Obama dumps Netanyahu

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souggy said:
Chicken and the egg question.

if Israelis haven't permitted illegal settlement of the Gaza and the West Banks, and treat the Palestineans without pidgeon-holing them into ghettos, then there wouldn't be terrorists in the first place.

Like people have stated, two wrongs do not make a right.
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Agree. It's a never ending chicken and egg story. Reminds me of the ireland conflict.
 
flip said:
We are talking history. War propaganda is ok, but history is not?
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:lol:

I have been around enough religious people to know how they assert their religious opinions without referring to the Bible once... and how they do it, which was what i trying to illustrate.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Hard for you to believe he might have a little decency in him, eh? Don't let your rage over paying a few more bucks in taxes keep you from seeing the good in this action. Standing up to coward bullies like Israel is far more important to humanity, as a species, than any current domestic issue.
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Very, very well said. Unfortunately, we have a few that can't see past their own nose, and at the same time, fail to see that all the societal ills they constantly complain about are the result of just that.:roll:
 
TXgolfer said:
My taxes are not going up....because I don't pay taxes. No income.

I see Israel differently than you do. But regardless of that, this is no way for a host to treat a world leader. Getting tough with action is one thing......"Fine, I am not going to eat dinner with you" is childish and petty, not tough.

What's next????? Is Obama going to take his ball and go home?
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No it isn't. It is called being true to one's principles. Obama's actions and words are actually congruent...something you would have no experience with.:roll:
 
TXgolfer said:
Off topic....But the invasion of Iraq was justified....WMD or not. Was it necessary :dunno:
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Banjo said:
Americans were led to believe that Iraq was a threat to the USA. They weren't there to liberate the people of Iraq. If that was the case, then why aren't they liberating countries like North Korea, Sudan (Darfur) and more?

Why Iraq?

A war cannot be justified if lies and faulty information were used to draw support in the first place.
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See this timeline of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq;
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/17673-complete-timeline-2003-invasion-iraq.html
 
Boult said:
See this timeline of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq;
http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/17673-complete-timeline-2003-invasion-iraq.html
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Thanks for the link, Boult. Right from the start, I was against the "war" and made hundreds of posts about it, only to be judged as unpatriotic and unamerican in the end, lol. It is rather depressing to see so many people still supporting it, eh? Ah well.
Lest anyone thinks the IDF do not use human shields, see
B'Tselem - Human Shields - Timeline of events
 
TXgolfer said:
My taxes are not going up....because I don't pay taxes. No income.
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If you hold a stock less than one year before selling it, the IRS classifies the sale as a short-term capital gain and taxes the profit as ordinary income. This means you could pay 25% or much higher of your profit in taxes.
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Didn't you say you recently invested in some stocks and made quite a pretty penny off it? The IRS consider investing on stocks a form of income.

Just saying.
 
Someone is talking out of both sides of their mouth.:roll:
 
TXgolfer said:
I am VERY familiar with this. :)

I am also familiar with the many ways around it. Legal ways. Thx for the concern though.

Oh and the gain wasn't THAT big (pretty penny) but it was ok.
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Have you heard of capital gains and losses? If not, you may want to read up on them because they might have an impact on your tax return. The IRS wants you to know these ten facts about gains and losses and how they could affect your tax situation.

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Are you sure you aren't defrauding the government?

An income is an income, you can't really get around that one.
 
Banjo said:
Have you heard of capital gains and losses? If not, you may want to read up on them because they might have an impact on your tax return. The IRS wants you to know these ten facts about gains and losses and how they could affect your tax situation.



10 Facts About Capital Gains and Losses

Are you sure you aren't defrauding the government?

An income is an income, you can't really get around that one.
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if your money's in 401k or similar... it's tax free.
 
Jiro said:
if your money's in 401k or similar... it's tax free.
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I believe he mentioned buying stocks recently.

Besides, the 401K isn't tax-free once you start withdrawing. Especially during your retirement.
 
souggy said:
So you're denying the treatment of Arabs as second-class WITHIN Israel's border?

Ghettos such as Lodz are not even remotely close to the Bank or the Strip, yet Israeli Arabs still have resentments toward Israeli Jews because they are forced to live in ghettos, then those ghettos get torn down for 'illegal settlement' reasons. Every time you treat someone like a second-class citizen, the more likely they will sympathize with a terrorist organization.

Must I remind you that a vast majority of Irish-Americans supported the IRA because a lot of Irish felt like they were treated as second-class by the British? So why can't you see the Israeli Arabs' side of the story, if not the Palestinian Arabs?

So if you can't see the chicken and the egg analogy here, you're dumb as a brick.
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Ok, does Israel have an embassy in any Arab country? Are they treated like second class citizens, or dogs, in those countries?
 
souggy said:
You know what I find funny... right in his source...



... in response to Egypt's militarization of the Sinai.

Unprovoked, out of nowhere, my ass.
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Pre-emptive attack. What about 1947 when the UN voted that Israel could have their land?

What happened next?

yes, unprovoked.
 
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