Mom Makes Daughter Stand on Street Corner

[Maria]

It doesn't hurt to humiliate her ( daughter ) in public. I think it is good for her to learn. Bein' humiliate doesn't stay that very long, but I am sure it really impacted her enough to realize that her mother meant it. The mother was just HELPING the daughter to UNDERSTAND as to teach her. Sometimes, children need to FEEL somethin' that really impact them. There's the only way to do it after tryin' different methods.

The daughter won't die from it ( humiliate ). It don't kill her.

 

[diehardbiker]

See? That is why I said that you need to take step backwards!!!! This proves your making bad accusation. Howcome?

Did I ever said it was his own brother? The answer was NOPE! Both of boys were completely stranger to each other!!!

Be CAREFUL when making assumptions, becasue it is motherhood of FUNKUPS!!!

7 years old killed his own brother Derrick?... It sounds that he´s jealous of his brother? It look like that he has very low esteem and feel being worthless and began jealous of his brother who get a lot of attention from their parents?

I think it is enough for you to go off topic and go back to the orignal topic.

 

[diehardbiker]

Thats exactly true, and I think humilitation works best because it helps force you to think what you have done and see how others react toward to you than dealing with pain from spanking.

It doesn't hurt to humiliate her ( daughter ) in public. I think it is good for her to learn. Bein' humiliate doesn't stay that very long, but I am sure it really impacted her enough to realize that her mother meant it. The mother was just HELPING the daughter to UNDERSTAND as to teach her. Sometimes, children need to FEEL somethin' that really impact them. There's the only way to do it after tryin' different methods.

The daughter won't die from it ( humiliate ). It don't kill her.

 

[Maria]

Thats exactly true, and I think humilitation works best because it helps force you to think what you have done and see how others react toward to you than dealing with pain from spanking.

Very true. I agree.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It doesn't hurt to humiliate her ( daughter ) in public. I think it is good for her to learn. Bein' humiliate doesn't stay that very long, but I am sure it really impacted her enough to realize that her mother meant it. The mother was just HELPING the daughter to UNDERSTAND as to teach her. Sometimes, children need to FEEL somethin' that really impact them. There's the only way to do it after tryin' different methods.

The daughter won't die from it ( humiliate ). It don't kill her.

Huh? Do you think so? I don´t.

I dont agree with using that kind of shame and humilation on a child to try & get good behavior because I can´t see how it can be a positive thing.

Yes, it harm her health. Sure, it take her long time to forgive her mother but the problem is she will have no trust feeling toward her mother. How could she confide her feeling to her after what she did to her?
You forget quickly that a girl might lose her friends and schoolmates after learn from the newspaper... They may mock or bully her... It will lead her misbehavior more and more, also menal health, too. You know the kids could be cruel sometimes. How many of her classmates might have seen it & then continue to tease & ridicule her? ***goose pump***
Children suffer severe emotional or psychological maltreatment including terroristing, threats, humiliation, degradation & withdraw of affection & care, also mental health, too.
Is it okay to teach chlidren to being guilt, loss self-respect & shame? To me, public humiliation is not form of discipline..

I rather to use postive reinforcement on my children.




I would love to smack mother´s grin face.. Those picture make me with pain to know that a mother posing with proud smile because she claimed that she only doing what the best for her but daughter? Oh my dear...

 

[diehardbiker]

I disagree! I can predict that daughter WILL definetly thank her mother for her effort to straighten her out.

These school kids MIGHT mock or bully her, but that is the least problem because it will be temporary. It is ALOT better than having her life thrown out in trash because she did NOTHING in school, refused to work at all. Doing nothing and refuse to work WILL definetly lead to either drop out or being kicked out from high school. That is the WORST thing happen to kids because it will last lifetime! I rather kids deal couple years of mocking and bully than lifetime poverty!

Huh? Do you think so? I don´t.

I dont agree with using that kind of shame and humilation on a child to try & get good behavior because I can´t see how it can be a positive thing.

Yes, it harm her health. Sure, it take her long time to forgive her mother but the problem is she will have no trust feeling toward her mother. How could she confide her feeling to her after what she did to her?
You forget quickly that a girl might lose her friends and schoolmates after learn from the newspaper... They may mock or bully her... It will lead her misbehavior more and more, also menal health, too. You know the kids could be cruel sometimes. How many of her classmates might have seen it & then continue to tease & ridicule her? ***goose pump***
Children suffer severe emotional or psychological maltreatment including terroristing, threats, humiliation, degradation & withdraw of affection & care, also mental health, too.
Is it okay to teach chlidren to being guilt, loss self-respect & shame? To me, public humiliation is not form of discipline..

I rather to use postive reinforcement on my children.




I would love to smack mother´s grin face.. Those picture make me with pain to know that a mother posing with proud smile because she claimed that she only doing what the best for her but daughter? Oh my dear...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

See? That is why I said that you need to take step backwards!!!!

Well, this is a forum, I can feel free to discuss my own opinion. We all are allow to voice our opinions whatever we like to. I´m open mind and straightforward. I answer with my honest opinion because the creator ask for our opinions.

This proves your making bad accusation. Howcome?

huh? you say this yourself, not me.

Be CAREFUL when making assumptions, becasue it is motherhood of FUNKUPS!!!

huh? I´m pretty open mind and straightforward and can say what I think because it´s truth. I don´t beleive to play being "flattery". It´s ME. It´s impossible to deny where the children´s behavior comes from. I study and focus pschyoiscal issues and knows a lot about this because I´m interesting. I went many parental conferences, e.g.

It look like that you think every parents are 100% right and children are 100% wrong. Huh? You deny it or what? Impossible... where the children behavior come from? Of course from ME, YOU and EVERY PARENTS´s form of discipline.

Of course we (parents) have made our mistakes as children as well. We (parents) can´t be prefect parents but we try what we can. If I see something wrong with my children then I focus to find out what wrong with them first and then work out with my form of positive discipline. Of course I admit my mistake because it´s ME who expose them in form of discplinie... that´s how they learn from me. I need to find out why BECAUSE I want to help my children like every parents... FACE it if there´re something wrong with our children! It´s impossible to deny it.

BUT it´s DIFFERENT story if they become TEENAGERS because I know it´s not easy job for the parents to deal with teenagers thru peers at school...

Did I ever said it was his own brother? The answer was NOPE! Both of boys were completely stranger to each other!!!

It´s just thought of me because you say negative about Eric... I thought it´s brother because most of siblings kill each other out of jealous. Now you said that they are not brother. I need to focus the reason why he killed Derrick as you said that he´s not Eric´s brother. (It´s my hobby to focus anything to find out what the reason and why... Here I found the link. He suffered mental diease. This story can tell that he trust his grandfather more than his own parents. Why Grandfather, not parents? Interesting....

Eric´s grandfather is the one who notice something wrong with Eric´s behavior. Parents?

Eric Smith, 13, was convicted in the beating death of a 4 year-old boy. Four years prior to the murder a neighbor said Smith choked his cat to death with a garden hose clamp.

http://www.angelfire.com/ar/LRfuzz1/dvac.html

Eric killed his cat... and then 4 years old boy... Oh dear... It must be mental health, he has.

Why Did Eric Kill?http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/10/48hours/main660314.shtml

The jury heard that as a toddler, Smith threw temper tantrums and banged his head on the floor. He had speech problems, he was held back at school, and he was relentlessly bullied. When he asked for help with his anger, his adoptive father did not seem equipped to give it to him.

"He was really upset. He was crunching his fists and shaking and told me that 'Dad, I need help,'" said Ted Smith. "I said 'Hold it. When I got angry when I was your age, I just grabbed a bag in our barn and started beating on it until I was too tired to do anything else.'"

Smith knew full well that his actions were wrong because he admitted that he lured Derrick into the woods for the killing so no one could see.

Reflecting on his troubled childhood, Smith describes the intense pain he endured at the hands of bullies: "So after quite a few years of verbal abuse, and having been told that I’m nothing, I shut down my feelings. So I wouldn’t feel the emotional pain, which made me vulnerable and weak. But the damage was done."

Smith adds: "I began to believe that I was nothing and a nobody. And my outlook on life was dark. I felt that when I went to school, I was going to hell because that’s what it was for me."
Betzjitomir says Smith had no friends at school: "Nobody liked him."

At this point, Smith has come as close as he ever has to answering the question that has haunted so many people for so many years. Why did he do it? "However minor or major each abuse situation, it all adds up. Until it gets to the point where the individual cannot take anymore," says Smith.

"After a while, they may cope in a horrific way or take their emotional anger or rage out on someone who had done nothing to bring on such violence like Derrick. Not because they’re evil or satanic little kids. It’s because they want the abuse to stop. And it’s the only way they know how to."

But Tunney points out that Smith had given the parole board a more chilling explanation for the killing. When asked if killing Robie gave him a good feeling, Smith said, in a transcript of the interview, "At the moment, it did, yes." When asked why he did it, Smith said, "Because instead of me being hurt, I was hurting someone else."

Smith then talks more about what he believes drives children to kill – and suggests that he was abused at home: "Although each case is different, there is always the underlying fact that the kids who did, who do these unthinkable crimes, endure years of abuse. Whether at school, at home, or both. I had issues at home. But I’m not going to talk about that."

Because of the sexual nature of his crime, the question of whether Smith was abused was repeatedly raised at trial, but repeatedly denied. However, there was testimony that Smith's older sister, Stacy, was sexually abused by their stepfather.

Smith has made the case that he is uniquely qualified to counsel bullied children, and one day sees himself as a forensic psychologist, doing research on children who kill. "You may think I'm a threat to the well-being of society," says Smith. "And I can understand why you would feel that way. The fact is that I'm not. I'd be an asset to society."

They focus Eric´s background like what I did... I found out the reason why Eric do that.

Eric was being bullied by school... Dad neglect Eric´s cries for help... It shows neglection... No wonder why Eric trust Grandfather mostly. It doesn´t mention about his mother but step-dad... It was denied that he was abuse at home because Eric don´t want to talk about this.

I think it is enough for you to go off topic and go back to the orignal topic.

Who starts it? YOU !!! Who brought up the subject over Eric... I answered simple what I think of it... I thank you for brought the subject about Eric because it´s interesting to find out why he do that... I can tell thru video that he has a mental health. A daughter could be end like him someday... (I pray she won´t)

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I disagree! I can predict that daughter WILL definetly thank her mother for her effort to straighten her out.

These school kids MIGHT mock or bully her, but that is the least problem because it will be temporary. It is ALOT better than having her life thrown out in trash because she did NOTHING in school, refused to work at all. Doing nothing and refuse to work WILL definetly lead to either drop out or being kicked out from high school. That is the WORST thing happen to kids because it will last lifetime! I rather kids deal couple years of mocking and bully than lifetime poverty!

wow your post is the best proof that you don´t care how the children feel.

Don´t you forget that the bullied could lead children commite sucidee and look the example of Eric Smith "describes the intense pain he endured at the hands of bullies: "So after quite a few years of verbal abuse, and having been told that I’m nothing, I shut down my feelings. So I wouldn’t feel the emotional pain, which made me vulnerable and weak. But the damage was done."

I PRAY that a girl won´t end like Eric... I do not compare a girl with Eric but it could be because of bullies at school... A daughter could end to suffer mental health some day in the future. I PRAY everything will be okay for a daughter. I´m on her side as you on mother´s side.

I can predict that daughter WILL definetly thank her mother for her effort to straighten her out.

No, there´re no trust retainship between mother and daughter.
Mother needs education on how to properly discipline her daughter. This is a form of psychological abuse and it should not be tolerated. I would suggest mother who did this to her child should be investigated.

I ask you to be open mind when there´re debate forum. I you for your attention.

 

[diehardbiker]

My point is you jumped into the conclusion on whats going on. I did it on purpose not include that it was not their brother, and left some important information to see how you response.

So, I am trying to explain to you that you might NOT know the full story of whats going on between this mother and her daughter. This mother may have tried everything, including positive reinforcement and it fails. WHAT ELSE????

Tell you this, one of my friend regretted that he took advantage of positive reinforcement and let others do all the work so he don't have to learn anything. Now he has to work his ass off struggling to live because he don't have high school diploma, even worse he is deaf though. He wish that he had some sort of discipline so that he can act up for positive.

Nowdays, I have seen too many kids taking advantage of law that disallowed school to do anything if kids don't cooperate and became rebellous because they KNEW they can't be harm. Thats a BIG SHAME!!! This has to be stopped somehow!

I suggest you look at the movie called "Lean on me". You will see HOW kids responds when a person (Barney Clark) came in replacing principal and change from scum highschool to beautiful high school. Know what he had on his hand? A baseball BAT, and bullhorn! He had to do negative reinforcement to turn everything around. It is BASED ON TRUE STORY!!! He did indeed almost threw out a student from school rooftop! I don't believe he will, but he did threaten. That boy ended up have HUGE respect for Barney Clark! You will understand better after watching this movie.

Daughter would end up like Eric? I don't think so, because mother had done something, while Eric mom and school REFUSED to do anything because of legal issues.

Who starts it? YOU !!! Who brought up the subject over Eric... I answered simple what I think of it... I thank you for brought the subject about Eric because it´s interesting to find out why he do that... I can tell thru video that he has a mental health. A daughter could be end like him someday... (I pray she won´t)

 

[Maria]

I remember that movie "Lean on Me". It was realllly very GOOD story. Very touchin' !

Barney Clark was very brave man. He indeed gave good example for others to see. I dig it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So, I am trying to explain to you that you might NOT know the full story of whats going on between this mother and her daughter. This mother may have tried everything, including positive reinforcement and it fails. WHAT ELSE????

Correct, we don’t know the background of this family. All what I see is what she did to daughter is not correct and we really don't know much about the relationship between the mother and the teenager. but... but... but... I see one point is:

As what you say: "mother may tried everything" got me wondering how could a mother got her "rebellious" teenager to stand on a street corner with a sign at last after tried with her form of discipline many times in the past? I mean its normal that teenagers ignore you if you tried everything but obey you to stand a street corner and have the reporters of newspapers to take the picture of them? It doesn't make sense to me.

Tell you this, one of my friend regretted that he took advantage of positive reinforcement and let others do all the work so he don't have to learn anything. Now he has to work his ass off struggling to live because he don't have high school diploma, even worse he is deaf though. He wish that he had some sort of discipline so that he can act up for positive.

I can't answer to this because I didn't know anything about your friend's background how they discipline their children.

Nowdays, I have seen too many kids taking advantage of law that disallowed school to do anything if kids don't cooperate and became rebellous because they KNEW they can't be harm. Thats a BIG SHAME!!! This has to be stopped somehow!

I already responsed CyberRed's post in my thread "Self-esteem vs low self-esteem". I would suggest you to read my post there.

I suggest you look at the movie called "Lean on me". You will see HOW kids responds when a person (Barney Clark) came in replacing principal and change from scum highschool to beautiful high school. Know what he had on his hand? A baseball BAT, and bullhorn! He had to do negative reinforcement to turn everything around. It is BASED ON TRUE STORY!!! He did indeed almost threw out a student from school rooftop! I don't believe he will, but he did threaten. That boy ended up have HUGE respect for Barney Clark! You will understand better after watching this movie.

Yes, I would love to watch "Lean on me". I visited google to find out about them and will buy DVD this weekends and will let you know what I think of this. Morgan Freeman is my favorite actor. He act very good... Yes I read about Joe Clark's history in websites today. All what I read and got me understand. This is about drugs, volience, etc. This desciption about Joe Clark remind me of the movie "The Principal", we saw few months ago. Have you heard about this?

I have read what/How Joe Clark deal with volience and drugs students what a daughter don't have. It's not criminal what a daughter did. There is no comparison. A mother is supposing to build her daughter's development, not tear his esteem away.

I can tell that Joe Clark show students how strong he is - no wonder why students take advantage of teachers because of their weak disciplines. I find okay how he discipline the students IN school, not OUTSIDE...

Daughter would end up like Eric? I don't think so, because mother had done something,

I hope so

while Eric mom and school REFUSED to do anything because of legal issues.

because of legal issue? What do you mean? Can you care to explain what exact legal they are not allow to do anything?

The parents can do SOMETHING to help/support Eric if he cries for their attention/support.
As far as I know homeschooling is legal in America. What about that?
Private school - What about that?
Look for other and better public school - what about that?

 

[Maria]

Huh? Do you think so? I don´t.

I dont agree with using that kind of shame and humilation on a child to try & get good behavior because I can´t see how it can be a positive thing.

It came out a positive thing at the END.

Yes, it harm her health. Sure, it take her long time to forgive her mother but the problem is she will have no trust feeling toward her mother. How could she confide her feeling to her after what she did to her?

Health ? You don't know that for sure about takin' the daughter long time to forgive her mother. I believe that the daughter knows that her mother DID the right thing... just to HELP her get back to reality. Reality is not a joke. I mean this is REAL life. It ain't no fairytale like Princess and Prince livin' in a HUGE mansion. Gee

You forget quickly that a girl might lose her friends and schoolmates after learn from the newspaper... They may mock or bully her... It will lead her misbehavior more and more, also menal health, too. You know the kids could be cruel sometimes. How many of her classmates might have seen it & then continue to tease & ridicule her? ***goose pump***

That's normal. Because, that daughter has no respect for her mother/teacher in the first place. She should have listen to them in the first place and tried her best when she can - but, no she choses to HAVE HER OWN WAY. "Me, me, me" That's a Students will mock at her. That's her fault, not her mother.

Children suffer severe emotional or psychological maltreatment including terroristing, threats, humiliation, degradation & withdraw of affection & care, also mental health, too.
Is it okay to teach chlidren to being guilt, loss self-respect & shame? To me, public humiliation is not form of discipline..

The mother in that picture show her affectionate for her daughter, because she cares and wants to see her daughter's future bright with success.

I rather to use postive reinforcement on my children.




I would love to smack mother´s grin face.. Those picture make me with pain to know that a mother posing with proud smile because she claimed that she only doing what the best for her but daughter? Oh my dear... [\QUOTE]

Would love to smack the mother's grin face ? You can't. *chuckles* The mother have the rights to teach her daughter... that's TOUGH LOVE. You see the mother givin' her daughter a hug in that picture ? Well, the mother really cares about her daughter. She loves her daughter very much.

 

[jazzy]

Supposedly I drive past and see alike this then I would judge her/his parents, not kids. For one I don't agree with this mother. I won't do that to my child even if they did poor in school. There is a reason for it. Humilated child is worst thing, more alike child abuse to me. Years from now she will need a therapy to deal with this humilated and anger. I see her daughter's face, she is not smiling. Not good way to punish her.

 

[Momoftwo]

Hi

Wow, I never posted here because I was too busy with my life and so focused on God and bible in the other thread on this message board. I don't have time for reading other threads. Somehow, I found the time to read this thread.

The mother was so amazed because it showed me how much she loves her daughter very much and she really cares for her daughter's future. Her daughter unfortunately did not listen to her mother in the past. The mother struggled for a long time so she thought that she put her daughter to public and show the sign. In the long term, I'm sure that the daughter would say, "Mom, thank you so much and I realized what you have done to me was right." The mother wants her daughter to be on the right track because she will live here on the earth for many years and her mother wants her daughter to have enough money to support herself like food, clothes if she lives on her own - I mean if no husband to support her. It is VERY IMPORTANT for all children to OBEY their parents. Just like we must obey to God to what God wants us to be. God is the father and we are His children. God disciplines us. It is the same thing for the mother to discipline her daughter. Unfortunately, her daughter was wayyyyyyyyyyy toooooo stubborn so the mother HAD to do something like put her in the public. Yes, the mother was very brave. I praise her!!!! Because this is very very embarrassed for the daughter so this is how she LEARNED a big time!

It was NOT abused to the daughter at all. It's a "wake up".

I praise the mother for doing the right thing.

Momoftwo

 

[Maria]

Hi

Wow, I never posted here because I was too busy with my life and so focused on God and bible in the other thread on this message board. I don't have time for reading other threads. Somehow, I found the time to read this thread.

The mother was so amazed because it showed me how much she loves her daughter very much and she really cares for her daughter's future. Her daughter unfortunately did not listen to her mother in the past. The mother struggled for a long time so she thought that she put her daughter to public and show the sign. In the long term, I'm sure that the daughter would say, "Mom, thank you so much and I realized what you have done to me was right." The mother wants her daughter to be on the right track because she will live here on the earth for many years and her mother wants her daughter to have enough money to support herself like food, clothes if she lives on her own - I mean if no husband to support her. It is VERY IMPORTANT for all children to OBEY their parents. Just like we must obey to God to what God wants us to be. God is the father and we are His children. God disciplines us. It is the same thing for the mother to discipline her daughter. Unfortunately, her daughter was wayyyyyyyyyyy toooooo stubborn so the mother HAD to do something like put her in the public. Yes, the mother was very brave. I praise her!!!! Because this is very very embarrassed for the daughter so this is how she LEARNED a big time!

It was NOT abused to the daughter at all. It's a "wake up".

I praise the mother for doing the right thing.

Momoftwo

Amen ! I totally agree with you. Remember one of the 10 Commandments it says, "Obey thy mother and father" ?

 

[Momoftwo]

Amen ! I totally agree with you. Remember one of the 10 Commandments it says, "Obey thy mother and father" ?

Hi CyberRed

Yes, that's right!

Momoftwo

 

[Maria]

Supposedly I drive past and see alike this then I would judge her/his parents, not kids. For one I don't agree with this mother. I won't do that to my child even if they did poor in school. There is a reason for it. Humilated child is worst thing, more alike child abuse to me. Years from now she will need a therapy to deal with this humilated and anger. I see her daughter's face, she is not smiling. Not good way to punish her.

Not me. If, I drive by to see them standin' on street corner, I would read the sign first to explain why...and, then I will know it was the daughter, not mother. The daughter admitted it, she wrote "I don't do my homework & I act up in school, so my parents are preparin' me for my future".

There were 2 things she admitted her wrong doin' against her mother and school. Whose fault was that ? The daughter.
And, even the mother admitted that she did tried to help her over and over and over... what the mother gonna do ? Grab the belt or paddle to hit her ? I don't think that will do any good, because THAT is physical abuse by hand with somethin'. That's against the law. Soo, that mother decided to put her daughter on street corner with a sign... to humiliate her to make HER to realize that her mother meant it. It is all about her FUTURE the mother cares about. That daughter have only ONE mother to depend on and the daughter CAN'T depend on mother for the rest of her life, if there's no job for her... such as bein' lazy or whateva. What if, the mother die tomorrow - what would the daughter do? How would she support herself eh ? She needs some trainin' to learn HOW to write in English, do the right math, and so forth so she is able to work by knowin' HOW to do the job right to support herself.

 

[jazzy]

Not me. If, I drive by to see them standin' on street corner, I would read the sign first to explain why...and, then I will know it was the daughter, not mother. The daughter admitted it, she wrote "I don't do my homework & I act up in school, so my parents are preparin' me for my future".

There were 2 things she admitted her wrong doin' against her mother and school. Whose fault was that ? The daughter.
And, even the mother admitted that she did tried to help her over and over and over... what the mother gonna do ? Grab the belt or paddle to hit her ? I don't think that will do any good, because THAT is physical abuse by hand with somethin'. That's against the law. Soo, that mother decided to put her daughter on street corner with a sign... to humiliate her to make HER to realize that her mother meant it. It is all about her FUTURE the mother cares about. That daughter have only ONE mother to depend on and the daughter CAN'T depend on mother for the rest of her life, if there's no job for her... such as bein' lazy or whateva. What if, the mother die tomorrow - what would the daughter do? How would she support herself eh ? She needs some trainin' to learn HOW to write in English, do the right math, and so forth so she is able to work by knowin' HOW to do the job right to support herself.

It is your opinion not mine. I disagree with this, as u think it is tough love, not work this way. She will break down later in life as I have seen too many people already break. I already went thru this with my boys and I did very well without humliate them. I trained them good, it is mother who fail her daughter and think this stand on the corner will straight her up, not going to happen. should have started her , train her at very young, as I have with mine. now my boys never miss work and go to school without miss. I have seen too many parents let their kids slip away and miss school often and they ended up do same with their jobs, not showing enough responsible.

We do not know those people so we do not know for sure what reason or why she behave terrible. They may have problem at home, not at school.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Amen, Jazzy!!!!!!

 

[hazelkat]

My sister acts like brat all the time cussing at my mom and dad but there is no problem with my house. She is the only on who acts like that my lil bro and sis are very sweet and i dont know why my sis acts like that but she does