List of countries & US states that ban cell phone use while driving

[Jiro]

Exactly. We cannot prevent what is already occurring. It is already happening and there what has to be dealt with is what is. The only way to hold people accountable for what is already occuring is to have consequences in the form of punishment from laws.

Its like, you can tell your child not to throw a ball in the house, or they will break something. They catch you not looking, and they throw a ball in the house, it hits the candy dish, and knocks it to the floor. Well, you tried to prevent by telling them not to throw a ball in the house. They did anyway. You can't prevent the candy dish being broken, because it is already in pieces on the floor. What do you do? You punish them for breaking the rule, and for damaging the candy dish.

The law is designed to punish what is happening. The training is designed to lower (or to hopefully prevent) that from happening. That's why the professionals (firemen, doctors, racing drivers, Secret Service, etc) are trained and tested through rigorous evaluation... thus low occupational accidents.

so Jillio - you still have not answered my question on how can we try to lower the DWT cases with long-term strategy. Is your answer more laws?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

no. you are ONE of those people who like to create more laws to regulate the behaviors without focusing on fixing the root of the problem. That is also another way of refusing to do the responsible thing - by ignoring the root of the problem. There's something called COMMON SENSE. Making this law when we already have another law to punish the drivers is dumb - UNNECESSARY and REDUNDANT. We already have Reckless Driving, Vehicular Manslaughter, Careless Driving, Failure to observe traffic lanes, and several more?

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But what do you propose for long-term strategy in attempt to change this risky driving behavior? Do nothing, do less, or everything is fine the way it is?

Common sense?

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Use common sense is switch cell phone off before driving...

 

[Jiro]

Common sense?

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Use common sense is switch cell phone off before driving...

right. re-read my post #16.

 

[jillio]

it's already explained in my post #16. go back and re-read it. Liebling's post #1 supports it as well.

Went back and read post #16. I don't see where it addresses judicial discretion at all. Nor do I see it addressed in Leibling's post #1.

I am explaining to you that while there are laws on the book to cover vehicular accidents, adding DWT to a charge of vehicular homicide (as an example) will increase the amount of discretion as a result of extenuating circumstances. That in turn allows for more discretion and a longer sentence. If one has been texting, and causes a fatal accident, they can also be found guilty of failing to take reasonable care, or gross negligence, in operating a motor vehicle, both of which are extenuating circumstances that increase the sentence.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Interesting thing is.... German cars do not have those or hardly have those. That's why our cars have far more cupholders than German cars. I mean good lord... texting while driving on Autobahn at 90+ mph? :Ohno:

Huh? We do have cupholders in our German cars.

We do not like to eat and drink in our car... If we are hungry, then park somewhere to have our lunch.

 

[Jiro]

Huh? We do have cupholders in our German cars.

We do not like to eat and drink in our car... If we are hungry, then park somewhere to have our lunch.

yes but how many cupholders to you have? just mostly 1, right? We have many - and it even fits JUMBO-size coke!

 

[Jolie77]

Exactly. We cannot prevent what is already occurring. It is already happening and there what has to be dealt with is what is. The only way to hold people accountable for what is already occuring is to have consequences in the form of punishment from laws.

Its like, you can tell your child not to throw a ball in the house, or they will break something. They catch you not looking, and they throw a ball in the house, it hits the candy dish, and knocks it to the floor. Well, you tried to prevent by telling them not to throw a ball in the house. They did anyway. You can't prevent the candy dish being broken, because it is already in pieces on the floor. What do you do? You punish them for breaking the rule, and for damaging the candy dish.

I know what you mean by that, Jillio.

Even though we are told not to do this - Sometime the only way to learn it is in order for it to happen. Not that I want the accident because of the texting to happen at all, but I think in overall, If one does something that is breaking the law, the consequences shall be faced with.

What other suggestions should be on the board in order to prevent this? Perhaps awareness would help. It may not help too.

Even though the law is sensible, I also find it ironic that there are laws out there which are hardly enforceable.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

how does the law protect victims from distracted drivers?

*speechless *

 

[Jiro]

Went back and read post #16. I don't see where it addresses judicial discretion at all. Nor do I see it addressed in Leibling's post #1.

perhaps I should help you. in Liebling's post #1 - she provided a link to what states have DWT law or not. In my post #16 - I have provided comments by Senator and police officer.

I am explaining to you that while there are laws on the book to cover vehicular accidents, adding DWT to a charge of vehicular homicide (as an example) will increase the amount of discretion as a result of extenuating circumstances. That in turn allows for more discretion and a longer sentence. If one has been texting, and causes a fatal accident, they can also be found guilty of failing to reasonable care, or gross negligence in operating a motor vehicle, both of which are extenuating circumstances that increase the sentence.

do you have law case example of that?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

that doesn't answer my question. We already have Reckless Driving, Vehicular Manslaughter, Careless Driving, Failure to observe traffic lanes, and several more. Guess that's why many states do not adopt it. Guess they have better common sense than this.

If it´s really true as what you say here then banned their driving liescne and send them to driving school. This is a simple. :P

 

[Jiro]

I know what you mean by that, Jillio.

Even though we are told not to do this - Sometime the only way to learn it is in order for it to happen. Not that I want the accident because of the texting to happen at all, but I think in overall, If one does something that is breaking the law, the consequences shall be faced with.

What other suggestions should be on the board in order to prevent this? Perhaps awareness would help. It may not help too.

Even though the law is sensible, I also find it ironic that there are laws out there which are hardly enforceable.

Increased Awareness Programs do EFFECTIVELY help. problem is - it's used SPARSELY and it's poorly advertised to make effective impact (limited budget). For example -

DUI Awareness Program (Fake Crash Site)

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laws are fine but my VERY argument of this serious issue is that we are using WRONG APPROACH to fix this issue in hope of reducing the DWT accidents - by using more laws.

 

[Jiro]

If it´s really true as what you say here then banned their driving liescne and send them to driving school. This is a simple. :P

we already do.

that's why this DWT Law is dumb. If the driver is texting while driving, the chance is his car is swaying around the road. The police can pull him over and charge him with Reckless Driving or something else. that comes with DMV points + hefty fines. DWT is just a simple $100 fines.

 

[Jiro]

*speechless *

exactly! I'm How does this law protect the victims? They're already either seriously injured or dead. I'm asking you what more can we do beside ban ban ban?

 

[Foxrac]

Then you are one of those people that the law targets and intends to punish. You refuse to do the responsible thing and not text while driving. That is the very reason these laws have to be made. To punish the people that care only about their own immediate needs and put other people in danger as a result.

You have no rights to dictate at me or take my rights away, even are you expecting to spy on my life, none of your heck business about use cell phone in car.

You need leave people alone when use cell phone, if you don't like it then call your senate in YOUR state, not federal or other state, I don't give a damn about how law would be expect to change anyone, very little chance.

 

[Jolie77]

Increased Awareness Programs do EFFECTIVELY help. problem is - it's used SPARSELY and it's poorly advertised to make effective impact (limited budget). For example -

laws are fine but my VERY argument of this serious issue is that we are using WRONG APPROACH to fix this issue in hope of reducing the DWT accidents - by using more laws.

If it is used sparsely and it is poorly advertised due to the limited budget, Then why is it that there are more laws amended to it? What I mean is, Legislators, Senators, Lobbyists are more generated to add more laws when they could have also pool some resources in order to get more money to prompt increased awareness programs?

Perhaps, The more laws they add to it will be the reason for them to increase awareness of this? Just because one will not watch it doesn't mean that it could be implementable.

 

[Foxrac]

Why do people always say that if someone doesn't like the laws of their country, they should move to another? I've never understood why people always use that as a so-called argument as to why laws shouldn't be created.

There are no guarantees in life, but a law would protect more lives than it would if it did not exist in the first place.

Sorry, it wouldn't going be change, you have get deal with it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

yes but how many cupholders to you have? just mostly 1, right? We have many - and it even fits JUMBO-size coke!

There´re already 2 cupholders in my car. We don´t use it as drink but Garage Door Open Remote. .

We can have extra cupholders if we want to but we don´t want to. Like what I said before that we can park anywhere if we are hungry and thirsty or go to restroom during long journey.

 

[jillio]

I know what you mean by that, Jillio.

Even though we are told not to do this - Sometime the only way to learn it is in order for it to happen. Not that I want the accident because of the texting to happen at all, but I think in overall, If one does something that is breaking the law, the consequences shall be faced with.

What other suggestions should be on the board in order to prevent this? Perhaps awareness would help. It may not help too.

Even though the law is sensible, I also find it ironic that there are laws out there which are hardly enforceable.

Yes, I think awareness should be a big part of it. Just as we have an awareness campaign regarding seat belts. Unfortunately, there are some that are so focused on their personal freedom, that they will exercise their right to choose not to wear a seat belt and take the consequences if caught rather than do the responsible thing and buckle up. The same with texting, or IMO, talking on a cell phone while driving.

Unfortunately, the law is difficult to enforce, but not impossible. Chances are, at first, the only time it will be enforced is the same way the seat belt law was at first. They couldn't initially, pull you over for not wearing a seat belt, but if you were pulled over for another reason, or were in an accident, you could be cited for not wearing your seat belt. Now, at least in my state, they are beginning to enforce the law by citing only for not wearing a seat belt. They are particularly vigilent on holidays and periods of high traffic. I would imagine that the texting law would follow the same pattern of enforcement.

 

[Jiro]

There´re already 2 cupholders in my car. We don´t use it as drink but Garage Door Open Remote. .

We can have extra cupholders if we want to but we don´t want to. Like what I said before that we can park anywhere if we are hungry and thirsty or go to restroom during long journey.

there you go. you just proved my point. the driving style is based on paying attention on road partially because of autobahn, not cup cup cup cup.

 

[jillio]

You have no rights to dictate at me or take my rights away, even are you expecting to spy on my life, none of your heck business about use cell phone in car.

You need leave people alone when use cell phone, if you don't like it then call your senate in YOUR state, not federal or other state, I don't give a damn about how law would be expect to change anyone, very little chance.

I'm not taking your rights away. You have the right to choose not to obey the law if you want to. Then you also have the right to accept the consequences for doing so.

And as long as other drivers are distracted by cell phone use while they are driving, it most certainly is my business and my concern. They create a danger for other drivers, in which group I am included, as is my son.