Obama Approval hits 50%...again....teeters

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The U.S. is becoming more socialist. We've always had a mix of capitalism and socialism since the days of FDR, but we can see where socialism has taken the U.S. with greater and greater debts than ever. It's really simple. With a liberal socialistic agenda in the WH we saw debt quickly rise to an additional $1.4 trillion dollars over budget in their attempt to embrace socialism and not more of capitalism. And people wonder why the polls have been tanking down to now at 47% for Obama.
 
United States has socialist elements since Thomas Jefferson proposed public schoolings. A lot of conservatives and libertarians like to call him a socialist... yet he never considered himself as one.

On the spectrum... Canada is considered as moderately capitalistic compared to... say... Sweden or the former USSR.
 
souggy said:
Really, the only country that fit your idea of "non-socialist" in its pure essence would be in Somalia.
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There is no govt in Somalia. They've been in disarray for so long. So, it's pointless to describe them as "non-socialist" because there is no "them" in that country.
 
kokonut said:
There is no govt in Somalia. They've been in disarray for so long. So, it's pointless to describe them as "non-socialist" because there is no "them" in that country.
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Still considered as a country.

And yes, it would be "non-socialist" because anarchy is still a political model.
 
souggy said:
United States has socialist elements since Thomas Jefferson proposed public schoolings. A lot of conservatives and libertarians like to call him a socialist... yet he never considered himself as one.

On the spectrum... Canada is considered as moderately capitalistic compared to... say... Sweden or the former USSR.
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It was FDR who ramped up the socialistic ideals in the New Deal and the introduction of Social Security.

Canada is more socialistic than the U.S. That cannot be denied.
 
kokonut said:
The U.S. is becoming more socialist. We've always had a mix of capitalism and socialism since the days of FDR, but we can see where socialism has taken the U.S. with greater and greater debts than ever. It's really simple. With a liberal socialistic agenda in the WH we saw debt quickly rise to an additional $1.4 trillion dollars over budget in their attempt to embrace socialism and not more of capitalism. And people wonder why the polls have been tanking down to now at 47% for Obama.
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so why didn't the Republican Presidents after FDR revert this country back to the way you like?
 
kokonut said:
It was FDR who ramped up the socialistic ideals in the New Deal and the introduction of Social Security.

Canada is more socialistic than the U.S. That cannot be denied.
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"Attack the argument" seems to be a failed logic here on someone's part.

You stated Canada is a socialist country, which it is not. I am not debunking socialistic tendency, but rather debunking the "socialist country" statement.

Get it in your head.
 
souggy said:
Still considered as a country.

And yes, it would be "non-socialist" because anarchy is still a political model.
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There is NO political model since there is no cohesion of consolidated powers to form a more functional and stable govt. It's a country with no identity.
 
souggy said:
"Attack the argument" seems to be a failed logic here on someone's part.

You stated Canada is a socialist country, which it is not. I am not debunking socialistic tendency, but rather debunking the "socialist country" statement.

Get it in your head.
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Where am I making personal attacks? I am talking about Canada's govt type. They're more socialistic than capitalistic.
 
kokonut said:
There is NO political model since there is no cohesion of consolidated powers to form a more functional and stable govt. It's a country with no identity.
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Anarchy is a political model... one without a state government. There isn't suppose to be a stable government in an anarchic country.

I have to admit, it's an interesting case example because no form of anarchy has lasted more than a few years-- yet Somalia was able to keep it going for more than a decade, and is starting to show signs of stability without any government involvement.
 
kokonut said:
There is NO political model since there is no cohesion of consolidated powers to form a more functional and stable govt. It's a country with no identity.
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lol there's no argument in here anyway. you already lost. should have taken up an offer to grad school long time ago. it would do you a great deal of service.
 
kokonut said:
Where am I making personal attacks? I am talking about Canada's govt type. They're more socialistic than capitalistic.
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Did you lived in Canada? If no so why does you made assume to label Canada as socialist country.

That's very ignorant comment.
 
foxrac, can the people of Canada freely buy their own private health insurance? No. It's limited as well as for privatized care unless they go to the U.S.


"What it means is that people who have no money, who are chronically ill, disabled, who require medical attention frequently, are going to suffer dramatically," said Leslie Dickout of the B.C. Health Coalition, which is involved in the lawsuit to determine whether the Canadian Constitution guarantees citizens the right to choose their own care.

"There's so much money to be made by the insurance industry," she said. "If this [legal] case succeeds, what we would have is a system of U.S.-style healthcare -- along with a public system that is decimated."
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In Canada, a move toward a private healthcare option - Los Angeles Times

Welcome to the effects of socialism.
 
Doesn't affect me. I don't have a BC Healthcare card. I got private insurance.

This however:

"I don't have insurance. We're not allowed to have private health insurance in Canada," Woodkey said. "It's not going to be easy to come up with the money. But I'm happy to say the pain is almost all gone."
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is false. My family can testify to that. And so can a few religious orders.

Beside, Canada is re-vamping its public healthcare to make it more efficient.

Beside, the group of people you targeted in the article is more screwed in the States because they can't AFFORD the insurances they NEED, whileas here... it depends on how long the waiting line is.
 
souggy said:
Anarchy is a political model... one without a state government. There isn't suppose to be a stable government in an anarchic country.

I have to admit, it's an interesting case example because no form of anarchy has lasted more than a few years-- yet Somalia was able to keep it going for more than a decade, and is starting to show signs of stability without any government involvement.
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mmm I'll have to check out Somalia.
 
oooo I see koko's trying to rouse up some trouble with Canucks. tsk tsk... bad idea! Canadian tree-logging business makes Strongman competition look like a gym warm-up.
 
souggy said:
It's interesting though how the police, roads and schools are paid for without government involvement. Also interesting how they handle other things... as well.
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Here's what I dug up on this country:

Source is infoplease.com
Between Jan. 1991 and Aug. 2000, Somalia had no working government. A fragile parliamentary government was formed in 2000, but it expired in 2003 without establishing control of the country. In 2004, a new transitional parliament was instituted and elected a president.
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