Lies about CI's

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faire_jour said:
Then hearing aids would not be the appropriate technology for them.
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I was talking about CI and children who have not other issues, not even device issues.
 
FJ and Grendel,

I know there were some posts from the anti cochlear implant crowd predicting doom and gloom for girls with cochlear implants during the middle school years.

Those years were probably the toughest years not just for my deaf daughter but for my hearing daughter too. A lot of friendships end, cliques form, some are suddenly on the outside looking in, etc. Actually my deaf daughter weathered those years better than my hearing daughter as she does not lack self confidence, self esteem and and is very secure in herself. However, both weathered their respective storms and went on with thier lives. My deaf daughter I have spoken of, my hearing daughter excells in both academics and athletics, which s where she found her niche. She was a highly recruited athlete, and currently playing college ball in the honors program at her college.

My point, each kid is different, yes there will be some rough patches but if you continue to be the parents you are now, you will be there for your kids and will see them through.
Rick
 
Not sure I agree with that...there is a difference. Every deaf child needs language therapy, regardless of which language is being chosen to be used as the child's primary language. Ideally, if the child is using ASL, she will be exposed to English bilingually as much as possible. Using exclusively ASL only, especially during the early stages of language development, makes me very uneasy.

Language immersion applies to either ASL or spoken English. If I hadn't been immersed in spoken English, then I would not have learned to speak and write English at the level that I do. The key to immersion is making sure the child has access to the language as much as possible. Kids who are successful at being oral usually thrive from a home environment that makes the spoken language accessible to them in one way or another.

This is exactly why I do NOT always say that ASL is the ideal language for a deaf child of hearing parents. How can a deaf child be truly immerged in ASL if the parents haven't even learned it yet? Therapy simply provides tools, strategies, and practice. Immersion means the language is accessible most of the time, if not always.

My daughter, who is unilaterally deaf, does NOT like to sign even though my husband and I use Signed English at home. She is exposed to both Signed English and ASL often. But she rather use spoken English. And that's fine by me. For whatever reason, that's her preferred mode of communication. Each child is wired differently.
 
<<Using exclusively ASL only, especially during the early stages of language development, makes me very uneasy. >>

Why?
 
ok i had to read it carefully but was wondering how she felt about deaf people who raised their deaf and hearing kids in ASL only.
 
Because children needs to be exposed to both languages bilingually. The last time I checked, children have to learn English in school. Thus don't wait until they go to school to start teaching them English. Do it as early as possible. ASL is an avenue to learning a spoken language, sure. ASL is a language in and of itself, sure. But learning only ASL hurts the child in the long run. They need to be exposed to written print as much as possible. One program called "Shared Reading" (Laurent Clerc's Education Center) supports this philosophy. There's another program called "Deaf adults reading to deaf children."

http://www.deafchildren.org/resourc... Choosing a Bilingual-Bicultural Approach.pdf

aslthinktank.com/files/CumminsASL-Eng.pdf

Shared Reading Project
 
I've been teaching deaf kids for 11 years. Kids with deaf parents who only use ASL and very little exposure to English (in any form) often struggle to learn English because they are already behind when they start school. Kids with deaf parents in an ASL home environment that have been exposed to English (orally, written, whatever) tends to do much better. I often can tell which is which within a few days of teaching them.
 
I am not sure if a preschool or toddler can read written English yet (before they enter school) . Exposure is nice though.
 
However it is always easier to teach English when a deaf child has a rich language base such as ASL. Because I can draw from ASL to teach English, and that's always a plus. The kid has vocabulary!

A kid who comes to me with NO language base whatsoever...I take extra vitamins when I teach him. Because it's going to take everything I have to try to get him to catch up.
 
There are many stages of reading, including emergent reading (toddler), reading readiness (preschool), and finally early literacy (kinder to 1st grade)...so yep. They may not be reading the words, but they should be holding a book and telling a story based on what you've read (retelling) or based on prior background knowledge or use of pictures. :)
 
deafbajagal said:
There are many stages of reading, including emergent reading (toddler), reading readiness (preschool), and finally early literacy (kinder to 1st grade)...so yep. They may not be reading the words, but they should be holding a book and telling a story based on what you've read (retelling) or based on prior background knowledge or use of pictures. :)
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ok, that make sense. I used to read to our son too.
 
I can't speak for Rick, and we don't have a private speech therapist, but Li doesn't pronounce every word exactly right. She's at a school for the deaf and her language models include deaf teachers and students with a range of oral skills. At this point, our focus is on developing her language. At some later point we may decide to have a speech therapist help her refine her articulation.

There's a difference between acquiring spoken language and refining speech / oral skills.

Some of her signs aren't as precise as they should be. We currently have an instructor working with her to refine her expressive ASL. This extra teaching doesn't mean either language is being forced on her.
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And that is AWESOME!!!! Language is really what matters. You're doing it the right way. She may always have a "deaf voice" or have some articualtion issues... I do myself.(and I'm sure almost everyone on alldeaf who is dhh does) ..but I think the key is not to go all My Fair Lady about spoken language and articualtion.
is is where many CI specialists, surgeons, and CI research centers such as Med-El are at loss for words (no pun intended)...they can get the auditory processing going with the CI...which means the brain is doing what it is supposed to be doing and the CI is working fine. But the processing of speech perception is out of their control...speech and language therapy and intervention helps but there are times that the child's processing of speech perception and auditory processing just doesn't cross lines. There is no click. It doesn't mean the child has a hidden disability. It means the child isn't wired to accept the artificial device and for it to cross with the speech perception processing.
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Exactly. There really is a HUGE range of benifit with CI, and we really don't know why. Just like with hearing aids there is a huge range of benifit, from "almost hearing/mild hoh to severe hoh (without hearing aids)
 
Mountain Man said:
I'm glad for your success. But I daresay you're an exception. For the majority of deaf individuals, lip reading does not provide adequate access to communication to the point that some people call it "lip guessing". Studies show that even the best lip readers are only about 30% accurate, though they can use context to fill in the gaps (and those are the best; others lipread with much less accuracy). Of course these studies are based on averages meaning that there will always be outliers like yourself. But in general, lip reading is inadequate, and not everybody can learn to do it, and certainly not with the ease that they could learn a language that they have a natural access to.
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All I'll say at the moment that it was nice of you to say that you were glad for my success and leave it at that. Thanks!
 
rick48 said:
bottom line, she does not matter as she plays no role in my child's life and nothing that she says in her daily rants can change the fact that my wife and i, with much credit to my wife, raised her to be the person she is today. Remember that, when you think about your daughter as she is what matters most.
Rick
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HHIssues said:
Are you implying you were hearing before? Unless you meant simply getting some auditory input with your hearing aids?
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I never was hearing. Are you implying that you could not hear anything with your hearing aids before you got your implant? If I understood her daughter had more hearing than me and you (her daughter had moderate hearing loss at least in one ear). So yes I think she hearing from her aids but could not sense out of it until she had her implant
 
rick48 said:
FJ and Grendel,

I know there were some posts from the anti cochlear implant crowd predicting doom and gloom for girls with cochlear implants during the middle school years.

Those years were probably the toughest years not just for my deaf daughter but for my hearing daughter too. A lot of friendships end, cliques form, some are suddenly on the outside looking in, etc. Actually my deaf daughter weathered those years better than my hearing daughter as she does not lack self confidence, self esteem and and is very secure in herself. However, both weathered their respective storms and went on with thier lives. My deaf daughter I have spoken of, my hearing daughter excells in both academics and athletics, which s where she found her niche. She was a highly recruited athlete, and currently playing college ball in the honors program at her college.

My point, each kid is different, yes there will be some rough patches but if you continue to be the parents you are now, you will be there for your kids and will see them through.
Rick
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Not only do they seem to be wonderful, accomplished young people, but your daughters are very lucky to have had such amazing guides as you and your wife, and to have been brought up in the environment you created to foster their growth and achievement.
 
faire_jour said:
Why is spoken English not a "natural language"?
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English isn't Deaf children natural language since they can't hear and have to be taught. That the point of speech therapy, AVT, etc. If English was Deaf children natural language then they shouldn't need all that help.

Also hearing baby learn to hear and listen while they still inside their mother tummy (Saw programme about it on TV), hearing baby would know which voice is their mother before they are born and their father too if he is involved enough.

Deaf babies use their hands and pointing naturally so that why sign language is their natural language, and they don't need be taught unless they are in hearing family doesn't know sign (or don't want sign for whatever the reason). Deaf children with Deaf parents pick up sign language like hearing children with hearing parents.
 
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