not that its a bad thing but...

CSign said:
No one gave a direct answer to my question, so I'll pose it one more time.

It's inappropriate for a hearing person to correct others spelling and grammar.

Is it appropriate or inappropriate for a deaf person to correct a hearing persons spelling or grammar?
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I'll answer: It is appropriate for both to correct. However, seeing we are in a culturally sensitive forum, it is best to be left alone.
 
ash345 said:
I didn't know they were different... I had to look them up to know the difference. I agree, best not to be taught the 'wrong' word... saw bumper sticker saying something about "annunciation" school the other day... and mind thought annunciate was the same as enunciate... and my mind jumped to AVT or speech therapy... thinking it new fancy term for it or something... guess i'm wrong now...
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I was raised in a Catholic household and I have the vaguest recollection of the Annunciation being a Catholic Church event/concept.....
 
CSign said:
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Exactly- it's a big part of you, but it doesn't define your entire existence.
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She just told you that it is a large part of what defines her. Who are you to tell her it isn't?

Talk about paternalistic. GAWD, woman!
 
CSign said:
No one gave a direct answer to my question, so I'll pose it one more time.

It's inappropriate for a hearing person to correct others spelling and grammar.

Is it appropriate or inappropriate for a deaf person to correct a hearing persons spelling or grammar?
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It is completely innappropriate for a hearing person to correct a Deaf person's idea of what defines them and what doesn't.

Tell you what, I'm hearing, and I'm going to correct you right here:

It is "person's". You need to use the possesive form.

It is "other's". You need to use the possessive form.

Now, that is one hearing person to another. Take offense if you will.
 
jillio said:
She just told you that it is a large part of what defines her. Who are you to tell her it isn't?

Talk about paternalistic. GAWD, woman!
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Why are you misinterpreting what I wrote?

Read again.
 
CSign said:
Why are you misinterpreting what I wrote?

Read again.
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I did read it. You should have just accepted what she said. She was saying that her deafness does define her as being a big part of who she is. You had to jump and correct, or try to clarify, or whatever it was you were trying to do when you should not have even responded to the post to begin with. She made a statement about her identity and her deafness. She, nor anyone here, needs you to correct it. Or to clarify. Just accept it. Period.

The fact that you even feel the need to comment on what Deaf posters say about the way they define themselves, instead of supporting and accepting it is a sign of the paternalism you treat deaf people with on a daily basis. As long as you continue to argue with deaf people about their culture and their experience and their culture you will be an outsider.
 
shel90 said:
So, yea, my Deaf identity is a big part of who I am now.
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This was how I came to that conclusion. You said that it's "a big part of who I am" not, "being Deaf defines who I am". There is a difference. I wholly understand that you are Deaf and that you have your own unique experiences and interactions on a day-to-day basis that are a direct result of being Deaf. I'm not disputing that, and I view that as a positive thing.

I'm making statements based on what you wrote. I'm sure that if someone asked you to describe yourself; you wouldn't just say,"I'm Deaf.". There is much more to you and majority of people than one single aspect of their being.

If I was wrong and that being Deaf does define who you are, I apologize as I misunderstood your intent. Sometimes that can be a challenge when you're communicating solely through text.
 
It's a big part, not the only part. I'm a woman, it defines who I am. Is that all I am? No. Would my life change drastically if I were no longer a woman, and would I feel lost? Completely. I believe the same goes for deaf.
 
mbrek said:
It's a big part, not the only part. I'm a woman, it defines who I am. Is that all I am? No. Would my life change drastically if I were no longer a woman, and would I feel lost? Completely. I believe the same goes for deaf.
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I understand that... :P
 
CSign said:
This was how I came to that conclusion. You said that it's "a big part of who I am" not, "being Deaf defines who I am". There is a difference. I wholly understand that you are Deaf and that you have your own unique experiences and interactions on a day-to-day basis that are a direct result of being Deaf. I'm not disputing that, and I view that as a positive thing.

I'm making statements based on what you wrote. I'm sure that if someone asked you to describe yourself; you wouldn't just say,"I'm Deaf.". There is much more to you and majority of people than one single aspect of their being.

If I was wrong and that being Deaf does define who you are, I apologize as I misunderstood your intent. Sometimes that can be a challenge when you're communicating solely through text.
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Sometimes that can be a challange when you refuse to take the perpsective of the other person.:cool2:

And in attempting to explain, you are still coming at it from your perspective and making it worse.

Think about it: hearing defines who you are through and through. You just never have to think about it and accept it without question because you a part of the dominant society in that regard. But trust me, through all you say and do, hearing defines it. So why shouldn't deafness define another in those same circumstances.
 
mbrek said:
It's a big part, not the only part. I'm a woman, it defines who I am. Is that all I am? No. Would my life change drastically if I were no longer a woman, and would I feel lost? Completely. I believe the same goes for deaf.
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The only people that question whether deafness defines the person are hearing people who accept their dominant status without question and refuse to see the ways in which hearing defines them.
 
jillio said:
The only people that question whether deafness defines the person are hearing people who accept their dominant status without question and refuse to see the ways in which hearing defines them.
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I agree... just like people who are Caucasian don't think about how being white actually does define at least a part of who they are. Part of having that privilege means that you don't have to think about it... that you don't have to wonder about your accessibility... so you do not think the same way as lets say... a black person... because we do live in a white world, we do live in a hearing world... we do live in a mans world... and those who are in the dominant position... they don't have to think about these things, and sometimes... they refuse to see the unearned privilege they are given... just because of something they can't change about themselves.

being Deaf is a huge part of who I am, and so many people that I know... don't know me as the Deaf person I have become... but they still know me as the little broken hearie who speaks and asks what all the time... as someone they look down upon... because obviously i'm not as smart as them... and... I'm choosing not to associate with those people anymore... because they don't know who I am anymore... they don't know the Deaf me...
 
Being an Aspie defines who I am. Sure, it's not every little thing about me, but without it, I wouldn't be even close to the same person, therefore it defines who I am.
 
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purplewowies said:
Being an Aspie defines who I am. Sure, it's not every little thing about me, but without it, I wouldn't be even close the same person, therefore it defines who I am.
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exactly... and those of us who aren't aspies (myself included) prob haven't ever thought about how we are in the majority group there... and how we have unearned privileges because of it. great point!
 
Hearing is so basic. It's not like the color of your skin. Your skin works fine in any color, with a few exceptions. Hearing is a basic sense. Could you imagine not being able to feel something? If you couldn't feel, think about how that would change you. People with neuropathy experience this in a limited way. Normally a person is not consciously aware of their ability to feel. Suddenly, parts of your body cannot feel and it's a big deal. A person's limbs aren't working right. It changes how a person functions. Those limitations must be integrated into the self. The same with hearing. How can being deaf/hoh NOT define a person? Of course, this assumes that a mentally healthy individual has a strong integrated sense of self. Often, someone does not have an proper integration of self and that's when adjustment problems exist. In an extreme case, it's borderline territory.
 
I don't understand why the question was even asked or stated. Why should it have been decided for us what defines us or doesn't, and then challenged about it after. * smh *
 
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