poor to get a insurance so you have a Medicaid from those who paid the taxes to help you? Great!

I see nothing that we really need the universe health benefits.


Wait a minute. I'm confused. Do you not see the right to health care as a civil/human right for all? Or do you truly believe that some should be denied access to proer health care?
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jazzy said:
Same here, lousy doctors and nurses and hospitals. I had to make an appt with my dr 4 months ahead now unlikely before two weeks ahead. I perfer to pay 50 percent to help others who need it more than me. U have no idea how much those medical cares and medicines does to the eldery people. My grandmother, my husband's had to pay 300 bucks for eye drops alone, insurance does not cover it at all. She is 97 and live on small SSA. Where does she gets money for it? My father in law had to pay for it to help her out. What kind of our country is doing to our own people.
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There are elderly people in this country that are having to decide whether to buy medicine or food, because they cannot afford both. And these are people that have worked for 30-40 years, paid taxes, raised families, supported the schools, etc, etc. It is a humilation to America to create a situation such as this for people.
 
jillio said:
PuyoPiyo said:
Wait a minute. I'm confused. Do you not see the right to health care as a civil/human right for all? Or do you truly believe that some should be denied access to proer health care?
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I don't support denying anyone from the health insurance, nor do I support forcing everyone to support the health insurance, but I do support if people want the health insurance and to help others with the health insurance, it's just that it shouldn't have anything to do with the governments.

My POV from this also applies to the education issues. I don't support denying anyone from the education, nor do I support forcing them to receive some of education, but I do support them if they want their children to be educated.

My favorite quote: "We can't force people to be free!".
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jillio said:
There are elderly people in this country that are having to decide whether to buy medicine or food, because they cannot afford both. And these are people that have worked for 30-40 years, paid taxes, raised families, supported the schools, etc, etc. It is a humilation to America to create a situation such as this for people.
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My grandmother can barely get by on her meager income.She's 90. Since my grandfather died, we've stepped in more to help her with the burden but it's getting to a point where my own parents have to decide between heating oil and food and they have to raise a granddaughter on top of it.

I don't think people understand the situation enough. If you pay taxes, your money should cover not only the security of the country, but your health and well-being as well.
 
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