Obama supporters?

Compiled by the NRA...you blew it right there. :laugh2::laugh2:

nope. yea.. like you can find something with neutral view. of course... you'd be showing me results/sources compiled by someone who shared your view. :laugh2::laugh2:
 
What is wrong with having universe health benefit? I guess u never experience being without health benefit unlikely my sister in law when she was billed by the hospital for one million dollar. I will vote for Obama.

Not good move, Canada and many other countries with universal health benefit has poor doctor, nurse, others, also more wait time, you would wait for surgery until 6 month, even 1-3 years, depends on situation and long wait at doctor visit as well, it will increase more taxes to fund on universal health benefit, it means taxes will take around 50% out of payroll for good paying job, or other methods that contain so higher tax, depends on how could work out.

I'm not support universal health benefit, that it, very longer story about happens in other countries, I'm favor for companies to offers cheaper insurance and reduce of medical cost, even doctors in US don't accept cheap labor.
 
so do you deny it? please stop flooding the thread if you do not have anything of value to say. :ty:

Deny what, jiro? I don't need to deny anything. The allegations were not against me, they were against Obama. And he has already denied them.

And, I would suggest that you take your own advise.
 
nope. yea.. like you can find something with neutral view. of course... you'd be showing me results/sources compiled by someone who shared your view. :laugh2::laugh2:

Do you know the meaning of "reputable source"?:roll:
 
I'm not support universal health benefit, that it, very longer story about happens in other countries, I'm favor for companies to offers cheaper insurance and reduce of medical cost, even doctors in US don't accept cheap labor.

true that! Biggest reason for high medical cost is because of liability. They've gotta place the CAP LIMIT on malpractice compensation, provide incentives for doctors to make general population healthy, etc.
 
Not good move, Canada and many other countries with universal health benefit has poor doctor, nurse, others, also more wait time, you would wait for surgery until 6 month, even 1-3 years, depends on situation and long wait at doctor visit as well, it will increase more taxes to fund on universal health benefit, it means taxes will take around 50% out of payroll for good paying job, or other methods that contain so higher tax, depends on how could work out.

I'm not support universal health benefit, that it, very longer story about happens in other countries, I'm favor for companies to offers cheaper insurance and reduce of medical cost, even doctors in US don't accept cheap labor.

Agree, I can't trust the governments to control people's budget without knowing what they really need.

I am not support anything that make us paying for nothing. We should spend a reasonable budget, not saving the money in the insurance and give it to the government when we die. I personally know some of people who have a car insurance, and never had the accident, but doesn't get the money back from the insurance when they stop driving the car.
 
Thanks to one of my friend, Obama support the universe health benefit so I guess I am out of him now. I am going for Bob Barr now, sorry to the Obama supporters.

Just don't bitch when President Obama pisses you off. :giggle::lol::laugh2:

A vote for third party candidates steals away votes from the main candidates. I hope Barr takes 5-7% of would-be McCain voters. Think of it as revenge for the Democrats from all the votes Ralph Nader has stolen.

And again, our party system isn't set up well for 3rd parties. We need to reform the system in order to better include those.
 
And again, our party system isn't set up well for 3rd parties. We need to reform the system in order to better include those.


You speak of a cold hard truth. This 2 parties dominating America is ridiculous. GIVE SOMEBODY A FRIGGIN' CHANCE!
 
one thing does irk me badly. His "Ten Points Plan" to change the 2nd Amendment.

1. Ban use of firearms for home defense
2. Pass Federal laws eliminating your Right-to-Carry
3. Ban the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns
4. Close down 90% of the gun shops in America
5. Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
6. Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500%
7. Restore voting rights for 5 million criminals including those who have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime
8. Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms
9. Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm
10. Appoint judges to the U.S. Supreme Court and Federal judiciary who share his views on the 2nd Amendment

:Ohno: Is this facism?

Got a link? Sounds like bullshit to me without a link.
 
Here's what the supposed author of the Reagan Doctrine had to say about Obama:

----- Original Message -----

Subject: Dr. Jack Wheeler Regarding Obama

Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler

The O-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit. No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works, no balls, nothing but abstract empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.

He has no real identity. He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya . Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.

What he isn't, not a genetic drop of, is 'African-American,' the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn't a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.

Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.

It's something Hillary doesn't understand - how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.

Thus Obama has become the white liberals' Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior is all the more cause for liberals to worship him: Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd.

Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.

His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.

How come you people haven't gone blind yet from reading this bullshit?
 
Got a link? Sounds like bullshit to me without a link.

I mentioned it already in my previous post.

oh btw - that info's from compiled by NRA along with Kleck & Gertz study, civil rights lawyers, Dr. Kellermann, and bunch others. Even it's in Obama's speech.

You should be able to search it for yourself. Takes you only 5 sec to do it.

Barack Obama`s 10 Point Plan to "Change" The Second Amendment
Obama's Second-Amendment Dance
Obama's dance on gun rights is part of his evolution from the radical young Illinois state legislator he once was. He was recorded in a 1996 questionnaire as advocating a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns (a position he has since disavowed). He was on the board of the Chicago-based Joyce Foundation, which takes an aggressive gun control position, and in 2000 considered becoming its full-time president. In 2006, he voted with an 84 to 16 majority (and against Clinton) to prohibit confiscation of firearms during an emergency, but that is his only pro-gun vote in Springfield or Washington. The National Rifle Association grades his voting record (and Clinton's) an "F."
 
Unless Obama has it listed on his page under his positions, it's not true.

And keep in mind, he could have modified his position from the time that book was written, up until now.

Regardless, why are people so up in arms over gun rights? Shouldn't we be worried more about the bigger picture, such as the economy and wars in Iraq/Afghanistan?

Yet more proof that Americans can have a one-track mind when it comes to the issues.
 
Just don't bitch when President Obama pisses you off. :giggle::lol::laugh2:

:lol: Well I am sorry, I am a vote picker ;)

A vote for third party candidates steals away votes from the main candidates. I hope Barr takes 5-7% of would-be McCain voters. Think of it as revenge for the Democrats from all the votes Ralph Nader has stolen.

Yupp that would be good if Barr take 5-7% votes, then the Libertarian party could get its good reputation for next 4 years to vote.

And again, our party system isn't set up well for 3rd parties. We need to reform the system in order to better include those.

I am first time voter so I am not really familiar with the federal level voting yet.

I don't understand. Most liberals I know support Universal Healthcare.

Unless you are a DINO (Democrat In Name Only).

There are different kinds of liberal parties, some of them don't support big government system like Liebling's links she provided in her thread "Conservative vs Liberals". For example, Free State Project which runs by a liberal party and they want smaller government system, also want to remove the education requirements which mean the children doesn't have to go to school unless their parents choose them to go.

The Libertarian party, where Bob Barr are at, (unlikely the Liberal party) doesn't support the universe health benefit and support smaller government system.
 
The Free State Project is a Libertarian project. They are looking to go to a state and completely take over the politics in that state to line up with their political views.

Liberal and Libertarian are NOT the same thing. Do some research.
 
The Free State Project is a Libertarian project. They are looking to go to a state and completely take over the politics in that state to line up with their political views.

Liberal and Libertarian are NOT the same thing. Do some research.

When did I said that the Libertarian and Liberal are the same?
 
Unless Obama has it listed on his page under his positions, it's not true.

And keep in mind, he could have modified his position from the time that book was written, up until now.

Regardless, why are people so up in arms over gun rights? Shouldn't we be worried more about the bigger picture, such as the economy and wars in Iraq/Afghanistan?

Yet more proof that Americans can have a one-track mind when it comes to the issues.

I have repeatedly told you that it's not entirely about the gun rights. Looks like you just proved your own proof as an example of an American having one-track mind. I repeatedly told you that if it's how he thinks about gun rights, he would think of same for other rights such as Freedom of Speech or any other free rights we have. This shows he believes we are not capable of personal responsibility and he believes the government should be regulating it. Try to remember this. I believe I've restated this at least 5x. I'm not looking forward to 6x.
 
When did I said that the Libertarian and Liberal are the same?

There are different kinds of liberal parties, some of them don't support big government system like Liebling's links she provided in her thread "Conservative vs Liberals". For example, Free State Project which runs by a liberal party and they want smaller government system, also want to remove the education requirements which mean the children doesn't have to go to school unless their parents choose them to go.

Read the bolded, italic part.
 
Some things of list that I don't like Obama's ideas... To me, it's either too or a little risky plans for future if Obama is a president. Of course, I'd aware of his plans may change... Who knows?

- Some of his plans...
- Anti-Unborn Child & Other one...

- Education (That's sound so nice, too bad, I don't trust this for some reasons)

- Foreign Policy (sound pretty good but, still I don't trust some parts of his idea... Seems a bit of ticky)

- Disabilities (Sound good plans but do you think he would do it? :dunno:)

- Immigration

- Others reasons that I disagreed

EDIT: Yeah, Obama do have some political experiences, I'd aware of that. Unfortunately I have to agree with Jiro (Pacman I think?) that his experience of skills is not good enough. I already read some posts here and other threads.

That's why I decide to not vote Obama. As for McCain, I am STILL unsure about that, yet. I consider to try research some other people who interest to be president...
 
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Read the bolded, italic part.

Ohh sorry if my English was too strong for you, but I didn't capitalize the "L" so it's still another liberal party. Libertarian is a liberal, but different kind of liberal party.
 
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