muslims butt hurt by drawings

[Jiro]

You can by doing this if you want to. You're Patriotic, and ride a motorcycle and want to honor the Fallen. I think you should check this out (that is if you haven't already).

Patriot Guard Riders of New York

You do not even have to have a motorcycle to be a part of it.

I just did it last Sunday - Freedom Run - to honor 9/11 victims and fallen soldiers (see my motorcycle thread).

If you are refering to the protesting. I am speaking of the Westboro Baptist protestors. The Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas organizes anti-American protests at the funerals of soldiers killed in action.

You can imagine the grief the families are going through and made worse by the protestors, no respect at all to the families and friends of the fallen, nor to the Fallen Soldier being put to rest.

so there are a few rotten eggs who spit on fallen soldiers... but there are millions of supportive Americans across the nation who would like to watch with tear to witness our heroic fallen ones being carried out of the plane and into the hearse.

We televised our late Presidents' funeral processions but not our fallen soldiers???

 

[DGirl101]

I know Jiro....I wish the same thing.

I think...it may have to do with privacy. Right now the Unit in my town is being made ready to be deported.

They cannot tell us where in Afganistan they are going and when. (Thats the part that scares me the most, the where in Afganistan.)

For every soldier that falls there is another that walks besides, rides besides, sleeps besides, eats besides, flies besides the casket that holds the remains. That living soldier is in charge of carrying the packet holding the personal effects of the fallen,and protecting the body of the fallen, and if I recall correctly the packet is never opened until the soldier is prepared for the funeral itself (placing medals and so on onto the uniform), and family members are given the rest, and the US Flag is lain upon it.

Along the way of the journey, those who see the casket and the soldier standing besides it. They do stop and pay respects and some do cry. Hell I do when I think of it.

 

[Jiro]

I know Jiro....I wish the same thing.

I think...it may have to do with privacy. Right now the Unit in my town is being made ready to be deported.

They cannot tell us where in Afganistan they are going and when. (Thats the part that scares me the most, the where in Afganistan.)

For every soldier that falls there is another that walks besides, rides besides, sleeps besides, eats besides, flies besides the casket that holds the remains. That living soldier is in charge of carrying the packet holding the personal effects of the fallen,and protecting the body of the fallen, and if I recall correctly the packet is never opened until the soldier is prepared for the funeral itself (placing medals and so on onto the uniform), and family members are given the rest, and the US Flag is lain upon it.

Along the way of the journey, those who see the casket and the soldier standing besides it. They do stop and pay respects and some do cry. Hell I do when I think of it.

Well I don't believe it has something to do with privacy. Not one but hundreds... thousands of flag-draped coffins coming out of plane at Dover Air Force base do certainly looks bad for President - politically.

I'm glad that President Obama has lifted the ban. Now we Americans can watch and weep together. What better way than this to remind Americans about the cost of protecting our freedom and country?

so I ask again (not for you) - it's ok to ban the media coverage on fallen soldiers out of respect but it's ok to show an incredibly offensive depiction of Muhammad in a disrespectful way? hmm....

 

[TXgolfer]

respect? oh? it's ok to not show coverage on fallen soldiers out of respect but it's ok to show offensive depiction of Mohammad..... hmm....

Those brave men died for our country

Mohammad is someone that some people chose to worship.

We owe those soldiers and their families everything.

We, as Americans owe Mohammad nothing.

I usually respect your opinions but with your post that I quoted you just made the dumbest comparison in the history of AD.

 

[kokonut]

Those brave men died for our country

Mohammad is someone that some people chose to worship.

We owe those soldiers and their families everything.

We, as Americans owe Mohammad nothing.

I usually respect your opinions but with your post that I quoted you just made the dumbest comparison in the history of AD.

And the crowd goes wild...!

*RAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!*

God bless our soldiers. We owe them our freedom. Freedom isn't free.

 

[kokonut]

Here's another example of psychological fear being used to get their way. The "iSlam Muhammad" for the iPhone app contained, apparently so, images of Momo with outlines of disturbing passages seen in the Koran was yanked off the shelf, so to speak. It’s also very similar to "BibleThumper," a Christian-bashing app that is still in the App Store.

Found Footage: Apple pulls iSlam Muhammad app

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/biblethumper/id334558214?mt=8

Another little victory for them I suppose.

 

[DGirl101]

Those brave men died for our country

Mohammad is someone that some people chose to worship.

We owe those soldiers and their families everything.

We, as Americans owe Mohammad nothing.

I usually respect your opinions but with your post that I quoted you just made the dumbest comparison in the history of AD.

Actually, they worship Allah. Muhammad is a prophet who is given respect and consideration by Muslims because he was sent to the world by Allah as a 'Messenger of Mercy'. If they say Muhammad, they always say after it 'Peace be Upon Him' in humble respect.



One thing to keep in mind is that Muslims understand that, although Christians and Jews are close to Muslims in faith, they are instructed not to use Christians and Jews as 'confessors' or as an 'intimate ally', or to “one to whom they give their pledge of allegiance” in place of Allah or His messenger, Muhammad.

It is just those few who get exreme in their faith that makes it look bad for others. Like the Christians in the 'Salem Witch Trials'.

 

[TXgolfer]

Actually, they worship Allah. Muhammad is a prophet who is given respect and consideration by Muslims because he was sent to the world by Allah as a 'Messenger of Mercy'. If they say Muhammad, they always say after it 'Peace be Upon Him' in humble respect.



One thing to keep in mind is that Muslims understand that, although Christians and Jews are close to Muslims in faith, they are instructed not to use Christians and Jews as 'confessors' or as an 'intimate ally', or to “one to whom they give their pledge of allegiance” in place of Allah or His messenger, Muhammad.

It is just those few who get exreme in their faith that makes it look bad for others. Like the Christians in the 'Salem Witch Trials'.

Thank you for ignoring the point in favor of semantics. However it is still correct that some (the word I used) choose to worship Mo be it proper or not.

I have gotten past the 100 level of world religions myself. Not something I care to waste alot of time on here at AD. My post had nothing to do with extremism of any religion but rather, whether it is reasonable to equate the amount of respect we as Americans owe our fallen troops to the respect Americans owe to a religious figure. I assert that it is not.

 

[CJB]

Those brave men died for our country

Mohammad is someone that some people chose to worship.

We owe those soldiers and their families everything.

We, as Americans owe Mohammad nothing.

I usually respect your opinions but with your post that I quoted you just made the dumbest comparison in the history of AD.

On the flip side, many people think war is stupid and the product of irrational human emotion. Respecting and worshipping soldiers is a choice too. Respecting or worshipping anyone is a choice. Just because people choose to worship something or someone while others don't doesn't make it any less real for those who do.

 

[TXgolfer]

Respecting and worshipping soldiers is a choice too. .

Sorry, that just sounds unAmerican to me. You don't have to like the war. But those men and women in the military put their life on the line so that we could have the freedom to worship anyone or anything we wish. Many of them didn't want to go to war either. But they fought because they gave an oath to do so. And they kept their oath and sacrificed time with loved ones. Some sacrificed much much more. Anyone that can't/doesn't respect the people who made these sacrifices should have their ass kicked out of this country. Unfortunately we can't do that......because those brave men and women also fought for a person's right to disrespect them.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

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Except... How are wars such as Vietnam, the Balkans, Iraq and so on are defending Americans' freedom?

At least Canadians don't have a distorted view of their own freedom when it come to fighting for other nations' freedom.

 

[TXgolfer]

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Except... How are wars such as Vietnam, the Balkans, Iraq and so on are defending Americans' freedom?

At least Canadians don't have a distorted view of their own freedom when it come to fighting for other nations' freedom.

Again....maybe the decisions are bad. But the troops don't make those decisions.

We could discuss for 2000 posts whether or not those conflicts protect our freedom. But nothing changes the fact that these men and women are told that these conflicts are necessary to protect freedom and they go off to do their job.

 

[CJB]

Sorry, that just sounds unAmerican to me. You don't have to like the war. But those men and women in the military put their life on the line so that we could have the freedom to worship anyone or anything we wish. Many of them didn't want to go to war either. But they fought because they gave an oath to do so. And they kept their oath and sacrificed time with loved ones. Some sacrificed much much more. Anyone that can't/doesn't respect the people who made these sacrifices should have their ass kicked out of this country. Unfortunately we can't do that......because those brave men and women also fought for a person's right to disrespect them.

Doesn't change the fact you are choosing to respect them in the same way people choose to worship Muhammad. I'm not trying to convince anyone here to believe anything in particular. I'm merely pointing out the fact that all beliefs are a choice, and as strongly as you believe soldiers should be respected, someone else believes Muhammad shouldn't be depicted.

 

[TXgolfer]

Doesn't change the fact you are choosing to respect them in the same way people choose to worship Muhammad. I'm not trying to convince anyone here to believe anything in particular. I'm merely pointing out the fact that all beliefs are a choice, and as strongly as you believe soldiers should be respected, someone else believes Muhammad shouldn't be depicted.

I see. Be ungreatful for people risking their lives for you is a cultural thing.....interesting.

 

[Jiro]

Those brave men died for our country

Mohammad is someone that some people chose to worship.

We owe those soldiers and their families everything.

We, as Americans owe Mohammad nothing.

I usually respect your opinions but with your post that I quoted you just made the dumbest comparison in the history of AD.

We, as American, owe Mohammad nothing? So that means we, as American, owe Jesus Christ, Virgin Mary, God, etc. nothing either? I guess we better rewrite our entire pledge and stuff to remove the word "God" from the language. I guess we should remove Chaplains from military. I guess our soldiers should not be allowed to pray. There are thousands of fine men and women serving proudly in our armed force who worship Mohammad.

If there's one thing I like about America - it's utmost respect. Unlike other countries - we respect a lot of thing. Disregarding respect in favor of blind patriotism? no thank you. If that is how America should be like, I will gladly renounce my American citizenship.

 

[CJB]

I see. Be ungreatful for people risking their lives for you is a cultural thing.....interesting.

Point completely missed. Forget about whether the soldiers should or shouldn't be respected for now. Anyone has the choice and the right to believe what they believe in, no matter what it is. But even though we don't all believe the same thing, that doesn't mean we can only acknowledge those who share our beliefs and dismiss those who don't. You might respect soldiers and someone else might respect the Koranic law that forbids depicting Muhammad. Both beliefs are equally valid. So why should someone's distaste for depicting Muhammad be treated any differently for someone's distaste for filming soldiers' funerals? Maybe you don't feel you owe a thing to Muhammad but there are people who do feel that way and their beliefs about Muhammad should be respected just as yours about American soldiers are.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

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Qu'ranic laws?

There's nothing in the Qu'ran that prohibits it. It's a recorded oral tradition among Sunnis.

Sh'ia and liberal Muslims do draw him.

 

[TXgolfer]

We, as American, owe Mohammad nothing? So that means we, as American, owe Jesus Christ, Virgin Mary, God, etc. nothing either? I guess we better rewrite our entire pledge and stuff to remove the word "God" from the language. I guess we should remove Chaplains from military. I guess our soldiers should not be allowed to pray. There are thousands of fine men and women serving proudly in our armed force who worship Mohammad.

If there's one thing I like about America - it's utmost respect. Unlike other countries - we respect a lot of thing. Disregarding respect in favor of blind patriotism? no thank you. If this is how America is, I will gladly renounce my American citizenship.

Nice ramble...... But the point is as a nation we owe respect to our troops. They fight for all of us. Not all of the nation follows Mohammad.....do we owe respect, as a nation, to Mohammed or do we honor freedom of speech and allow those that want to mock Mohammad do so. and frankly don't care. But I do know any respect we owe Mohammad as a nation is in no way equal to what we owe the troops. And that was the point.

 

[CJB]

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Qu'ranic laws?

There's nothing in the Qu'ran that prohibits it. It's a recorded oral tradition among Sunnis.

Sh'ia and liberal Muslims do draw him.

Oh. I was under the impression it was in the Koran. But even if it's not, there are people who do hold that belief.

 

[TXgolfer]

Point completely missed. Forget about whether the soldiers should or shouldn't be respected for now. Anyone has the choice and the right to believe what they believe in, no matter what it is. But even though we don't all believe the same thing, that doesn't mean we can only acknowledge those who share our beliefs and dismiss those who don't. You might respect soldiers and someone else might respect the Koranic law that forbids depicting Muhammad. Both beliefs are equally valid. So why should someone's distaste for depicting Muhammad be treated any differently for someone's distaste for filming soldiers' funerals? Maybe you don't feel you owe a thing to Muhammad but there are people who do feel that way and their beliefs about Muhammad should be respected just as yours about American soldiers are.

I missed nothing. I just disagree with a great deal of disgust. If not to honor the troops it could still be to respect families in mourning. Even the Qur'an teaches about proper mourning